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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on January 14, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
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Make no mistake. When the jug-eared muslim and his socialist brethern look at Haiti today, they don't see a demolished country filled with catastrophically impoverished people. They see potential democrat voters. DUmmies stumble onto this obvious truth:
derby378 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:03 PM
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Could the 2010 quake be the beginning of the end for Haiti?
Haiti has long been a political football as far as America is concerned. The Marines occupied Haiti for some 20 years around the time of World War I. The nation has endured the brutal dictatorship of the Duvaliers and the racist repression of Trujillo in the neighboring Dominican Republic. Government since the Devaliers were exiled has been rather shaky, with American presidents playing both sides of the field.
But could the earthquake be the last straw for a nation that has prided itself on its independence and its status as a slave colony that overthrew its own masters? Deforestation has contributed to massive mudslides, the quality of life in Haiti has been bleak before the earthquake, and government infrastructure to administer the interior is practically nonexistent.
Will Haiti have no choice but to go the route of Puerto Rico? Discuss.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7468661
If the Obamessiah somehow mustered the political power, he would jump at the chance to make D.C., Puerto Rico, and, yes, Haiti, new states. That would make 53. I'm not sure where he is planning to get the other four.
DUmmy LakeSamishnumbers demonstrates is DUmp-worth stupidity:
LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:13 PM
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2. I think that the only thing that Haiti might have to offer the world is...
Tourism! Although I realize that this earth quake and the following after shocks play a detrimental part in that, they still have beautiful weather down there. Haiti really has nothing else to offer the world as far as productivity goes.
DUmmy XemaSab brags about having friends who have jobs:
XemaSab (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:15 PM
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3. My friends are all going to the DR
Haiti was just not stable.
DUmmy Matariki proves once again that the word "green", used in connection with the economy or energy, is synonymous with "bogus".
Matariki (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:38 PM
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12. Or the beginning of the beginning.
One can hope.
I'd love to see a new GREEN infrastructure that uses all that free sunlight they have down there. And trees. Replant the trees
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And I hate to see all those plastic bags. They should be using jute.
derby378 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:48 PM
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15. I second the trees
They'll have to be administered by the government as preserves for a while until they gain some staying power, but Haitian soil needs trees badly.
In most cases, including kestrelnumbers, the word "renewable" is the same as "green":
kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:44 PM
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13. I'd prefer to think it will give a major infusion of hope for transformation
what with all the infrastructure to be rebuilt. We could help them leapfrog right past fossil fuel dependence and right into renewable if we tried.
The world needs to make a major, concerted effort to lift them up out of the deep hole they are in. Picture what a solar oven for every home could do. Picture a Haitian Maathari Wangai. Picture rainwater cisterns for evey household. Picture schools for ALL the children, and hospitals for all the sick.
He really did say "a solar oven for every home"! Well, at least they would avoid being blown up. Somehow he sounds like John Lennon.
lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:44 PM
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14. I understand the island is in need of charcoal for cooking..
and small one-burner propane cylinder stoves for cooking.
Ka-boom!
DUmmy smalll starts to see the dim outline of the real democrat interest in Haiti, but can hardly believe his eyes:
smalll (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:51 PM
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16. Or the beginning of the beginning. But I don't see "the route of Puerto Rico" here exactly --
Because I can't see the U.S. being willing to accept such a flawed state into itself. Don't forget, Puerto Ricans are American citizens. They all have the right to hop a plane and move here. They don't all do that.
DUmmy Skink affirms that yes, indeed, that's what the democrats have in mind:
Skink (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 11:40 PM
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17. If it is totally destroyed I think Miami is going to have to brace for the refugees.
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Oh damn.
derby378 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 10:03 PM
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Could the 2010 quake be the beginning of the end for Haiti?
unrelenting blah-blah-blah
Will Haiti have no choice but to go the route of Puerto Rico? Discuss.
That damn "discuss" word again.
It's like the Ascot primitive is a teacher, and everybody else, sitting at his feet, are students.
Even obscure unterprimitiven can be ostentatious at times.
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Will Haiti have no choice but to go the route of Puerto Rico? Discuss
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Next he'll be getting verklempt.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Obamarama/Debt%20Star/myers.jpg)
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How about we send them all to Venezuela and Cuba, paradises on earth, and then make Haiti an international no-go zone and "Leftist Preserve" surrounded by minefields.
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Discussing is the same as doing to the primitives.
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Discussing is the same as doing to the primitives.
