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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: franksolich on January 03, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
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Not counting the mom-and-pop operations; the big chains.
I grew up with Safeway, IGA, and Jack 'n Jill, all of which seemed to have vanished from both the prairies and the Sandhills of Nebraska a long time ago.
Around here, on the eastern slope of the Sandhills, the major grocery distributor is Affiliated Foods, but the owners of the individual stores name their stores anything they wish to name them.
The "big names" in Nebraska used to be Safeway and Hinky-Dinky. Hinky-Dinky no longer exists, and Safeway has but one solitary store in the state, in Scottsbluff, clear over near the border with Wyoming.
In Omaha and Lincoln, the "big names" are Hy-Vee, Baker's, Russ's, and Food4Less; there may still be some Albertson's around, but I dunno.
I suppose Hy-Vee is generally the "biggest" chain in Nebraska, given the number of locations.
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We have one Kroger, 2 Walmarts, and 1 Neiman's County Market/Cub Foods. The last is an illinois onlly chain I think.
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There used to be a lot of Piggy Wiggly stores here. There may still be one or two in the area, but I only saw them (recently) when I was in North Carolina.
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There is only one really close (7 miles) and that is a Hannaford unless I count a Kmart that has some food items too.
A&P and Grand Union were the two locals when I was growing up.
How many remember the Ann Page (I think) store brand from the A&P?
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We have one Kroger, 2 Walmarts, and 1 Neiman's County Market/Cub Foods. The last is an illinois onlly chain I think.
County Market is in WI and MN, too. Cub Foods is definitely in MN. I've never seen a combination of them.
Here, we have Kroger, Target, Walmart, & Albertsons. There used to be Safeway, Piggly Wiggly, and Tom Thumb grocery stores.
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There is only one really close (7 miles) and that is a Hannaford unless I count a Kmart that has some food items too.
A&P and Grand Union were the two locals when I was growing up.
How many remember the Ann Page (I think) store brand from the A&P?
Oh man.
I forgot all about A & P, and A & P in its time was a giant.
Does it still exist?
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Stop N Shop, Big Y, Price Chopper, BJs, Sam's Club, Walmart super store, Trader Joe's, and Whole Foods.
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Winn-Dixie and Publix here in Florida. The Winn-Dixie employees are rude little punks, but W/D has good sale prices and the best beef. Publix has good prices too and their employees are the nicest. When shopping there they always come up and ask you if you need help finding something. That little touch means the difference.
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Kroger and Walmart in my area.....Albertson's, Tom Thumb, and one of those Whole Foods-type markets (I forget the name) if I want to travel a ways.
I grew up shopping at A&P and Safeway in Wynnewood Shopping Village, and Minyard's - a DFW family-owned chain.
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The Cub Foods store has had signs up saying they are changing to County Market for over a year, and they carry County Market and Cub Foods brand varieties.
http://www.freshtraditions.com/Default.aspx
A&P and Grand Union were the two locals when I was growing up.
How many remember the Ann Page (I think) store brand from the A&P?
Didn't they also have "8 O'clock" coffee?
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Oh man.
I forgot all about A & P, and A & P in its time was a giant.
Does it still exist?
I didn`t think so but in the DUmpster thread GOBUCKS said they still do so googled it and he is correct.
Was just a kid but I believe they used to give out the S&P green stamps based on dollars purchased.
Since we were on the farm here and didn`t need to purchase much in the way of food the booklets never got very filled so as to redeem for merchandise.
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The Cub Foods store has had signs up saying they are changing to County Market for over a year, and they carry County Market and Cub Foods brand varieties.
http://www.freshtraditions.com/Default.aspx
Didn't they also have "8 O'clock" coffee?
Yep they sure did. :)
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Safeway, Lucky's, Costco, Trader Joes, Pak n Save, Savemart, Whole Foods, and PW's.
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Walmart sells 8 O'Clock Coffee (I think).
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The Cub Foods store has had signs up saying they are changing to County Market for over a year, and they carry County Market and Cub Foods brand varieties.
http://www.freshtraditions.com/Default.aspx
Didn't they also have "8 O'clock" coffee?
Well, that explains it. I've been gone from the Northlands for almost two years (March 8th)
Walmart, Albertson's & Kroger all sell 8 O'clock coffee around here. Lately, I've been buying whole bean coffee from Sam's Club and grinding it myself. Dallas area has a huge selection of grocery store chains. We're somewhat limited here in Texomaland.
Walmart sells 8 O'Clock Coffee (I think).
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Here in Des Moines its just HyVee. and a few Wallmarts. HyVee has a near complete monopoly.
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You want to see something sad, go to St. Louis and see what the unions have done to the grocery industry there. Big Union has made grocery shopping a Large Chore in Liberalland.
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The stores in my immediate area are Kroger, Publix, Harris Teeter, and Wal Mart. There's also a Wild Oats off the next interstate exit if that's your thing.
Depending on what part of town you're in, you can go shopping at Aldi's, Albertsons, WinnDixie, and Dollar General.
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None .... One Wal Mart next town over thank you.
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Got an IGA within walking distance (less than 1/2 a mile) - A Woolworths at the local mini-mall (about 2 miles) , Kmart , Coles and Woolworths at the next most distant mall (say 5 miles) and two hardware and trade supplies stores stores in the adjacent light industrial area to that mall.
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Got an IGA within walking distance (less than 1/2 a mile) - A Woolworths at the local mini-mall (about 2 miles) , Kmart , Coles and Woolworths at the next most distant mall (say 5 miles) and two hardware and trade supplies stores stores in the adjacent light industrial area to that mall.
Wow, that freaked me out for minute. I was reading your post and saw Woolworth's and wondered what year you were posting from. Woolworths were a big 5 and dime chain many years ago in the US. Totally different from the UK and Aussie version.
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Wow, that freaked me out for minute. I was reading your post and saw Woolworth's and wondered what year you were posting from. Woolworths were a big 5 and dime chain many years ago in the US. Totally different from the UK and Aussie version.
Do you sir by any chance remember the Ben Franklin five-and-dime stores?
I doubt they still exist, but at one time they were pretty big.
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Do you sir by any chance remember the Ben Franklin five-and-dime stores?
I doubt they still exist, but at one time they were pretty big.
We had a Ben Franklin downtown but that was gone sometime in the early 70's. It left about the time that Kresge's and Montgomery Ward left town.
