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Current Events => Terrorism In the US and Around the World => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on January 05, 2010, 09:02:29 AM
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Security for the federal trial of self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four accused cohorts will run $200 million a year, sources told the Daily News.
The NYPD's newly revised projection is almost triple the estimate of $75 million in November, after Attorney General Eric Holder announced he would move the prisoners from Guantanamo to Manhattan for trial.
The legal process is expected to play out over more than a year.
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[NY Sen. Chuck] Schumer warned the security cost of the trials would be in the "hundreds of millions," but he declined to give an exact figure.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/05/2010-01-05_200m_a_year_for_terror_trial_here.html
BUT WAIT! There's more!
What about the actual trial procedures themselves?
Remember, Zarchais Moussaoui? Well, that little bag of ass just had his appeal come back...and it is BARELY considered good news:
The appellate court notes that Moussaoui claims it was error for the trial judge to interfere with his unqualified right to represent himself; “to have personal, pretrial access to classified, exculpatory evidenceâ€; and to be able to summon witnesses like co-conspirator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for trial testimony. The Fourth Circuit acknowledges that all these claims have merit, but the court finds that Moussaoui, by pleading guilty, waived any claim of prejudice. Opinion at pp. 24-28. Even more alarming, the Fourth Circuit concedes that its waiver rationale is inconsistent with a decision by the Ninth Circuit on which Moussaoui relies — i.e., if the Fourth Circuit had followed the Ninth Circuit, there’s a good chance it would have had to agree that, regardless of the guilty plea, Moussaoui’s convictions should be reversed.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2UxNzE4YjJjODJhYmIyZDFjZmU2NTdmMzk5YTQyZTc=
Capt Ed explains:
The Moussaoui case made clear that the courts would treat terrorists appearing before them with the same considerations as any other criminal defendant. That will either force the government to give terrorists access to classified material used to capture them and find evidence of their terrorism, including witnesses and agents involved, or face having the cases tossed. Moussaoui wound up doing life in prison not because he was destined to do so in an American court trial, but because he wanted to be as disruptive as possible.
Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed want to do the same thing? Hardly. KSM was captured in Pakistan and handed over to US authorities. His attorneys will likely want to explore in great detail the relationship between the ISI and US intel and military personnel, get names on the record, and demand the testimony of his captors to explain in great detail the circumstances of his capture and his extradition. According to this opinion, KSM may be entitled to all of that — and if the US doesn’t give it to him, the charges could be dismissed.
The alternative would be to change the laws in the civil system to allow secret evidence to be presented without the defendant challenging its provenance, or secret testimony to be proferred without the defendant able to challenge the witnesses openly in court. But that would mean that the rest of us would have to live under those rules as well.
Of course, advocates of the civil-system approach will argue, a dismissal won’t mean that the Obama administration will let KSM and his cohorts walk. They will just transfer them to military detention again. But that’s an argument for never having transferred them out of the military system at all, which Congress twice authorized to adjudicate KSM’s case and those of others captured outside the US during the war.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/05/moussaoui-conviction-upheld-but/
This president is dangerously incompetent.
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I hope that the American people see that and vote him out the next elelction
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I hope that the American people see that and vote him out the next elelction
I hope the country is together enough to hold a presidential election in 2012...
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I hope the country is together enough to hold a presidential election in 2012...
I wonder if what happened in Philadelphia with the Black Panthers will be repeated elsewhere if it looks like Lord Zero may lose.
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The worst that could happen?
How about a live shot of KSM standing on the court house steps in NYC after he's been acquitted with a large group of his fellow terrorists chanting Allah Akbar right before they go to the new Mosque across the street from ground zero where they pray for the souls of the martyrs on 9/11.
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I did hear on one of the channels doing New Year's Eve broadcasting from Time's Square, that "someone" in the NYPD said there is no way they have enough manpower for the KSM trial.....
That's certainly comforting to hear.... :(
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I did hear on one of the channels doing New Year's Eve broadcasting from Time's Square, that "someone" in the NYPD said there is no way they have enough manpower for the KSM trial.....
That's certainly comforting to hear.... :(
If I was the city of NYC...I'd do like the police do when a cop killer is on trial. Nothing but a wall of blue in the seats in the gallery.
Except in this case one side of the courtroom is filled by FDNY and the other side with NYPD...for as long as the trial takes.
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The alternative would be to change the laws in the civil system to allow secret evidence to be presented without the defendant challenging its provenance, or secret testimony to be proferred without the defendant able to challenge the witnesses openly in court. But that would mean that the rest of us would have to live under those rules as well.
Johnny puts on his tinfoil CAT hat and walla....I see it clearly now.....Obama sends all us evil rich conservatives to the camps on charges from "secret" information.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/05/2010-01-05_200m_a_year_for_terror_trial_here.html
BUT WAIT! There's more!
What about the actual trial procedures themselves?
Remember, Zarchais Moussaoui? Well, that little bag of ass just had his appeal come back...and it is BARELY considered good news:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2UxNzE4YjJjODJhYmIyZDFjZmU2NTdmMzk5YTQyZTc=
Capt Ed explains:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/05/moussaoui-conviction-upheld-but/
This president is dangerously incompetent.
I found this comment on one of the links you sent, the one on Hot Air----
Has anyone given thought to the fact that Obama may very well be a REAL Manchurian Candidate?
Think about it.
The movie came out not long after he was born. (The original) It was popular, certainly could have gotten some thinkers to thinking.
His mammy was a communist, as was the sperm donor/father.
Stanley Ann’s parents were communists, and active.
We know that Obama lived in Indonesia with mom and new dad, Soetoro, a communist and possibly a Muslim
Until he left Hawaii, Obama was nurtured and mentored by communist Frank Marshall Davis.
As American Thinker reminds us, Obama’s education was paid for by Khalid al-Mansour. Radical Muslims are basically communists, in practice, if not avowed ideology.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/percy_sutton_dies_his_obama_re.html
Now think about it. Obama is Harvard educated. (or so they say) SOB could have went to work anywhere and made big bucks. Especially with his pumped up resume.
So why did he end up in that crap hole of a place, Chicago? And even better, hooking up with ACORN?
Well, remember Frank Marshall Davis? Before he was run off, to Hawaii, he called Chicago home.
From there (and most likely earlier) Obama was then taken under the wing of everyone’s favorite domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and his cop killing felon wife.
Everything about this guy points to a lifetime of being taught to hate America with a white hot passion.
Now, look at how he is acting in office. Absolutely everything he is doing is counterintuitive to someone who wants America to succeed.
Then look who the AG is, Eric Holder, a guy who worked to free a bunch of terrorists under Clinton, and threw out a conviction of the Black Panther terrorists.
Then of course, you have the entire way Obama is acting over the terror attacks, from Ft Dix, to Ft Hood, to the Underbomber.
Only someone purposely tying to destroy America would act like Obama and his thug organization.
No one, not even a democrat is THAT incompetent.
We MUST find a way to remove this guy from office, and we must do it now. If not we will see this nation destroyed completely. Financially, and physically.
gary4205 on January 5, 2010
Off I go to reread the book again, this time with Obama in mind.
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Obambi is not the catspaw of some foreign government.
He's a red-diaper community organizer who believes every scrap of anti-American propaganda fed to him and the propaganda that inflates his already enormous ego.
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Obambi is not the catspaw of some foreign government.
He doesn't intend to be one, but that most definitely doesn't mean they won't use him as one.