That's the point I'm subliminally trying to make much of the time, with my headlines about the primitives discussing something.
Please notice there's never a headline about the primitives doing something.
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That's the point I'm subliminally trying to make much of the time, with my headlines about the primitives discussing something.
Please notice there's never a headline about the primitives doing something.
The silent thread.
That says it all.
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The silent thread.
That says it all.
. . . er, what?
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. . . er, what?
The DUers had a silent thread for Haiti. Didn't raise a dime, of course, just posts with no words.
It proves they "care" like wearing a yellow ribbon, doesn't do anything for the people who need help but it shows their leftist credentials.
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The DUers had a silent thread for Haiti. Didn't raise a dime, of course, just posts with no words.
It proves they "care" like wearing a yellow ribbon, doesn't do anything for the people who need help but it shows their leftist credentials.
I knew that. It was my attenpt at sarcasm.
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I agree with the DUmmies that Haiti needs more trees, but they need to be fruit bearing trees. I think one of the greatest things we could help Haiti with is to help it to become self providing and self reliant. If they could feed themselves on a consistent basis, the poverty might not be so crushing. They import 80% of their rice, which makes them very vulnerable to price fluctuations. While it is vital in the short term to provide them with food, one of the greatest things we could do right now, imo, would be to help them really establish a self providing agricultural system.
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I agree with the DUmmies that Haiti needs more trees, but they need to be fruit bearing trees. I think one of the greatest things we could help Haiti with is to help it to become self providing and self reliant. If they could feed themselves on a consistent basis, the poverty might not be so crushing. They import 80% of their rice, which makes them very vulnerable to price fluctuations. While it is vital in the short term to provide them with food, one of the greatest things we could do right now, imo, would be to help them really establish a self providing agricultural system.
Trees? while I don't deny that Haiti needs and should get "help", when it's all said and done it will still be a stinking sh*thole.
Good article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/6992162/Haiti-enslaved-by-its-dark-history.html
and a response to it:
So a massively overpopulated "developing"? nation has suffered a disaster - now somehow it's going to become the west's fault for not stepping in with help 3 milliseconds after the disaster. Half the world has put immediate aid relief packages into operation, still, you see TV broadcasts of Haitians spouting nonsense like "no one is helping us" and "why did they let it happen?". They? The west are now controllers of earthquakes? I suppose if you follow voodoo such things would seem possible... Typical begging bowl victim complexes from people who have manufactured their own misery. Haiti was already a lost cause, misery caused by localised human overpopulation and the refusal to accept rule of law.
One could cry for the children - it's not their fault - but then, nor is it ours
Planting trees ain't gonna help.
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So a massively overpopulated "developing"? nation has suffered a disaster - now somehow it's going to become the west's fault for not stepping in with help 3 milliseconds after the disaster. Half the world has put immediate aid relief packages into operation, still, you see TV broadcasts of Haitians spouting nonsense like "no one is helping us" and "why did they let it happen?". They? The west are now controllers of earthquakes? I suppose if you follow voodoo such things would seem possible... Typical begging bowl victim complexes from people who have manufactured their own misery. Haiti was already a lost cause, misery caused by localised human overpopulation and the refusal to accept rule of law.
One could cry for the children - it's not their fault - but then, nor is it ours
Sound familiar folks........
One word........."Katrina"
doc
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Trees? while I don't deny that Haiti needs and should get "help", when it's all said and done it will still be a stinking sh*thole.
Good article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/6992162/Haiti-enslaved-by-its-dark-history.html
and a response to it:
Planting trees ain't gonna help.
I suppose that on one hand, we cannot help those who refuse to help themselves. However, and this is probably me wearing the rosy glasses, I would hope that there are Haitians who are willing to step up and say, If you give us the tools, we will learn to use them.
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I suppose that on one hand, we cannot help those who refuse to help themselves. However, and this is probably me wearing the rosy glasses, I would hope that there are Haitians who are willing to step up and say, If you give us the tools, we will learn to use them.
I won't deny it would be nice to help them "rise up" but as Rush was pointing out this morning, they've had years, and years of charitable organizations "helping" them with no positive results.
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The democrats goal for the USA is to turn us into Haiti.
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Way back in the 1988 presidential campaign, Governor DUkakis had the answer for Haiti. It was the advice he famously gave Iowa farmers who were being hurt by low corn prices. We need to help them plant Belgian endive. That will be as effective as anything else.