Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 08:44 PM
Original message
In case anyone missed this ---- a great loss.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
pengillian101 (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 12:50 AM
Response to Original message
1. Her sister showed up in that thread. Wabansia (8 posts)
732. I AM ANNETTE APPOLLO'S OLDER SISTER (69 YEARS OLD)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
A few posts after that, the thread was locked.
Phentex (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. I only knew her in this forum but
I think that sister post isn't real. It makes no sense at all. Do you know how long it would take to google someone here and then read enough to have an understanding of what kind of poster the person was? And she's basically saying everything TLB posted in our forum was a lie. That just can't be.
hippywife (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 09:34 AM
MRS. ALFRED PACKER
Response to Reply #2
3. Actually, I think it has all been a hoax from there very beginning, both here and on the conservative message board she was posting on. If you google what was supposed to be her real name, they are wondering over there, too.
I think the sister is another hoax and this other guy who says he knew her in the thread gilli posted is a hoax. He only says he knew her online, as well, if I'm reading correctly. I have yet to see one person who says they actually met her IRL on either board.
I feel the worst for those who grew close to any of these personas and are hurting right now, feeling the loss of a friend. Even though they may have been taken for a terrible ride, it says more about them that they were accepting of her and called her a friend, that they have generous and open hearts, not that they may be fools for falling for whatever hoax may have been perpetrated via the names and faces she may have presented.
I think OLL, TLB, or whoever was someome who set out to jerk people around, either to love her or to hate her, on both boards and who knows however many others.
I'm not buying that a word of anything from the very genesis of these characters is real. Not one word.
I've even begun to wonder if she didn't also create Lucinda.
madmax (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. You are wrong.
There was an Annette. Please stick to choking the chicken.
hippywife (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 10:15 AM
MRS. ALFRED PACKER
Response to Reply #4
5. Madmax, I have no argument with you at all. I don't even know you or recall having any exchange with you. I only ever had one disagreement with TLB and then placed her on ignore to avoid her because I don't like conflict. I left the large forums long ago when I saw what was happening with people not being able to have civil discourse. I try to be kind to everyone I meet here.
Did you ever meet her IRL? If so, then I am wrong and I apologize. But I can't help thinking that with every thing that has happened, someone has for sometime been yanking many chains around here and other places. The whole sister thing, doesn't ring true at all. She says things that lead me to think that.
If someone had died, even if no obit, which has to be requested and paid for, there would be a death notice. The deceased has no control over that. They are placed in the paper by the funeral director. If there had been a woman found in such condition, dead by suicide, there would be something in some local news outlet. The deceased has no control over that, either.
Except for the sadness of the people who grew to care about her, I really don't even care. Like I said, she and I had a single run in and no other communication, so I have no axe to grind with you or her.
I would hope this would not keep spilling into the C&B group and continue here. It isn't the place.
ETA: I have no doubt that there is/was an Annette as evidenced by her blog. It's easy enough to find if you google it. I haven't even read it.
http://www.annetteappollo.com /
What I do question is was this person posting HERE Annette?
rzemanfl (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
16. I never knew who Annette was until she died. I then found that my version of one of my grandmother's recipes, that I sent to Leftie/Tangerine is on the Annette Appollo website-exactly the way I wrote it dated around the time I sent it. So the answer is yes.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:30 PM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #3
24. I agree with that. And feel very badly that so many people here are grieving. It says a lot about this community that it can embrace even prickly members so fully.
Lugnut (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. I don't know what to think.
On one hand, I find it hard to believe that anyone could maintain such a ruse for so many years. On the other, no DU poster that I've seen has actually communicated with her IRL. It's all very odd.
rzemanfl (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
22. If there is an afterlife there is a woman wetting her pants laughing about all this.
Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. This has all been so very odd, weird, sad, strange
I always had a love/hate with OLL (my side only, I have no idea what she thought of me, if anything)
She ripped my head off on a number of occasions and then would respond to something I posted like it had never happened. She was completely opinionated and convinced her view was the only true view. Strangely enough, she helped me to recognize that I was sometimes capable of the very behavior I saw as so awful in her, and so became an ameliorating and positive influence on me, even if inadvertently.
When OLL disappeared and Tangerine appeared, I knew almost instantly it was her. I hate to say it, but I was always waiting for the day when Tangerine would announce a big sale on Omaha steaks,just like OLL used to do and then I would absolutely know for certain that my suspicions were right. Like it mattered or matters.