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We had a Ben Franklin downtown but that was gone sometime in the early 70's. It left about the time that Kresge's and Montgomery Ward left town.
Well, I'll be.
Ben Franklin five-and-dimes still exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_and_dime#North_America
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Well, I'll be.
Ben Franklin five-and-dimes still exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_and_dime#North_America
Some may be close to you.
http://www.benfranklinstores.com/storeaddress.asp?State=NE
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Fry's, Safeway, Bashas, AJ's, Trader Joe's, Walmart Neighborhood Market, Sprouts
I hit up Fry's and Trader Joe's mostly.
There's a Walmart Neighborhood Market really close to me so I'll stop in when I need an item or two.
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DFW grocery biz used to be dominated by a local company called Minyards. They owned Minyards, Sak n Save and Carnival stores all over the place. Recently this family owned business sold out to Affiliated I think. Now there are just a few Minyards around. The Carnivals were hispanic-themed and apparently got sold out to Fiesta, another hispanic-themed grocer.
Kroger's, Albertson's, Tom Thumb, Cost-Plus, Wal-Mart (of course) and some independents like Terry's El Mariachhi (was open on Christmas) are around as well as the few Minyards.
Before Wal-Mart whacked the grocery business, the DFW area had the most hottest contested market in the nation and the lowest profit margin because of it.
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Hmm...Food Lion, Martin's and Weis, plus Walmart are it for me around here.
I miss Safeway and King Soopers from Colorado!
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Not counting the mom-and-pop operations; the big chains.
I grew up with Safeway, IGA, and Jack 'n Jill, all of which seemed to have vanished from both the prairies and the Sandhills of Nebraska a long time ago.
Around here, on the eastern slope of the Sandhills, the major grocery distributor is Affiliated Foods, but the owners of the individual stores name their stores anything they wish to name them.
The "big names" in Nebraska used to be Safeway and Hinky-Dinky. Hinky-Dinky no longer exists, and Safeway has but one solitary store in the state, in Scottsbluff, clear over near the border with Wyoming.
In Omaha and Lincoln, the "big names" are Hy-Vee, Baker's, Russ's, and Food4Less; there may still be some Albertson's around, but I dunno.
I suppose Hy-Vee is generally the "biggest" chain in Nebraska, given the number of locations.
My brother Mark used to work for Bakers when he was a teen. I believe it was on 72nd street but I can't remember for sure. I miss my brother. :(
We have a Ralph's (which is Kroger), Albertsons (which there is a rather nice one but it is a few miles from where I live), Costco, Sams, Savon and Stater Bros as well as a few others. I only have shopped at Ralph's which I find expensive but it is the closest, Albertsons which I like the best but the one I like is about 4 miles away and Costco on occasion, my husband has gone to Stater Bro's and didn't really like it. I tried to go once to Stater Bros with my oldest daughter and there were homeless people hanging all around it and I have to admit, it made me uncomfortable so we drove right on by. There are no Super Walmarts or Super Targets anywhere that I have found. The Target and Walmart's have a few food items but not a full grocery store like we had in Dallas that were everywhere.
So does anyone know why they change brand names? Like Hellmann's is known as Best Foods out here on the west coast? Also Ralph's is Kroger in Dallas? I have noticed several other brand name changes as well. What is the point?
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A & P turned into Superfresh, at least here in the Northeast.
Acme is our store of choice locally.
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We have just about everything within 20 miles. My son works at a great hometown market, Adams. So I go there when I cant get it from woods,waters or my garden but thats rare, For other non food items I go to Walmart. Another one we got is Aldi its great for German stuff! Good German imports cheep. Chocolate!
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BEG- ?? I thought Best Foods was a "generic" brand?
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BEG- ?? I thought Best Foods was a "generic" brand?
Nope, it's Hellmann's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellmann's_and_Best_Foods
Edited to add: I found out why they have different names. Hellmann's and Best Foods had different recipes and found a great following before Best Foods bought Hallmann's so they kept both recipes. But that still doesn't explain why other items have different names in different regions (or why Ralph's is Kroger in other locations).
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Here in Des Moines its just HyVee. and a few Wallmarts. HyVee has a near complete monopoly.
Apparently you haven't noticed a Dahl's Grocery Store yet. There are at least a dozen in the Des Moines area.
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Wow, that freaked me out for minute. I was reading your post and saw Woolworth's and wondered what year you were posting from. Woolworths were a big 5 and dime chain many years ago in the US. Totally different from the UK and Aussie version.
I remember F.W. Woolworth too - big chain here in California. I was just a kid but I used to shop there with my Mom. There was also another dime store called J.J. Newberry (back in the day).
Here in my local area we have: Bel Air, Albertsons, Sav-Mor, Walmart, K-Mart and Target has a pretty good sized food section, also.
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Save Mart
Food Maxx
Vons (owned by Safeway)
Sam's
Food Co.
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I remember F.W. Woolworth too - big chain here in California. I was just a kid but I used to shop there with my Mom. There was also another dime store called J.J. Newberry (back in the day).
Here in my local area we have: Bel Air, Alberstons, Sav-Mor, Walmart, K-Mart and Target has a pretty good sized food section, also.
There was a Ben Franklin right up the block from where I lived as a kid in Omaha. We called it the dime store and they had bins and bins of candy. I remember getting the wax lips that had fangs during Halloween and some piece of candy that was round like a life saver and you blew into it and it blew like a whistle (I think it was actually gum but I can't remember for sure). There was a Woolworth in the Crossroads mall too in Omaha. There was a long aisle of candy there and I remember getting those wax "coke" bottles that are filled with fruit flavored liquid and come packaged like a 6 pack of coke in glass bottles came. It was glorious.
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Piggly Wiggley
Food Lion
Harris teeter
Lowes Food
Winn Dixie
Wal Mart
Sams
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Lucky, Nob Hill (owned by Raley's, a regional chain; as is Bel Air), Safeway, Target, Lunardi's (local chain), Whole Paycheck, Trader Joe's, Costco. Walmart is a couple of cities away.
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I remember F.W. Woolworth too - big chain here in California. I was just a kid but I used to shop there with my Mom. There was also another dime store called J.J. Newberry (back in the day).
Here in my local area we have: Bel Air, Albertsons, Sav-Mor, Walmart, K-Mart and Target has a pretty good sized food section, also.
