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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Chris_ on January 01, 2010, 01:10:18 AM
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 04:16 PM
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My father-in-law had to lower his pants for airport security
He was wearing a knee brace under his blue jeans. He couldn't remove it to show security because the jeans were straight leg. So they told him to drop the pants.
He's 80 years old.
And they're off !!!
madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 04:53 PM
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3. It's a money making scam for the halliburton's of the world. Just remember,
the next time you are at the airport on a trip, each time you have to take your shoes off, Dick Cheney makes a dollar.
Did ya'll know about that ? :-)
dembotoz (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 05:39 PM
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5. if they have the power to make people take off their clothes
perhaps i am in the wrong line of work
:lmao:
Auggie (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 06:04 PM
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6. Some day there will be an anal cavity search
In your dreams Auggie !
old mark (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 06:25 PM
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7. They seem to catch a lot of 80 year old Americans, especially those
in wheelchairs. Bunch of assholes going through the motions, and any good they accomplish is by accident.
mark
It's only the old hippy types Mark. The ones that think they're special and raise a stink.
crispini (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 06:34 PM
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8. You have GOT to be kidding.
Tell me this did not occur in public.
As if. Auggie wanted you to think it so he forgot to mention it in his post. Let the outrage begin !
Auggie (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 07:33 PM
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13. He said they took him to a private room
:thatsright: Thought so.
sarge43 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 06:36 PM
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9. He should have mooned them.
"Oh sorry. Just the blue jeans then?"
Go ahead, be funny.
valerief (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 06:46 PM
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10. He should have pissed on them. nt
Sure Val. :whatever: Is that something you would do ? Always the lady.
Auggie (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 07:34 PM
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14. I'll tell him that...
he'll get a kick out of your suggestion
He should kick your behind for even thinking something so nasty.
MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 07:02 PM
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11. This is ridiculous, racial profile the right group of people and
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 07:03 PM by MadMaddie
stop playing political correctness and implement the rules like Israel does. This terrorist didn't have a passport, he paid cash for a 1 way ticket, he didn't check any luggage....does anyone need any more red flags? WTF?
MADDIE !!!!!!! How dare you even suggest such a thing !
JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 07:51 PM
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15. No
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 07:55 PM by JonLP24
I'm not favor of harrasement and the loss of civil liberties of the vast majority of law biding middle eastern/west Asian/Muslim citizens over the idea a small percentage are terrorists. In fact many serve in the armed forces.
Also there are white terrorists such as the KKK, McVeigh, and so forth.
Tell her Jon ! All those white people blowing up planes !
MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 08:29 PM
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17. The terrorist that committed the 9/11 attrocity fit the same
profile, whether it was racial, a certain region of the world etc. Yemen is part of that profile.
What would have happened if they would have profiled this guy? They would see red flags, he paid cash only, he had no luggage, his father reported him being radicalized against the US.....
Yes, the same for the KKK or any other groups if individuals fit those profiles they should be looked at even closer. Timothy McVeigh had all of the markers of a threat to the US but because he was a white Christian he didn't make a blip on the radar.
That is the problem with profiling it has to be done across the board not just selected groups.
Yes, there are many Yemini and Muslim innocents but they wouldn't meet the red flags that I mentioned above. Now having said that yes there are flaws but what are the alternatives? Israel does not experience these incidents, have you ever pondered why? That's right - they profile everyone.
There is profiling going on in my own neighborhood daily. I'm not offended. It keeps crime down.
Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-29-09 02:39 AM
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22. Racial profiling is highly ineffective and morally wrong.
Edited on Tue Dec-29-09 02:43 AM by Starbucks Anarchist
Even based on the incorrect assumption that all terrorists are Arabs, many non-Arabs would be caught up in the dragnet -- those that "look like" what people think Arabs look like. It's a horrible idea.
Behaviorally profiling someone, on the other hand, is acceptable and should be practiced.
EDIT: And I think airport security harassing senior citizens and children is beyond stupid.
No it's not ineffective and morally wrong. You only see what you want to see. The facts state otherwise. Starbucks Anarchist, you make me laugh with your bad self. You big sissy.
Initech (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 07:10 PM
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12. Wow. I'm at PHX right now and didn't have to do anything differently.
That's because the story is probably a lie.
Boudica the Lyoness (665 posts) Tue Dec-29-09 02:10 AM
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19. My mother in law was in a wheel chair.
She is so tiny and frail, 85 yrs old, has two knees and two hips replaced and has had a stroke. She can walk a little if helped by a person or a walker but I still couldn't believe my eyes when I saw them make her get up from her wheelchair and walk through the metal detector.
I'd have to have another eye witness to that before I believe you. Sorry.
LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-29-09 02:22 AM
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20. At the Seattle airport I saw a woman much like your mother-in-law - tiny,
frail, and wheelchair bound. This particular woman was hunched over and looked completely "out of it." There was no way she could get up out of the wheelchair. Instead they wheeled her through the metal detector and then proceeded to yank off her shoes, hoist her up by her arms and wand her up and down. I'll never forget the terror in her eyes. Her daughter had been instructed to stand back, but she was crying and pleading with the TSA goons from a distance, explaining that her mother had Alzheimer's and begging them to leave her alone. It was one of the most pathetic, cruel things I've ever witnessed.
No aged Alzheimer's victim is going to be plotting to take down an airliner. Whatever happened to common sense?
Yet you did nothing to help or stop it ? Come on now.
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-28-09 04:16 PM
Original message
My father-in-law had to lower his pants for airport security
He was wearing a knee brace under his blue jeans. He couldn't remove it to show security because the jeans were straight leg. So they told him to drop the pants.
He's 80 years old.
Original post is a plagerized bouncy: Joe Pags was talking about a remarkably similar incident while he was filling in on the Glenn Beck show this morning. Happened to a family member of his a few years ago.
DUmmy Auggie is going to be on the short list for a granite cookie when the rest of the Primitives discover where that bouncy was stolen from.
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Boudica the Lyoness (665 posts) Tue Dec-29-09 02:10 AM
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19. My mother in law was in a wheel chair.
She is so tiny and frail, 85 yrs old, has two knees and two hips replaced and has had a stroke. She can walk a little if helped by a person or a walker but I still couldn't believe my eyes when I saw them make her get up from her wheelchair and walk through the metal detector.
well, your Mom-in-Law would not have gotten those new knees and hips under ObamaCare.
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Ain't this the same bunch that raised hell for unionized government workers to work airport security?
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well, your Mom-in-Law would not have gotten those new knees and hips under ObamaCare.
That's what I was thinking. If she is too frail to walk, replacing both hips and knees was a waste of money.If they were causing her pain, then pills would have been cheaper. [/0Bamacare]
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That's what I was thinking. If she is too frail to walk, replacing both hips and knees was a waste of money.If they were causing her pain, then pills would have been cheaper. [/0Bamacare]
This practice makes the security look good.
Young healthy folks that board a plane are checked out, takes about 2 minutes or so. No problem, millions of these people pass on to the planes, no problem.
Sooner or later someoneone in security will decide to cut back on workers as there had been no problem in months. Workers are not stupid, when a big supervisor is in their area, they have to make or justify their employment. Mothers will have to unwrap infants so security found no bombs in the diaper. Got to look very busy and vital to the security, old folks are prime as they complain and raise heck and show that 2 people not[ one] are needed at that gate.
AND THE GAMES PEOPLE PLAY NOW, EVERY NIGHT AND EVERY DAY NOW.
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And my son (lily white Marine) gets tagged about every other time and always on the rare occasions he flies in his uniform. OTH, if it's for Dick Cheney, I'd do it.
Cindie
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Uh, vesta? Slow times at the airport don't mean squat. They're GOVERNMENT WORKERS. They've got the closest thing to guaranteed lifetime employment you'll find in this country.
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Hell, I got tagged for a secondary search only because we changed a friend with our party for a vacation in Mazatlan. The original passenger wasn't able to go.
Profiling DOES work, just look at El Al. They don't use a lot of high tech stuff. Instead, they have people that monitor the passengers, looking for key traits of the terrorists. This airline wanna be bomber should have never been allowed on an aircraft bound for the US. There were too many things overlooked.
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Uh, vesta? Slow times at the airport don't mean squat. They're GOVERNMENT WORKERS. They've got the closest thing to guaranteed lifetime employment you'll find in this country.
Not only that but Napolitano favors unionizing the TSA. TSA appointee Erroll Southers has refused to say where he stands on the issue. That is one reason for oppositon to him.
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Not only that but Napolitano favors unionizing the TSA. TSA appointee Erroll Southers has refused to say where he stands on the issue. That is one reason for oppositon to him.
I am not real sure unionizing them would make them any more incompetent than they currently are. :rotf: Just for the heck of it are Customs workers unionized?
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I am not real sure unionizing them would make them any more incompetent than they currently are. :rotf: Just for the heck of it are Customs workers unionized?
It may not lower their competency any more, but it will make it utterly impossible to remove them and replace them with someone even a smidge more competent, like, say, some granite boulders.
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It may not lower their competency any more, but it will make it utterly impossible to remove them and replace them with someone even a smidge more competent, like, say, some granite boulders.
President Reagan didn't seem to have much difficulty. :naughty: Just sayin'...
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President Reagan didn't seem to have much difficulty. :naughty: Just sayin'...
He did have some difficulty nonetheless, and those difficulties have just increased since then, not decreased.
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He did have some difficulty nonetheless, and those difficulties have just increased since then, not decreased.
The only reason that the "difficulties" have increased, is that Americans have gotten more lily-livered and pussified in the face of union extortion since Ronaldus Magnus, not less.
All it takes is one, standing up to the Union thug's extortion racket, telling 'em "the door is that way", and all of a sudden, whaddaya know, sanity rules once again.