She was obviously a fascinating person as she transfixed so many of us who wondered where she was, what had become of her, was she alright, etc. Perhaps she was not a well-known civil rights lawyer, or the successful author of many best-sellers, or the Washington hostess she seemed to be. I don't know that we will ever know or that we have the right to expect to know.
I am happy that Tangerine created a world of her own where she was in control for so long and I am really really sorry it ended the way it did. If it did. Even in death, Tangerine holds the upper hand and leaves that little seed of doubt.
I know that every time a new poster shows up with great debate and writing skills and an acerbic wit, I will have to fight off an urge to ask them, "Buy any Omaha steaks lately?"
Mira (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. You gave a beautiful and moving tribute, Phoebe Loosinhouse
You have deep understanding and compassionate insight.
My most shocking revelation on her death was to find that I was NOT her only best friend whom she loved the most.
She just made me feel that way, and I learned it is true for the others.
How else can the passion in the monster wake of a thread be explained, the love of those who understood, and the envy of those who kept trying to.
Out of love the ones close to her want to have her wishes respected, want to wrap her in light, and wish her well in her new digs.
We have no need to connect more dots, or tie more loose ends.
We know the life enriching force she was to us, and as a result are free to miss her and celebrate her presence as long as it lasted.
Mira (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 11:07 AM
Response to Original message
7. Let me encourage you to let it go.
Annette was real and is dead and buried.
The crass grave dance of her sister Carol was real, and her axe grinding and truth twisting is now complete.
To Hippywife: You wrote me a personal condolence message. Thanks again. Stop struggling, some things are too big to be understood.
Let's cook and bake,
Le'chayim!
To life.
hippywife (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 11:17 AM
MRS. ALFRED PACKER
Response to Reply #7
8. Good morning, Mira.
I did write you a personal message because I saw you struggling and I like you very much. I do not struggle here and wish as you, that people would let this just drop.
Let's do continue to cook and bake and share lovely photos together, dear.
Phentex (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. A discussion IS appropriate here. She was a member of this group and quite a presence here.
You are saying this sister is real. Are you saying there is any truth to what the sister wrote?
Mira (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Yes of course she is real, though I'm not sure she told her real age :)
She has truth mixed in with the venom.
I have photos of her, and of Annette and her together.
I'm real.
What needs to be discussed?
Annette's love for food was real too, but now she no longer needs any.
Phentex (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Why would she go through such effort to decieve us?
Did she spend $1000/mo on groceries? Did she prepare the elaborate foods she discussed here? She claimed to cook food for her family but they abandoned her and died in the late 90's?
Her body was found three days after her death and everyone knew her wishes about the obituary and the funeral...because she had so many people she was close to? I had TWO brothers pass away this year and there wasn't anything simple about either one. Most people are not prepared in spite of wills and plans and all the best intentions.
Her sister takes the time to google her name, create an account and provide a resume of her life? I can assure you if I died, the LAST thing my sister would be doing is googling my name. Why did the sister post her life story, the part about the parents, etc. WHY was that necessary even if she were just going to tell us that Annette was real and she died?
There are holes here. There is emotion here. You don't understand why people would talk about her?
la la (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. OLL/Tangerine/Annette et al
i was shocked and my heart dropped when i saw the posts from her sister Carol--Annette's sister has not seen her in probably 30 years---i think that's one of the reasons Annette was cautious about her info being 'out there'. Her sister DID stalk her pretty much every where she posted---even participated in the shutting down of other message boards--because annette posted on them.
Annette disabled the comments on her website mainly because of her sister.
Carol has serious issues- mental problems being many of the issues---and has had them with Annette since childhood. What 'Wabansia'/Carol posted here was the exact----EXACT same thing she has posted elsewhere - for many years- about Annette--family issues, parent issues, etc. Annette knew some serious incidents with Carol's husband in the past---and that also sent Carol into huge fits of mental instability/rage/hate against annette.
Carol/'Wabansia' had a cousin 'google' Annette ( which she did constantly---why she didn't do it herself- i don't know--probably another mental issue) and came here to DU--joined, just to tarnish the memory of another DUer--whether she was TSed/disliked/loved---whatever. Carol pretty much worships at the feet of the unmentionable rush- and should not be posting on DU at all.