Wow lady showing your age? Back in the day we had a J.J. Newberrys and Woolworth. The Woolworth had a soda fountain/snack bar with the little juke boxes at the tables.
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Kroger, Walmart, Community Market (locallly owned) in my town, and Aldi's...15 miles away we have Whole Foods, Trader Joes, Target, Meijers, Giant Eagle, Buehlers (Ohio Chain).
I remember A&P, Woolworths, Ben Franklin (my favorite craft store) IGA, and many others long gone....
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There was a Ben Franklin right up the block from where I lived as a kid in Omaha. We called it the dime store and they had bins and bins of candy. I remember getting the wax lips that had fangs during Halloween and some piece of candy that was round like a life saver and you blew into it and it blew like a whistle (I think it was actually gum but I can't remember for sure). There was a Woolworth in the Crossroads mall too in Omaha. There was a long aisle of candy there and I remember getting those wax "coke" bottles that are filled with fruit flavored liquid and come packaged like a 6 pack of coke in glass bottles came. It was glorious.
Oh, I remember all that you mention! The wax lips, the "coke" bottles...Lol. Yep, those were the days. We even used to buy the "candy cigarettes". Remember those? Little peppermint sticks with red painted on the tips. :lmao: I guess that wouldn't be PC now.
And...although 7-11's are still around (although most are old and rundown), they used to carry the best sour apple bubble gum! Yum. Big fat green pieces of apple gum. :-)
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Wow lady showing your age? Back in the day we had a J.J. Newberrys and Woolworth. The Woolworth had a soda fountain/snack bar with the little juke boxes at the tables.
I am showing my age! Lol.
Cats, my very first job was at J.J. Newberry (I was 15 years old - looking back I can't believe they hired me at 15?? but they did). I worked behind the food counter. You remember the long food counter with the round "orange" swivel seats. Back in those days (here I go again dating myself) the cash registers didn't tell you how much to give back in change. You used to have to count in your head and make sure you gave back the right amount. Kids today have registers that tell them how much to give back!! :whatever:
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Gristedes
Associated
Pathmark
D'Agostinos
C-Town
Whole Foods
Trader Joes
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There was a Ben Franklin right up the block from where I lived as a kid in Omaha. We called it the dime store and they had bins and bins of candy. I remember getting the wax lips that had fangs during Halloween and some piece of candy that was round like a life saver and you blew into it and it blew like a whistle (I think it was actually gum but I can't remember for sure). There was a Woolworth in the Crossroads mall too in Omaha. There was a long aisle of candy there and I remember getting those wax "coke" bottles that are filled with fruit flavored liquid and come packaged like a 6 pack of coke in glass bottles came. It was glorious.
You can still buy those things at the state fair. Even the candy cigarettes.
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You can still buy those things at the state fair. Even the candy cigarettes.
Forgive me for getting off topic, but is it tomorrow you go in for your surgery???
God will have his hands around the surgeon's hands, and both will bring you through it in great shape..Keep the faith... :heart:
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Forgive me for getting off topic, but is it tomorrow you go in for your surgery???
God will have his hands around the surgeon's hands, and both will bring you through it in great shape..Keep the faith... :heart:
Thank you. The surgery is Tuesday morning.
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The stores in my immediate area are Kroger, Publix, Harris Teeter, and Wal Mart. There's also a Wild Oats off the next interstate exit if that's your thing.
Depending on what part of town you're in, you can go shopping at Aldi's, Albertsons, WinnDixie, and Dollar General.
How can you have so many of the good ones and we don't? :bawl:
We have Kroger's, Food City, WalMart, Super Target, Sam's, a few Ingles still, Fresh Market (very expensive)Dollar General, and Big Lots. There are a few small independents - like a neighborhood store...Butler and Bailey is up the street from us....meat is good but very expensive, rest of stuff is just a bit higher than Kroger. I only go there for stuff I forgot, quickie trips for a couple of things, or milk.
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Not too many choices around here. Price Chopper has a near monopoly. There is a Hannafords about a half hour drive in one direction. Wal Mart about 45 min in another direction. Costco about an hour in yet another direction. There's an IGA across the border in Quebec that isn't too far, but that is only worth going to during the late fall pork purge, when they kill off all the pigs and sell every cut you can think of for about 99 cents Canadian a pound. Otherwise food in Canada is a pretty poor deal. There is Shaw's and probably a few other store chains down toward Burlington to compete with Price Chopper. We used to have a Save-A-Lot that had great deals on groceries, but Price Chopper bought the store and shut it down. There are some Dollar Generals scattered around as well.
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DFW grocery biz used to be dominated by a local company called Minyards. They owned Minyards, Sak n Save and Carnival stores all over the place. Recently this family owned business sold out to Affiliated I think. Now there are just a few Minyards around. The Carnivals were hispanic-themed and apparently got sold out to Fiesta, another hispanic-themed grocer.
Kroger's, Albertson's, Tom Thumb, Cost-Plus, Wal-Mart (of course) and some independents like Terry's El Mariachhi (was open on Christmas) are around as well as the few Minyards.
Before Wal-Mart whacked the grocery business, the DFW area had the most hottest contested market in the nation and the lowest profit margin because of it.
Do you remember Skaggs Alpha Beta???
All the dang grocery stores seem to be disappearing. I have my choice of a Fiesta, Terry's Mariachi, two Krogers, and a very lackluster Albertsons. I go to the Tom Thumb for my beer.
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Do you remember Skaggs Alpha Beta???
All the dang grocery stores seem to be disappearing. I have my choice of a Fiesta, Terry's Mariachi, two Krogers, and a very lackluster Albertsons. I go to the Tom Thumb for my beer.
You live in Irving too??
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There was a Ben Franklin right up the block from where I lived as a kid in Omaha. We called it the dime store and they had bins and bins of candy. I remember getting the wax lips that had fangs during Halloween and some piece of candy that was round like a life saver and you blew into it and it blew like a whistle (I think it was actually gum but I can't remember for sure). There was a Woolworth in the Crossroads mall too in Omaha. There was a long aisle of candy there and I remember getting those wax "coke" bottles that are filled with fruit flavored liquid and come packaged like a 6 pack of coke in glass bottles came. It was glorious.
Memory's of big white rolls of paper with dots of candy to pick off, sold by the foot. Small bits of chocolate shaped like a baby and the wax whistles and coke bottles with the syrup you mentioned Beg.