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He did have some difficulty nonetheless, and those difficulties have just increased since then, not decreased.
Displacing an entrenched, unionized, federal employee is a chore but can be done, it is no more difficult than a non unionized federal employee. But yes, it is more difficult than in the private sector. It requires persistence and mountains of documentation which is why it occurs so infrequently. What Reagan did was an astounding feat. BTW DAV are the most difficult to remove but that too can be done.
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Displacing an entrenched, unionized, federal employee is a chore but can be done, it is no more difficult than a non unionized federal employee. But yes, it is more difficult than in the private sector. It requires persistence and mountains of documentation which is why it occurs so infrequently. What Reagan did was an astounding feat. BTW DAV are the most difficult to remove but that too can be done.
Getting rid of a unionized employee is almost always more difficult than getting rid of a non-unionized employee - why else have unions in the first place?
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Getting rid of a unionized employee is almost always more difficult than getting rid of a non-unionized employee - why else have unions in the first place?
Strictly as a devil's advocate, collective bargaining in terms of wage and work conditions ( health and safety ). That unions have gone far a field this mandate in recent years is both obvious and odious. I see no reason why any government facility should be unionized whether local, state or federal. Were unions once needed? Maybe, but I am skeptical they still are given the amount of 'labor law' now in place.
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Strictly as a devil's advocate, collective bargaining in terms of wage and work conditions ( health and safety ). That unions have gone far a field this mandate in recent years is both obvious and odious. I see no reason why any government facility should be unionized whether local, state or federal. Were unions once needed? Maybe, but I am skeptical they still are given the amount of 'labor law' now in place.
I don't think unions are necessary in any government positions, they are already covered by enough rules for health , safety, retirement and whatnot. Everything the unions push for from the government is just pork for the unions.
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It's epidemic !
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-01-10 12:52 PM
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So apparently my uncle is still a wanted man..
umm...He's 73, walks with a cane,more often in a wheelchair, bad eyesight, practically blind in one eye from recent surgery while it heals..His crime? Being named Robert Johnson at birth...which matches a name on No-Fly list..I filled out a DHS Trip for him a while back to resolve the problem of him being flagged everytime he flew back home to the US, but he was still detained for a few hours yesterday - agents that informed him as long as he flew it was just an inconvenience he would have to put up with"They'd hate to let the actual Robert Johnson they were looking for slip through their fingers"..oh yeah..he and his family totally missed their flight..again. Luckily, I had enough hotel reward points to be able to put them up in a nearby airport hotel for the night, a man that age should not have to sleep on the hard cold floors of an airport on New Years Eve
So :lmao: did it even cross your mind to go and get him ? You know, take him to YOUR house ? Oh that's right. You only cook hotpockets. You have no money for real food.
More feigned outrage follows. Too boring to post.
HipChick (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-01-10 02:57 PM
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16. He was detained for hours..meanwhile the plane left..
He even gets to the airport early because this has happened so frequently...
What to do, what to do ?
File a lawsuit !
MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-01-10 02:30 PM
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13. Ridiculous, I hope your uncle and you get a lawyer to fight this nonsense.
How many Robert Johnsons are out there, good grief.
Why not use facial recognition, fingerprints or some other way to eliminate the wrong people.
Because Maddie, it costs too much. How much are you willing to shell out for that kind of service ? Somebody has to pay for it.
HipChick (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-01-10 03:04 PM
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18. It's at times like this that I'm glad I have a name that sounds like an Italian Anti-pasto
Okay.
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Uh, Vesta? Slow times at the airport don't mean squat. They're GOVERNMENT WORKERS. They've got the closest thing to guaranteed lifetime employment you'll find in this country.
How do you Sparky explain the lay offs at our local ship yard.?? They the workers have a Union to pay dues to, for all the good it does them as they cannot strike.
Newport News has had massive lay offs in the mid 1980's, soon as a Carrier was built, half the workers were let go.
In some yards not going to mention names it goes like this. A kid goes into the military for 8 years or so, gets out and takes their skills to a shipyard, their military time is automatic on the books, day one they have 8 years seniority.
A slow time is coming, supervisors may have go back to their tools for a while, the politics is ruthless, who knows who, who is related to whom, who belongs to what Lodge or civic group.
Lots to say about government workers and job security, but that security is not for outsiders or for those that are well qualified for a job but don't bother to put down big Anchors to the comunity.
Ah the water front, the seat of the biggest skulduggery known since man had to pay a tribute to float up stream on a raft with pelts and shells to trade.
This is what we know about government workers, they can be bought, sold and run off not because of what they know but who they know.
A knowledgeable person in any trade are a dime a dozen, a job opening will pull in 200 people with the same education and experience, but the one that gets the job will have backing from the comunity, friends and family.
A big different world from what people who live off coast are use to. Government jobs are not all alike some will get you a living wage, others will make you a millionaire. It is up to the individual how to play the game of LIFE.
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How do you Sparky explain the lay offs at our local ship yard.??
The democrats always cut defense first.