This is what pisses me off about the entire thing---i've asked admins twice to delete 'Wabansia'/Carols posts- and it remains to be seen if it will be done.
Her coming here and posting is a slap in the face to every Democrat here.
rzemanfl (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. I had an address for Tangerine/Lefty that I sent things to addressed to "occupant"-among them were thumb drives that had music on them, she would return them to me with different music on them, so I have no doubt she lived there.
After that vile post last night I googled that address for the first time. It is very much as she described the place to me and very high-end for a "grifter" who "never worked." I posted photos of this building, which is assessed at 43 million dollars, this morning but the thread was locked. The sister is real...ly batshit crazy. I knew of her for years, but not how totally crazy she was-I thought she was merely a right-winger.
NashVegas (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. It's Appropriate to Question
Some of us have tangled with OLL, with varying impressions.
My exchanges with TlB were wonderful in this forum, outside of it, quite mixed. She was an interesting, occasionally entertaining, character who didn't like being called on her shit, that's about all I can say.
One has the right to misrepresent themselves on a message board.
One does not that the right to decide how others will react to it. You cannot insert yourself into a community and dictate how the community will receive you. Not for very long.
elleng (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. Hi, Mira.
Difficult to believe all of this!
For whatever its worth, worth less for you probably than others, I'm confident she was a competent attorney, as we had a number of discussions on the subject, so to that extent, my 'testimony' argues against some of the negative stuff put forth.
I'm hoping to close this book for myself; will let you know if I dream about it.
Tab (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:03 PM
THE DIET COLA PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message
19. Somehow I missed this part of the controversy
Although I'm getting it now. I did wonder why the mods locked the thread at my post where I clarified to someone that she wasn't TS'd, but was dead, but now I see there's way more to the story.
Generally DU frowns on speculation of former members, certainly disallows it if they were TS'd, tolerates it if it was an honest death (like Kephra) but this falls in the cracks somewhere and we're a subforum, so...
I'm not a professional psychologist, although I've had my fingers full with certain abnormal cases, but something about this strikes me of DID. That's Disassociative Identify Disorder, or what we used to call Split Personality (the name got an upgrade). That's the only want I can see the total encompassing, perhaps for years, and the switch to different embodiments, still with a common thread, and the cracked sister popping out of the closet when other personalities get strangled. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like. May a certified psychiatrist or psychologist correct me please.
As a former mod, I will just say we saw our share of people coming in under different personalities and identities, but it was the very rare person who would keep it up for a long period of time, and no one, to my knowledge, did it in this fashion or to this degree. This is why I think there's an actual psychological disorder at play here, keeping that the rest of the posts on the matter and encounters are basically true.
rzemanfl (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. So what you are saying is that Annette told me several years ago about her crazy sister and mentioned her from time to time so that after she was dead she could come back to life as her crazy sister and slander herself?
Mira (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Must I mention again I have a photo of the two of them together. Correct age difference, two different looking but obviously related little girls......
rzemanfl (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. Oh, and by the way, if there was a difference in "personality" between Old Leftie Lawyer and Tangerine LaBamba I would sure like you to show it to me.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:42 PM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #19
27. Yes. That occurred to me as well. Especially considering that one of these incarnations was a friend and that the latest/last one was extremely abusive. It was clearly the same individual but not the same individual. Sad all the way around.
la la (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. annette had one sister, who, as she has 'outed' herself here, is- in my book- certifiably crazy....and i've known that for years.
annette tried to distance herself from her sister, because of her sister's mental issues, i've already mentioned that.
annette's sister, carol, along with having mental issues was very jealous of annette---annette had the chances/choices because of her intellect---her sister carol did not. carol married a boy from 'home' , who managed to treat her poorly ( yes, even though in her profile, she mentions---in caps of all things--that's she's been married to happily for 49 years --this is another phrase that she constantly uses---'married happily' who gives a .....) anywayS, back to the sister issues. annette became a 'success'---carol did not---annette had a life, carol apparently didn't.
carol always thought that anyone who made sense, had something worthwhile to say---something in the DEMOCRATIC vein ;> was annette----she accused me of being/posting as annette many times---if only i could write like annette---and had the intelligence like annette....
whatever issues annette might have had---they were pale beside the issues of her sister, carol/wabanisa- who was hovering and ready to spring up out of her personal hades to get back at her sister.
i really am trying to let this go---but it won't until carol/wabanisa is out of the DU picture.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 04:01 PM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #28
29. "Carol" seems to be a very competent writer, herself.