We have an abundance of food stores in this area, Super stores by the plenty, Target, Wallmart, BJ's, Shaw's, Market basket, two very pricier meat stores, a couple of dollar stores, Rite Aid has taken over the druggists here and also sell some food.
In the south we had Piggley Wiggley, Food Lion, Giant Open Air Market, and Target.
At one time there was a A&P smack dab down town that was a God send to the elderly that lived in the area. Today the oldsters ride a bus a mile or so to shop but in this weather waiting to board is very uncomfortable for them.
For restaurants we still have Applebys but lost Uno, Texas Grill, Long Horn, Boston Market, and Spuds. It is a struggle to keep the upscale restaurants in business here, Summers and tourists are one thing but winter time the locals are not going to spend $85.00 a plate for some kind of food we never heard of.
Competition is fierce here and the influx of Asian and other ethnic groups such as Hindi food or even Italian is remarkable. So far I have not heard of one German or Turkish restaurant in the area.
Allot of cottage industry's have sprung up, woman will cook at home for their ethnic group and sell the food at work. They buy Styrofoam containers with lids , same as the restaurants give you for doggy bags at about 3 cents a piece from restaurant suppliers and can feed 60 people a hot meal for $30.00. They charge $2.00 pr meal and make a fortune 5-7 days a week. Tax free.
The Asian supply stores are few and far between, they some how keep out competition and these places unless you need 100 lbs of rice and know where they are, are hidden in small places. I enjoy shopping twice a year or so at the Asian stores, they never have a sale and as a Westerner I have to get use to the decidedly different smell from that of a conventional Supermarket.
Summers we have these folk beside the road with their produce from so called local farms that is actually brought at the local supermarket and the price hiked as to call it home grown. I finally caught on to these crooks when I began to wonder how one stand could sell produce that was 2 weeks from being harvested in our area.
We also have this Mass. outfit called Schwans that comes door to door in refrigerated trucks with possibily the best frozen food I have ever bought. I have not see their trucks out in a couple of years and our comunity will not allow door to door sales----not even Avon.
We have just one or two fish markets in the area, we locals will head for the docks to buy our seafood right off the boat.
However, when it comes to fried clams, Gloster Co. out of Mass. does theirs to perfection but does not sell to anyone but businesses. They soak their clams and oysters in water with corn meal or flour, the clams inhale this stuff and it cleans out all the mud or grit within them. In years of eating fried clams these are the only ones that I will eat the belly on, they are as clean as a whistle.
Aside from apples, cherrys and concord grapes or local pears most everything has to be imported from somewhere else Very hard to find raw peanuts for a peanut boil, no such thing as Old Alpaso corn taccos in a tin can any longer.
The taste of fruit has changed as we import, no longer do we put sugar on mellon or grapefruit, now it is salt to make them taste sweet.
We no longer live to eat, we now eat most anything to live. Bring your camera and a 4 year old up here and take lots of pictures of the little one when a lobster is put in front of them.
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You live in Irving too??
Nope, The land of the Gar.
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Nope, The land of the Gar.
I caught an Alligator Gar once... heh.
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Nope, The land of the Gar.
Didn't Charles Manson come from Garland? Or was that Leann Rimes?
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Didn't Charles Manson come from Garland? Or was that Leann Rimes?
:lmao: :p
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Here in the NJ/PA/DE area, it's Acme (no they don't have all the fun stuff from the RoadRunners cartoons!), ShopRite, Genuardi's, SuperFresh (or SuperG), Walmart, Wegmans, PathMark, ThriftWay, Stop N Shop, Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, SuperTarget -- box stores are BJ's, Sams and Costco.
We always went to A&P when I was a kid.
8 O'Clock coffee is sold at most of the stores above . . .
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My grandmother lived in a town in central Illinois of 3000. I would spend several weeks with her every summer.
When I was real little, she lived on the outskirts. When I was about 7 or 8, she moved into "town" to a big house that was converted into 2 or 3 apartments and lived upstairs. It was about 3 blocks to "downtown"...downtown being a polite way of saying 3 blocks of commercial stuff. A couple years later, she moved right to the edge of downtown to another house to be on the first floor.
A & P was the closest and open more hours than the IGA, but only about half the size of the IGA. Anytime Miss Katie went to the IGA, Mr Search would send one of his "boys" home with her to carry her groceries, and that was where she did her "big" shopping. I remember going shopping with her, and even if I was along, one of the boys went home with us carrying the groceries.
I went back there in 2001 with my daughter. I wanted to show her my grandma's old house where my mother grew up, and all the neat places where I would go with Grandma, when I went to visit.
It was so sad....at some point in time, there had been a fire and one whole block of downtown was gone and not rebuilt. The drugstore with it's big marble fountain was gone, of course the Five and Dime was gone where I used to go with Grandma to get her "threads" (she did beautiful embroidered totally handmade quilts) and some penny candy, both the A & P and IGA were gone. The grocery was now out on the highway, and probably not carrying groceries home for little old ladies.....
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We have Safeway, Grocery Outlet (Gross-out :P), Save-Mart (was Albertsons), and K-Mart.
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My grandmother lived in a town in central Illinois of 3000. I would spend several weeks with her every summer.
When I was real little, she lived on the outskirts. When I was about 7 or 8, she moved into "town" to a big house that was converted into 2 or 3 apartments and lived upstairs. It was about 3 blocks to "downtown"...downtown being a polite way of saying 3 blocks of commercial stuff. A couple years later, she moved right to the edge of downtown to another house to be on the first floor.
A & P was the closest and open more hours than the IGA, but only about half the size of the IGA. Anytime Miss Katie went to the IGA, Mr Search would send one of his "boys" home with her to carry her groceries, and that was where she did her "big" shopping. I remember going shopping with her, and even if I was along, one of the boys went home with us carrying the groceries.
I went back there in 2001 with my daughter. I wanted to show her my grandma's old house where my mother grew up, and all the neat places where I would go with Grandma, when I went to visit.
It was so sad....at some point in time, there had been a fire and one whole block of downtown was gone and not rebuilt. The drugstore with it's big marble fountain was gone, of course the Five and Dime was gone where I used to go with Grandma to get her "threads" (she did beautiful embroidered totally handmade quilts) and some penny candy, both the A & P and IGA were gone. The grocery was now out on the highway, and probably not carrying groceries home for little old ladies.....
