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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on January 03, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
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Oh my.
walldude (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:48 PM
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Never tell me the odds.
"Sir, the odds of successfully attacking an Imperial Star Destroyer head on are 783 to 1!" "NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS"
Ok so how much danger are we really in. We are spending billions of dollars. We are destroying countless lives. We are killing children in the name of our "safety". We are fighting the "terrorists" over there because we are in danger over here.
Putting aside the fact that 9/11 was avoidable, that we knew it was coming and the Bush administration chose to ignore the PDB that explained that terrorists wanted to hijack an airplane and crash it into the WTC, and putting aside the fact that judging from the "Christmas attack" that the terrorists are total dolts and morons, kind of like our religious nuts, just what are the odds of me getting killed by a terrorist?
These numbers were compiled from data at the CDC and the National Safety council and are a few years old...
So here are your "odds" of dying in a lifetime by:
1 in 55,928 of death by lightening
1 in 20,605 in your clothes igniting
1 in 10,455 of dying in your bathtub
1 in 10,010 by falling from a ladder or scaffolding
1 in 9,396 due to excessive heat
1 in 8,389 due to excessive cold
1 in 7,972 in a drowning accident
1 in 6,842 in a railway accident.
1 in 81 in an auto accident
1 in 197 of dying in a homicide
1 in 299 of dying in an assault from a firearm
1 in 5,330 of dying in an assault by hanging or strangulation
Now, what are you odds of dying from a terrorist attack?
1 in 88,000 of a terrorist attack overall.
1 in 1,500,00 of a terrorist-caused shopping mall disaster assuming one such incident a week and you shop two hours a week
1 in 55,000,000 in a terrorist-caused plane disaster assuming one such incident a month and you fly once a month ( 1 )
Yes, keep telling me how it's necessary to fight them over there. Keep telling me I need to be worried about a terrorist who in his suicide bombing attempt FORGOT THE ****ING DETONATOR. Keep telling me about those horrible Taliban children who are.. what? Waiting outside my door to shoot me? Gimme a ****ing break. Are we so afraid of our own shadows that we will kill children who are being armed because their country is under occupation?
Until we stop lying to ourselves, until we admit that terrorists aren't attacking us because we are Democratic and free, but because we are invading their lands, trying to steal their resources, and taking sides in land battles that have nothing to do with national security and everything to do with mythological religious wars, we will never be free from terrorism.
As it stands you have a better chance of being struck by ****ing lightening than you do being killed by a terrorist.
tekisui (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:50 PM
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1. That is another reason why these attempts should be dealt with as criminal activities and not as acts of war.
NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:52 PM
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3. It's the psychological effect.
People do not get frightened while driving despite the shear awesome physics of an auto accident. They feel in control.
Terrorism on the other hand makes people feel not in control, and that is what scares people.
walldude (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:00 PM
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4. Yeah but that doesn't apply to getting hit by lightening..no control there, but we aren't spending billions trying to change the weather. (although there are probably some conspiracists who will tell you different )
This is my point. This is fear without a basis in reality. It's a game played by politicians and the military industrial complex to keep us stupid and cowering. And judging from that poll saying 60% of the people want to torture someone for information even though it's well known that torture is the least effective way to get reliable information, things aren't getting any better.
NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:15 PM
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8. Lightning is the "it won't happen to me" game
I understand your point clearly. It's a rational approach the very low risk of terrorism.
The problem is that people generally are not rational despite our thoughts to the contrary.
Correction: primitives are not rational despite their thoughts to the contrary.
hfojvt (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:00 PM
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5. lightn up, Francis
you know that people are not rational.
The DC sniper was less dangerous than typical DC traffic, but the first one made people stay home in fear and the second one doesn't. Go figure.
walldude (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:05 PM
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7. Then they better get rational...
And I was nice and light on a Sunday.. till I came to DU. As usual.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:17 PM
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9. Thank you.
iamjoy (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:34 PM
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10. Let's Have A War on Lightning!