Did anyone catch the "sister" thread?
I think we all did, thanks to our esteemed colleague zeitgeist.Chit...I missed it..I tried the link..but it didn't work
It's been quoted at least a couple of times here, but I disremember where.
Chit...I missed it..I tried the link..but it didn't work
And all this is a cooking and baking thread? Hahaha...I love it.
I agree with DUmmy hippywife (god, did I say that?). The whole thing has been a hoax from the word go.
Only time will tell.If she's good, time won't tell - we'll never know. But it would be great if TLB's imaginary sister came here! She could team up with the Las Vegas Leviathan's imaginary wife. The tales they could tell!
I wonder if we could entice the sister to come here?
Even if this is all bullshit, it's still funny.
I'm not backing down on my original assessment of Tangerine LaBamba, sir, but it is starting to seem to me that whereas I had thought myself on solid ground, well, the ground's actually a little semi-liquid.
Time will tell, which is why I wish the sister, or one of the primitives who was a friend with Tangerine LaBamba, would show up here.
I mean, unlike the primitives, we aren't mean people here.
Can someone with DUmp access get all of Wabansia's posts? She made 8 posts there.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 06:27 PM
Response to Original message
732. I AM ANNETTE APPOLLO'S OLDER SISTER (69 YEARS OLD)
FYI, Annette Appollo committed suicide (by prescription drug overdose) on 12/23/09. She was going to be evicted from her apt. the next day for non-payment of rent. Her parents and I constituted her immediate family. Dad was a postal worker; mom was a dress factory machine operator. They saved every cent they could toward our education. I did not want to go to college (to their disappointment; every WWII era parent dreamed their kids would go to college). Instead I went to business school. Annette, though later found to be mentally fragile, was very intelligent, valedictorian of her high school class (albeit a class of only 95) and earning a fully paid scholastic scholarship to Temple Univ., Phila. where she first became exposed to the lifestyles of the 'rich and famous'. She mingled with kids from wealthy backgrounds and began to emulate them, grades slipped, she was thrown out. After two more colleges (paid for with my parents' hard-earned money), they finally got her through an undergrad degree. She married one of her professors, Dr. Lawrence Porter (20+ years older than she), moved to Wash., DC, was accepted into the law school of Catholic Univ. (again, parents' money). Larry accepted a job with Livermore Labs, Walnut Creek, Calif. She didn't like Calif., cooked up the story that he was cheating on her and returned home. Parents paid for divorce (marriage lasted two or three years). Parents then subsidized her until approximately 1980 (meanwhile I and my husband were being transferred all over the country and the world by his employer (Haliburton, the name you folks love to hate). Finally I learned in late 1981 that she had abandoned them and, after dad called on a local friend's son who was a detective in the Wash., DC area to check her apt. and, upon her learning of this, dad receiving a letter from her lawyer threatening a lawsuit for harrassment if he continued to try to contact her, I took over looking after them, making the trip cross country on holidays, seeing that they were OK, etc. In 1991 we left Chicago and returned to the old homestead, at my dad's request, because he'd been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease and dementia simultaneously. He died in 1995, mother died in 1998. Annette monitored all of this through relatives (who I never knew), but her lawyer did call one day and ask how my dad was....dad had died the day before. She was a very emotionally disturbed individual. Combine that feature with being a grifter (to the best of our knowledge she never worked a day in her life as evidenced by the remarks of her apt. bldg. mgr. who found her body (three days after she committed suicide) and her will next to her naming him executor of her 'estate'. He said she had $400 in her checking account and, in going through her records, had never contributed one cent to Soc. Security.