All of the good stuff is gone. In my town, there used to be a drug store with a soda fountain and grill inside. Gone. The 5 & dime that was here disappeared many years ago, even before Walmart invaded the city. The local drug store had expanded and carried a lot of stuff that was nice like guns, kitchen appliances, some sundries, etc. Gone. Gibson's, a store that could have rivaled Walmart is now gone. The local movie theater is still here, but now is some sort of special venue place and no longer shows movies. The local magazine store is long gone, too. That one was a pretty neat store. All in all, Walmart has killed the down town area, but it was dying even before Walmart arrived in town. The biggest detriment to the local businesses was the local Air Force Base closing down. The city could have worked a lot harder to obtain businesses to replace the Air Force Base, but instead, they just let it all die off. Presently, the down town area is little more than a few banks and "antique shops". (More like "old junk shops")
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My grandmother lived in a town in central Illinois of 3000. I would spend several weeks with her every summer.
When I was real little, she lived on the outskirts. When I was about 7 or 8, she moved into "town" to a big house that was converted into 2 or 3 apartments and lived upstairs. It was about 3 blocks to "downtown"...downtown being a polite way of saying 3 blocks of commercial stuff. A couple years later, she moved right to the edge of downtown to another house to be on the first floor.
A & P was the closest and open more hours than the IGA, but only about half the size of the IGA. Anytime Miss Katie went to the IGA, Mr Search would send one of his "boys" home with her to carry her groceries, and that was where she did her "big" shopping. I remember going shopping with her, and even if I was along, one of the boys went home with us carrying the groceries.
I went back there in 2001 with my daughter. I wanted to show her my grandma's old house where my mother grew up, and all the neat places where I would go with Grandma, when I went to visit.
It was so sad....at some point in time, there had been a fire and one whole block of downtown was gone and not rebuilt. The drugstore with it's big marble fountain was gone, of course the Five and Dime was gone where I used to go with Grandma to get her "threads" (she did beautiful embroidered totally handmade quilts) and some penny candy, both the A & P and IGA were gone. The grocery was now out on the highway, and probably not carrying groceries home for little old ladies.....
We can see all around us how gentility has suffered at the jaded hand of "progress". The quaint decency with which we lived in times gone by is now a fairytale few believe ever existed. It will be a sad day when we who remember are all gone and not even a footprint of such caring civility remains.
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We still have a drug store with a lunch counter, hehe. I have no idea how its stayed in business.
We use to have a Gibson's too, I remember going there every week or so. We kids used to get popcorn or slurpee before we walked its aisles. To us, it was huge but its much smaller than many grocery stores are today.
Plymouth Park shopping center in Irving, TX was the largest outdoor shopping center in the country when it was built way back when. Now its mostly empty, there are some dollar stores and a postal center and the "big" 3 screen movie theater that helped anchor it now plays movies from India.
I don't blame Wal-Mart for this any more than I'd blame K-Mart or Sears or JC Penny. I blame government and its tools such as inflation.
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We still have a drug store with a lunch counter, hehe. I have no idea how its stayed in business.
We use to have a Gibson's too, I remember going there every week or so. We kids used to get popcorn or slurpee before we walked its aisles. To us, it was huge but its much smaller than many grocery stores are today.
Plymouth Park shopping center in Irving, TX was the largest outdoor shopping center in the country when it was built way back when. Now its mostly empty, there are some dollar stores and a postal center and the "big" 3 screen movie theater that helped anchor it now plays movies from India.
I don't blame Wal-Mart for this any more than I'd blame K-Mart or Sears or JC Penny. I blame government and its tools such as inflation.
Irving mall and shifting demographics killed Plymouth Park Shopping Center (which I don't think was larger than Wynnewood on Oak Cliff).
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Didn't Charles Manson come from Garland? Or was that Leann Rimes?
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Irving mall and shifting demographics killed Plymouth Park Shopping Center (which I don't think was larger than Wynnewood on Oak Cliff).
AT the time it was built, I think. That was mid-50's, when Irving had like 2 cops or something. heh.
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We can see all around us how gentility has suffered at the jaded hand of "progress". The quaint decency with which we lived in times gone by is now a fairytale few believe ever existed. It will be a sad day when we who remember are all gone and not even a footprint of such caring civility remains.
Every summer, from about 3rd grade...when I first got to Grandma's, either my mother or my Grandma would walk me to the library to introduce me to the librarian. I'm sure it was the same lady every year....she was old! (probably younger than I am now :whatever: )My mother's instructions were to let me check out anything that the librarian approved.
By the time I was in 5th grade, I had finished up the kid section, and was working on high school. By 7th grade I was into "adult" books. I can remember being allowed to read Hemingway, Herman Wouk, Frank Slaughter and Frank Yerby.
That library was such a wonderful place....I could walk there, the librarian knew who I was...to me, it was right up there with heaven.....
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We can see all around us how gentility has suffered at the jaded hand of "progress". The quaint decency with which we lived in times gone by is now a fairytale few believe ever existed. It will be a sad day when we who remember are all gone and not even a footprint of such caring civility remains.
Well put...and sad. The current "generation(s)" will never know, AND never know what they missed out on...
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That library was such a wonderful place....I could walk there, the librarian knew who I was...to me, it was right up there with heaven.....
I loved the library too. I use to have the school librarian "grade" my stories. I'd draw a cover and staple them together like a magazine.
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As far as my town goes, we have two Hannaford's, one Market Basket (DeMulla's) and WalMart. There's Shaw's as well, but the closest one is Dover.
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We have Kroger's, Brookshire's, Walmart. There are probably more but I'm new to the area and don't travel too far out yet. Plus my husband does the shopping. I should ask him. :-)
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Publix
Winn Dixie
Walmart
Sam's
BJ's
Target
Aldi
Albertson's (if you can find the rare one)
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As far as my town goes, we have two Hannaford's, one Market Basket (DeMulla's) and WalMart. There's Shaw's as well, but the closest one is Dover.
I forgot about Shaws -- we have those also.
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Every summer, from about 3rd grade...when I first got to Grandma's, either my mother or my Grandma would walk me to the library to introduce me to the librarian. I'm sure it was the same lady every year....she was old! (probably younger than I am now :whatever: )My mother's instructions were to let me check out anything that the librarian approved.