It would make only slightly less sense than a war on terror, eh?
That Is Quite Enough (982 posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:35 PM
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11. No kidding. Thanks for the statistics.
panader0 (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:54 PM
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12. Okay, I've fallen from ladders and from scaffolding
I've very nearly drowned a few times (in big surf). One or two car wrecks. Does this mean I'm going to live to a ripe old age?
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Terrorists only have to be successful once to kill you.
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Until we stop lying to ourselves, until we admit that terrorists aren't attacking us because we are Democratic and free, but because we are invading their lands, trying to steal their resources, and taking sides in land battles that have nothing to do with national security and everything to do with mythological religious wars, we will never be free from terrorism.
You are an idiot that willfully refuses to listen to the words and writings of the islamists because it gets in the way of your "give me all the money" mindset you have.
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Until we stop lying to ourselves, until we admit that terrorists aren't attacking us because we are Democratic and free, but because we are invading their lands, trying to steal their resources, and taking sides in land battles that have nothing to do with national security and everything to do with mythological religious wars, we will never be free from terrorism.
Wrong, DUmmy. They are following the dictates of their murderous cult, which was invented by their "prophet" hundreds of years ago to justify screwing little girls.
How about that! In just once sentence, an explanation of terrorism, and the historical origin of islam!
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We are spending billions of dollars. We are destroying countless lives. We are killing children in the name of our "safety".
I thought he was talking about welfare!
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I thought he was talking about welfare!
Good one, sir.
Awesome.
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We are spending billions of dollars. We are destroying countless lives. We are killing unborn children in the name of our convenience.
I thought he was talking about welfare!
I fixed the quote, but it needs a little explanation. Countless lives have been destroyed by the liberal policies of welfare and education. The second part needs no explanation.
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Speaking odds...
I wonder if walldude can figure these odds out for me.
If you visit the DUmp what are the odds of:
1) Encountering lunacy?
2) Encountering anti-Americanism?
3) Encountering someone who falsely claims to have a genius level IQ?
4) Encountering someone who thinks believing in God is stupid but believing in spirit guides, fairies, woodland elves, and ghost chickens is perfectly normal?
5) Encountering someone who calls a terrorist who wants to subjugate everyone a "freedom fighter?"
6) Encountering racism?
7) Encountering someone who is too stupid to realize just how stupid he/she/it is?
8) Encountering someone who claims to be compassionate and tolerant while dancing on someone's grave and calling for someone else to be banned from the site for not walking in lockstep?
9) Encountering someone who condemns the military who is risking life and limb to protect him/her/it while cheering for terrorists who would like nothing more than to cut the head off of him/her/it?
10) Encountering someone who thinks executing a cold-blooded killer is horrific but ripping an innocent unborn baby to shreds is perfectly fine?
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Speaking odds...
I wonder if walldude can figure these odds out for me.
If you visit the DUmp what are the odds of:
1) Encountering lunacy?
2) Encountering anti-Americanism?
3) Encountering someone who falsely claims to have a genius level IQ?
4) Encountering someone who thinks believing in God is stupid but believing in spirit guides, fairies, woodland elves, and ghost chickens is perfectly normal?
5) Encountering someone who calls a terrorist who wants to subjugate everyone a "freedom fighter?"
6) Encountering racism?
7) Encountering someone who is too stupid to realize just how stupid he/she/it is?
8) Encountering someone who claims to be compassionate and tolerant while dancing on someone's grave and calling for someone else to be banned from the site for not walking in lockstep?
9) Encountering someone who condemns the military who is risking life and limb to protect him/her/it while cheering for terrorists who would like nothing more than to cut the head off of him/her/it?
10) Encountering someone who thinks executing a cold-blooded killer is horrific but ripping an innocent unborn baby to shreds is perfectly fine?
:clap:
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I have a solution that should appease our enemies. Every time they have a hankering to kill one of us, we send them a top tier DUmmy to have their way with. That should keep them off our backs for a little while at least.