To those who loved her, I thank you because I've never known anyone who did, except my parents. To those to whom she was mean and rude, I apologize. We both came from a wonderful and caring family...a family that gave her everything, but when they refused to continue to pay her way at age 35, she abandoned them. She always wanted to be rich and famous, made up stories about being rich and famous, really did get a book published but it didn't sell at all. The apt. mgr. said there was a recently received letter from her publisher on her desk indicating that she'd submitted a manuscript that she hoped would be published. It was a turn-down letter, stating that the manuscript seemed to be a 'memoir, and a bad one at that'. As always, it was all about Annette.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #298
736. Annette Appollo
I am her older sister. Your uncle Larry Porter, PhD, was a nice man and totally bambozzled by her. Read my post much farther down the line. She committed suicide on 12/23/09. If Larry is still around, please let him know. The apt. bldg. mgr. found my name and number along with only his name. The mgr. recalled her mentioning she had a sister named 'Carol' and that sometimes she used the surname 'Porter'. He wanted to let your uncle know she'd committed suicide.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #60
737. Annette Appollo
See my post below. I'm her older sister. Since her suicide was investigated by detectives, her body removed to the city morgue and autopsied because it wasn't a 'natural death', she was buried by the city the next day. There were no obits, though she did take the time to type 'deceased' next to her name as a Nasson College alumnae. So there is nowhere to send flowers. I'm sure that your remembering her kindly will suffice.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #188
738. Annette Appollo
I'm her older sister and only living member of her immediate family. My dad was Italian and my mom was Polish (maiden name Bosukewicz). Being half Jewish was another of her lies. We were both raised in the Catholic faith which forbids suicide which she committed (prescription drug overdose) on 12/23/09, body discovered by apt. bldg. mgr. three days later. Poor guy is still trying to get over sight and smell.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #735
740. Annette Appollo
No, not painful at all. She was a diagnosed sociopath and manic depressive, and she's finally out of her misery. She had no contact with her immediate family (me, mom, dad) for 35 years, and when dad did attempt to reconcile, she had her atty. send him a letter threatening to sue him for harassment. My parents (both dead now) were not very sophisticated people and were easily frightened by things like threatening letters from lawyers. It was a cruel thing to do, but for as charming and delightful and she could be, she could be much more cruel.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #543
742. No condolences necessary.
As her older sister, I'm the last member of her immediate family (me, mom and dad both dead now). See my post below describing her suicide. She chose to be estranged from us for 35 years because parents refused to support her financially any longer, after putting her through law school and, frankly, we were all sick to death of her bullshit. As a diagnosed socipath and manic deperessive, she's finally out of her misery and the misery she caused others.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #744
745. Here's how.
My only cousin Googled her name and emailed me. I decided to dispel any myths and replace them with facts. My cousin, my husband and I are the only ones still alive who can do so.
Wabansia (8 posts) Fri Jan-01-10 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #743
747. ,,,,and how wonderful! Fabulous compay for which to work...
I am the antithesis of Annette. I'm on this site because my cousin Googled her name and came up with it, so I decided to dispel any myths with facts. To those who remember her kindly (on days when she may have taken her meds), thank you. To those who suffered her insults, haughtiness and long, mostly boring lectures, I apologize for my family.
Thanks, miskie. BTW, I edited your post to put them in chronological order.
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oh boy :tinfoil2:
I'm not knocking Oceander. This story just gets weirder and weirder. I sure would like to know what really happened here.
I'm not knocking Oceander. This story just gets weirder and weirder. I sure would like to know what really happened here.
I'm in the middle of rebuilding my image and music PC (I'm typing this on my game system, a heavily modified arcade game machine) and will be more than happy to give this image a once over myself once I have my tools back. - Itll be a Q8400 Core2 Quad once I'm done - parts are on the way.
The computer keeled over a few months back, but since we were coming into Christmas, I didn't have the disposable income to invest in a rebuild. ill be thrilled to no longer type messages on a 27 inch low resolution display device. Great for games - horrible for the web.
Tab (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:03 PM
THE DIET COLA PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message
19. Somehow I missed this part of the controversy
Although I'm getting it now. I did wonder why the mods locked the thread at my post where I clarified to someone that she wasn't TS'd, but was dead, but now I see there's way more to the story.
Generally DU frowns on speculation of former members, certainly disallows it if they were TS'd, tolerates it if it was an honest death (like Kephra) but this falls in the cracks somewhere and we're a subforum, so...
I'm not a professional psychologist, although I've had my fingers full with certain abnormal cases, but something about this strikes me of DID. That's Disassociative Identify Disorder, or what we used to call Split Personality (the name got an upgrade). That's the only want I can see the total encompassing, perhaps for years, and the switch to different embodiments, still with a common thread, and the cracked sister popping out of the closet when other personalities get strangled. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like. May a certified psychiatrist or psychologist correct me please.