By the time I was in 5th grade, I had finished up the kid section, and was working on high school. By 7th grade I was into "adult" books. I can remember being allowed to read Hemingway, Herman Wouk, Frank Slaughter and Frank Yerby.
That library was such a wonderful place....I could walk there, the librarian knew who I was...to me, it was right up there with heaven.....
Lucky you DEB, we had 3 to choose from the town we lived in, the town we were bused to for school and the Library at UNH. This was school time, in the summer we used the library's in the towns we vacationed in.
It is the old ones that captivated me, they had that SMELL of ancient knowledge. The University library allowed us to check out adult books at most any age.
The small town library's had a definite barrier between children's books and adults and kids were not encouraged to wander about amid questionable books for 10 year olds
Big changes today now there are computers and mirrors in the corners one library has problems with men watching porn or bothering kids in the children's section.
The Library was a sanctuary for kids to be safe while our parents shopped or got a hair cut. We definately learned mannors as if you caused any kind of problem the staff button holed your parents and no more unsurprivised visits. Kids had to deport themselves the same as they would in Church.
You know I just remembered the books on wheels that traveled about the lakes and summer camps that for years came every 2 weeks in the summer.
I was taught how to make good use of the library as a child, I could order a book before it was placed in the library.
A few years ago I read an artical on a woman who was in the front of the womans movement in the 1920 and the library took a few days to find a couple of books she had written back then, shipped in from some place in the mid-west. A waste of time she was a bull dike of her time. ::)
Back when the politically correct clamped down on Tom Saywer and Flopsi, Mopsi, and Cotten Tail, I found that some librarys have some room called their room of shame where they store the books others wanted to burn. One can in fact check out the origional manuscripts as they were ment to be read at that time.
Today I hit the library at least 4 times a year for free tickets to musiums in Boston and local artsy-smartsy stuff that charge an arm and a leg to get into.
We did have a Huge controversersy with one Library up the coast in Maine that offered classes in the Muslim faith, some of the life long tax payers turned rabbid that their tax money was being spent to educate people in a faith the believe is Santanic. One library wanted to put in a coffee shop and the locals who owned or worked at Dunkin Donuts had Hissy Fits.
Back on some sort of topic, has anyone seen a shoe shine stand or a Cobbler shop to repair heels and soles.? You may think I am 100 years old but as a very small kid I remember people pulling big carts of ice up the road full of fresh fish, lobster and shrimp to sell door to door.
Say, the traveling carnavls that put up tents for male only hoochie-coochie entertainment.. The old Freak shows that gave disabled people a living wage. The farmer with a 3 leg cow or a chicken that would do stunts for a few pieces of corn. You do know my state still allows Cock Fighting.?
Last time I saw a Brother Loves Salvation Show was the mid 1960's darn they were fun, bring a box lunch and hear the call to faith.
Question now is what is next to fly past us in the next few years. How will our towns change, how will we adapt to the changing fashion and life style.?
The thing that gripes me most of all the changes are of all things hats. I hate to see grown men wearing ball caps the same as their little girls wear. Hubby wears a big boy hat from Wilson, a mans hat, one he can doff, keeps rain off his face and neck. The day he wears a hat just like his granddaughter is the day I throw up my hands to to the fates.
Does anyone out there remember what a candy themontor is for.??
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DFW grocery biz used to be dominated by a local company called Minyards. They owned Minyards, Sak n Save and Carnival stores all over the place. Recently this family owned business sold out to Affiliated I think. Now there are just a few Minyards around. The Carnivals were hispanic-themed and apparently got sold out to Fiesta, another hispanic-themed grocer.
Ah, Minyards. That's where we always went when we lived in Mesquite, when I was a kid. That or the A&P I think it was. In far north Georgia, we had Walmart of course, a Bi-Lo and Ingles with Food Lion, Sav-A-Lot and a Piggly Wiggly relatively nearby. Back here in Oklahoma, locally there's only a Walmart (of course) and Sav-A-Lot. There used to be a Winn Dixie, but it was driven out when the Walmart rebuilt into a Supercenter.
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Here in KC, Price Chopper and Hy Vee dominate the market, with Walmart, Sams, Cosco, Super K-Mart and Target thrown in.....there are a few IGA's, and some independents, but those are the bulk of the availability.
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Lucky you DEB, we had 3 to choose from the town we lived in, the town we were bused to for school and the Library at UNH. This was school time, in the summer we used the library's in the towns we vacationed in.
It is the old ones that captivated me, they had that SMELL of ancient knowledge. The University library allowed us to check out adult books at most any age.
The small town library's had a definite barrier between children's books and adults and kids were not encouraged to wander about amid questionable books for 10 year olds
Big changes today now there are computers and mirrors in the corners one library has problems with men watching porn or bothering kids in the children's section.
The Library was a sanctuary for kids to be safe while our parents shopped or got a hair cut. We definately learned mannors as if you caused any kind of problem the staff button holed your parents and no more unsurprivised visits. Kids had to deport themselves the same as they would in Church.
You know I just remembered the books on wheels that traveled about the lakes and summer camps that for years came every 2 weeks in the summer.
I was taught how to make good use of the library as a child, I could order a book before it was placed in the library.
A few years ago I read an artical on a woman who was in the front of the womans movement in the 1920 and the library took a few days to find a couple of books she had written back then, shipped in from some place in the mid-west. A waste of time she was a bull dike of her time. ::)
Back when the politically correct clamped down on Tom Saywer and Flopsi, Mopsi, and Cotten Tail, I found that some librarys have some room called their room of shame where they store the books others wanted to burn. One can in fact check out the origional manuscripts as they were ment to be read at that time.
Today I hit the library at least 4 times a year for free tickets to musiums in Boston and local artsy-smartsy stuff that charge an arm and a leg to get into.
We did have a Huge controversersy with one Library up the coast in Maine that offered classes in the Muslim faith, some of the life long tax payers turned rabbid that their tax money was being spent to educate people in a faith the believe is Santanic. One library wanted to put in a coffee shop and the locals who owned or worked at Dunkin Donuts had Hissy Fits.
Back on some sort of topic, has anyone seen a shoe shine stand or a Cobbler shop to repair heels and soles.? You may think I am 100 years old but as a very small kid I remember people pulling big carts of ice up the road full of fresh fish, lobster and shrimp to sell door to door.
Say, the traveling carnavls that put up tents for male only hoochie-coochie entertainment.. The old Freak shows that gave disabled people a living wage. The farmer with a 3 leg cow or a chicken that would do stunts for a few pieces of corn. You do know my state still allows Cock Fighting.?
Last time I saw a Brother Loves Salvation Show was the mid 1960's darn they were fun, bring a box lunch and hear the call to faith.
Question now is what is next to fly past us in the next few years. How will our towns change, how will we adapt to the changing fashion and life style.?
The thing that gripes me most of all the changes are of all things hats. I hate to see grown men wearing ball caps the same as their little girls wear. Hubby wears a big boy hat from Wilson, a mans hat, one he can doff, keeps rain off his face and neck. The day he wears a hat just like his granddaughter is the day I throw up my hands to to the fates.
Does anyone out there remember what a candy themontor is for.??
I not only have a candy thermometer....I even know how to use it....though I was taught how to tell when candy was at the right stage....soft, firm and hard...by dropping a bit off of a spoon into cold water.
One of our young guests Christmas Eve did not understand that his hat needed to be removed when he sat down to dinner. Even after M made a couple of comments.
I remember the travelling carnivals too.... and there were some places that little girls were not allowed to go near. Never did understand at the time, why not either.
I too, remember when you had to whisper only out of necessity in a library. If you carried on a conversation, even in a whisper...you could not only get in trouble but banned for a few days.
But then I also remember going into Church and staying on my knees praying until Mass started, having a lace "doilie" on my head - or the shame of having a Kleenex pinned to the top of my head if I forgot my doilie!, and under no circumstances did I turn around to see who was sitting behind me....let alone talk in Church.
And yes....old libraries had such a wonderful smell.
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Lucky you DEB, we had 3 to choose from the town we lived in, the town we were bused to for school and the Library at UNH. This was school time, in the summer we used the library's in the towns we vacationed in.
Not to change the subject but by bused do you mean mandatory busing to a different school? When I lived in Omaha we moved to a different school district when I was in 5th grade. They bused kids into our school although I don't remember the busing until 7th and 8th grade (Morton Middle School for those of you who are from Omaha). The bused kids came from a poor area, mostly black. Then when I was in 9th grade we were supposed to be bused into their school (Horace Mann). We moved to Tulsa the summer before 9th grade so I didn't have to be bused but my brother did. His coat and shoes were stolen as well as punched in the face once. I was afraid to be bused to that school because of the area and the trouble my brother had at the school. I get the idea of why they did it and understand why they tried it but I don't think it had the results they thought it would produce. I think it increased tensions rather than helped.
The school district we moved to in 5th grade was trying all kinds of "new teaching" ideas. We had "pods" instead of rooms. It was louder than hell. Before 5th grade I went to "District 66" which was suppose to be some excellent school system. They also had weird teaching ideas. They had a go at your own pace type thing. I had dyslexia and I was humiliated every time I took a spelling test because they had a chart on the wall with everyones progress. If you didn't pass the test you had to stay at the level you were at and you couldn't move on until you got a certain grade. Well was always last. They should have kept grades and progress private, it really hurt my self esteem. I was so glad when we moved to the new school district in 5th grade because no one knew about my dyslexia and suddenly I did so much better. I think I thought I was stupid so I lived up to it. Once no one knew about how "stupid" I was I could forget about it as well and suddenly I "out grew" my dyslexia (they called it mirror imaging when I was diagnosed).
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I kind of remember when you were bused, BEG. If i remember correctly, District 66 was the best school district in the Omaha area.
I was living in W Des Moines during 5th and 6th. We were bused from Fair Meadows to Clive because Fair Meadows had too many kids. Both schools fed into the same junior high though so we were back to going to a closer school for 7th and 8th. Then Stillwell fed into Valley High School.
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Piggly Wiggly, Publix, Kroger, Food Lion & The Fresh Market.
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I kind of remember when you were bused, BEG. If i remember correctly, District 66 was the best school district in the Omaha area.
I was living in W Des Moines during 5th and 6th. We were bused from Fair Meadows to Clive because Fair Meadows had too many kids. Both schools fed into the same junior high though so we were back to going to a closer school for 7th and 8th. Then Stillwell fed into Valley High School.
Bus riding for me was because of the size of the towns and the miles it took to get to the school we were bused.
All the years when educators tried to find a better and easier way to teach was in my childrens eras. Some really wierd ideas out there. In California my eldest for 2 years involved 2-3 grade in reading programs that boggled my mind. Her teacher told me that I never should have taught her to read at 4 as that would totally confuse and mess up the teachers ability to teach her the CORRECT way to read.
On the other hand the NEW MATH had come into being and as a parent I was supose to help her understand and excell at a subject I knew squart about. Why not just go to the deciminal system as the rest of the world does and just move that decimal point about.?
One thing that really disturbes me is that the thinking was that all brains work the same way. With 4 kids I knew full well that all my kids loved to read, I do not know if this was an inbuilt mind set or from the influences of both sides of a family who all read, if they did not read then they felt left out from family conversations, felt they were missing something that gave others pleasure.
My Males took on Math with no problem as they did hand eye skills and a sense of adventure. It was the boys that hung out in the tops of trees pretending to be on a man of war looking for Booty.
My girls tended to have interests that were female involved, Boys. The girls were more creative with their hands, more introverted and as they became aware of body changes less interested in a mans world. They learned but did not have the drive the Males did, they were trying to learn to survive in their world where as the boys wanted to change their world.
We cannot just turn our children loose into schools where we are not on top of what they are being taught. A male with dislexture will be treated differently then a female. SEX still makes a difference, no one said a word to me about my boys knowing how to read in first or 2nd. grade, not one complaint about them being able to add and subtract. My boys were considered very smart while the girls at that age were just a problem on how to teach them their way.
Today things have changed, but our mind set has not. Few schools push girls to learn how to start a business as a Chopper Machanic, Operate a 100 ton Crane, or work as a salvage diver.
The mind set still lives that men need to protect the female, ------Funny even today as I was brought up old school and was FORCED to memorise our math tables. At work the young kids with calculators in hands were amazed I could do the math equasion in my head faster then they.
Teach the kids to learn to read for pleasure, that is the start. If either sex has a bend toward math then bring it on. Each child has a talent and that is what should be be highlited, the bulk of their education. So a child is a wonder with Math and science, why worry about if they have have problems with a foreign language or geography. If that knowledge is needed down the line the student will acquire what is needed. If a child can take apart a clock at 5 and make it work, why expect them to read about some past war.? They will be led by their interest into how their interest led or had part of that war.