As a former mod, I will just say we saw our share of people coming in under different personalities and identities, but it was the very rare person who would keep it up for a long period of time, and no one, to my knowledge, did it in this fashion or to this degree. This is why I think there's an actual psychological disorder at play here, keeping that the rest of the posts on the matter and encounters are basically true.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:42 PM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #19
27. Yes. That occurred to me as well. Especially considering that one of these incarnations was a friend and that the latest/last one was extremely abusive. It was clearly the same individual but not the same individual. Sad all the way around.
la la (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. annette had one sister, who, as she has 'outed' herself here, is- in my book- certifiably crazy....and i've known that for years.
annette tried to distance herself from her sister, because of her sister's mental issues, i've already mentioned that.
annette's sister, carol, along with having mental issues was very jealous of annette---annette had the chances/choices because of her intellect---her sister carol did not. carol married a boy from 'home' , who managed to treat her poorly ( yes, even though in her profile, she mentions---in caps of all things--that's she's been married to happily for 49 years --this is another phrase that she constantly uses---'married happily' who gives a .....) anywayS, back to the sister issues. annette became a 'success'---carol did not---annette had a life, carol apparently didn't.
carol always thought that anyone who made sense, had something worthwhile to say---something in the DEMOCRATIC vein ;> was annette----she accused me of being/posting as annette many times---if only i could write like annette---and had the intelligence like annette....
whatever issues annette might have had---they were pale beside the issues of her sister, carol/wabanisa- who was hovering and ready to spring up out of her personal hades to get back at her sister.
i really am trying to let this go---but it won't until carol/wabanisa is out of the DU picture.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 04:01 PM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #28
29. "Carol" seems to be a very competent writer, herself.
la la (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. she's practiced that 'bit' for years---word for word---she should get it right---and i'm not being sarcastic---i can't count the number of times over the years that she's posted that exact same info- phrased the same way, etc--in various and sundry message boards----always to diss annette. over and over and over........
she even called herself 'dis' on some of the boards---when she wasn't having her 'happily married spouse' posting for her---or changing her posting name to something else---but she was so easy to decipher---everyone on any particular message board knew it was either her or the hubby.
annette was snarky---but carol is evil, jealous, dense and getting back atcha snarky....the hate and jealousy has been percolating in her a long time- probably since annette was born , and i think most of the readers here know what happens to people when they allow that to occur.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 05:52 PM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #30
32. Well, that is one side of a story.
There seems to have been a bit of "practice" on both/all sides of this.
I've mentioned before that I moderated a mental health group for families and everyone in the family was welcomed to post there. We had more than one person who was DID. And we also had one much beloved member who turned out to actually suffer from all the behaviors/problems that he'd been recounting about his wife for four years.
This was someone I knew IRL, whom I met, whom we traveled with for meetups in other states. A charming, gentle and very talented musician.
I didn't care about him less after that. But it was a good lesson in how little it's possible to really know about such a complicated situation even when you are in the same room with it.
la la (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. i've mentioned maybe here--but on DU elsewhere that annette DID have issues.
i'm not really appreciating someone who is not a mental health practitioner deciding/diagnosing what the problems were with annette and her sister, and doing it here.
but--then- that's me and i pretty much did know what was going on.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 07:39 PM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #34
35. Right. If you look at my post again you'll notice that I pretty carefully didn't diagnose or decide but simply related my experience to you. There was no offense or judgment intended.
Mira (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Here is a snippet in Annette's words:
She was explaining her sister Carol to me.
quote from a letter to me many months ago:
"I couldn't trust her, and everything she did was with the intention of undermining me. No matter what.
When I left my husband - a man she'd met twice, maybe three times - she called him to tell him that he was far better off without me. Even he - a prick - was appalled by her. That's what she did then."
You see, folks, this was when Annette was about 23 or so. Carol was on a tear already in her late twenties to bring harm to Annette.
Annette married this man Lawrence Porter, her teacher, at 20 or so, he had two children and was 20 years older.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 12:43 AM
DOUG'S EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #33
37. And I wonder how you can take the word of someone who lied so many times as true?
Nice system! Not running the new Nehalem/i7 processors? Or am I just woefully out-of-date with Intel's number system now?
I'm running on an HP 17" laptop that's got a nice little P8600@2.4GHz - picked it up for about $1,100 all in 6 months ago and, considering everything else it has in it, it was a sleeper of a deal. Much, much better, at any rate, than my last system, which was a 2003 vintage Sony VAIO Z1A with a banias-class centrino cpu in it (1.3GHz - even the gerbils were faster).