Our country was built by people that may or may not have been able to read, write or do math. They sure gained that knowledge if they wished to build a home, --math-- geology, how to dig a well, making soap, bread or beer--chemestry---what to plant --biology--- when the fish will swarm, and head upstream, a science in itself.
I cannot congegate a verb, leave my partibles hanging from the rafters, cannot spell or work those Algerbra problems with the jelly beans. So what. There are some things that just do not compute for me and is the same for millions of others.
Is this because we are stupid, low IQ or just have no need for that information.?
I loved the quote of Einstein where he said he never memorised information he can look up.
Way off topic, sorry.
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Vesta, you NEED to cease driving threads off topic. This disrupts the normal flow of conversation.
Ohhhh, and "spell check" is your friend........
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Vesta, you NEED to cease driving threads off topic. This disrupts the normal flow of conversation.
Ohhhh, and "spell check" is your friend........
I just scroll past her posts and check any replies for relevant quotes/comments from her.
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Vesta, you NEED to cease driving threads off topic. This disrupts the normal flow of conversation.
Ohhhh, and "spell check" is your friend........
Thor....just to be fair...I started the "off topic" subject with libraries. BEG and Vesta followed ME. I'm the one who should be chastised. I'm sorry...
Perhaps it would be best to separate the "library" part of this thread into another thread....
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In this town of about 14,000 people that I live in, we have precisely 2.5 grocery stores.
...Wally World
...a local chain called "SaveMore" or "Bratchers", depending on which cashier you encounter
...Aldi
Now Aldi is the 0.5 store since it's open basically during banking hours. It might be open on the weekend, but if so, it's Saturday only. It definitely is not open in the evening.
Mrs. E and I would KILL for a Costco in our area. There's a Sam's Club in Columbia, MO, but that's 40 miles away.
Try getting the stuff for a fresh salad around here. :bwah: :banghead:
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We have a Sam's Club in Sherman, TX, but the nearest Costco is in Plano or Allen, TX. It'd be nice were we to get a nearby Costco.
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I want a Costco....and a Publix....and a Harris Teeter would be lovely....and a Trader Joe's would be just awesome.... :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
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Thor....just to be fair...I started the "off topic" subject with libraries. BEG and Vesta followed ME. I'm the one who should be chastised. I'm sorry...
Perhaps it would be best to separate the "library" part of this thread into another thread....
I was going to post that if Thor is going to blame Vesta for going off topic he needs to blame me too.
Thor, this is the lounge, do you seriously care if the topic of a casual thread in the lounge goes off topic?
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I was going to post that if Thor is going to blame Vesta for going off topic he needs to blame me too.
Thor, this is the lounge, do you seriously care if the topic of a casual thread in the lounge goes off topic?
I'm more surprised when a thread in the lounge doesn't go off topic than when it does.
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I'm more surprised when a thread in the lounge doesn't go off topic than when it does.
LOL Schade always goes off topic so I will just blame her for it. :p
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I forgot about Shaws -- we have those also.
Actually, I think there's a Stop N Shop in Exeter, but I've never been there. Only counting local stuff.
I wish I could make the trip to Mass or Nashua to go to Trader Joe's. Haven't been there in forever.
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Ingles only. I can go about 14 miles to a Quality Foods which isn't worth the drive. Sometimes I'll go about 24 miles to a super Walmart.
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We have a Sam's Club in Sherman, TX, but the nearest Costco is in Plano or Allen, TX. It'd be nice were we to get a nearby Costco.
Just to go off-topic :fuelfire:, we must practically be neighbors now, since we moved back home to southern Oklahoma. We're only about an hour away from Sherman.
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Smith's (owned by Kroger)
Wal Mart Super Center
Albertsons
Over the hill in Las Vegas, there is about anything else you want.
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Target announced they were going to try selling in bilk as BJ's and Costco do but just for a few weeks. I am all in favor of this as the very idea that I have to pay a fee to enter a store to shop is repugnant to me.
If Target will also accept coupons this will be a sweet deal.
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Target announced they were going to try selling in bilk as BJ's and Costco do but just for a few weeks. I am all in favor of this as the very idea that I have to pay a fee to enter a store to shop is repugnant to me.
If Target will also accept coupons this will be a sweet deal.
Target accepts coupons.
I was in one of our Super Target's last week.....the bulk area....was empty and it was two small sides surrounding about 10 small bins in the middle.
Not really worth talking about.
I rarely shop in Target anymore...and it was a favorite of mine. They have really upped their prices here...and not really changed the quality. Even their toiletry/makeup/etc and cat food/litter is more expensive than Walmart's or Kmart's.
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What I've noticed is that Walmart and their suppliers have been decreasing their net weight on their packages. Tuna used to be in 6½ oz cans, then 6 oz cans, now 5 oz cans. Went and got a bag of shrimp for New Year's Eve dinner only to discover that the once 16 oz bag has been downsized to 14 oz. Yet, they say there is no inflation. :whatever: There IS inflation, it's just hidden. I hate it when stores and suppliers do this. Of course there is no blatant disclaimer, unless one reads the net weight. ("convenient new size", etc) :hammer: :hammer:
I noticed that when buying bags of rice the other day.
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Target announced they were going to try selling in bilk as BJ's and Costco do but just for a few weeks. I am all in favor of this as the very idea that I have to pay a fee to enter a store to shop is repugnant to me.
If Target will also accept coupons this will be a sweet deal.
Yeah, but will the prices be comparable? Even having to pay $30/year for a Sam's Club membership, I pay for that in the first trip.
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Yeah, but will the prices be comparable? Even having to pay $30/year for a Sam's Club membership, I pay for that in the first trip.
One really has to know their prices at Sam's. I bought a roll of canned chicken for like $11.00 (thereabouts) and had to go to Walmart right after. Just out of curiosity, I priced a similar product (same weight,different brand). That same canned chicken was cheaper at Walmart. The local Sams also has a gas station. I can find the same of sometimes cheaper prices on gas at other places. Sam's just isn't the deal it used to be. Of course, there ARE many things at Sam's that are cheaper.
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Homeland is the big one.
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In Houston....
Krogers
HEB
Fiesta
Randall's
Super Wal-Mart
Super Target
Gerland's
Food City