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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Chris on December 28, 2009, 10:01:13 PM
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Last Thursday, December 17, 2009, The White House released an Executive Order "Amending Executive Order 12425." It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other "International Organizations" as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.
By removing language from President Reagan's 1983 Executive Order 12425, this international law enforcement body now operates on American soil beyond the reach of our own top law enforcement arm, the FBI, and is immune from Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests.
Section 2c of the United States International Organizations Immunities Act reads:
Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. (Emphasis added.)
Inviolable archives means INTERPOL records are beyond US citizens' Freedom of Information Act requests and from American legal or investigative discovery. Property and assets being immune from search and confiscation means precisely that. Wherever they may be in the United States. This could conceivably include human assets - Americans arrested on our soil by INTERPOL officers.
http://threatswatch.org/analysis/2009/12/print/wither_sovereignty/
You just can't make up how brazen this crowd is. One week ago, President Obama quietly signed an executive order that makes an international police force immune from the restraints of American law.
Why would we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files which, therefore, will be beyond the ability of Congress, American law-enforcement, the media, and the American people to scrutinize?
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=
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Lord Zero needs somewhere to keep his birth certificate and college records safe from prying eyes. :-)
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Why would he reverse something Reagan did...what information does Interpol have that Obama doesn't want leaked?
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Why would he reverse something Reagan did...what information does Interpol have that Obama doesn't want leaked?
Information on all the enemies of 'socialism'....in other words, they're here to spy on all of Obama's and the democrats enemies....me and you.
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Information on all the enemies of 'socialism'....in other words, they're here to spy on all of Obama's and the democrats enemies....me and you.
And they can arrest Americans for things that are not currently crimes on American soil.
This could seriously pave the way for Saudis to arrest and remove from America people who convert away from islam...or people who have images of Mohamed on their computers.
The EU could arrest US soldiers for trial and take them to Europe.
The UN can arrest Americans for free speech crimes on behalf of 3rd world despots.
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And they can arrest Americans for things that are not currently crimes on American soil.
This could seriously pave the way for Saudis to arrest and remove from America people who convert away from islam...or people who have images of Mohamed on their computers.
The EU could arrest US soldiers for trial and take them to Europe.
The UN can arrest Americans for free speech crimes on behalf of 3rd world despots.
Three other letters . . .
ICC
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But CIA officers, Predator drone pilots and US SOCOM personnel acting on his orders have no guarantees they won't be charged with crimes or handed over to international bodies with whom we have no ratified treaties.
FYI - Many of the UN/leftard internationalist set consider commando ops against terrorists to be extra-judicial killings and Obama has remained silent rather than disabuse them of their fallacy.
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Sorry, kids--overreaction time. Interpol has no arrest authority. They're an information clearinghouse, nothing more. Jonn over at TAH explains it better than I could:
LINK (http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=16322#comments)
As far as I can read it, it exempts their incomes from US taxation if they're foreign nationals, nothing more.
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Seems innocent enough on its face, Sparky, but I just don't trust the bastard.
How much more surreptitious shit is he pulling, quietly and without fanfare?
He's the guy who firmly believes in the U.N. "one world, one government" horseshit (quotes are mine), so I can very well imagine some behind-the-scenes pen-waving that slowly, gradually, over time, chips away at our sovereignty.
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It kinda makes you wonder if this Administration is setting it up so Foreign Powers can try President Bush and his Administration on War Crimes just my thoughts.
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From what I've been reading, Interpol used to be subject to FOIA, now they are not. That could free them up to carry out all sorts of information gathering activities with no possible repercussions. It sets them up to be the intel agency for Lord Zero's brownshirts.
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It kinda makes you wonder if this Administration is setting it up so Foreign Powers can try President Bush and his Administration on War Crimes just my thoughts.
If they want to go down that road, they had better be prepared to "reap the whirlwind" that will follow. It will be bloody, and it will not end well for the Left.
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FOIA never applied to Interpol (As distinct from any US participation in it) anyway, it only covers instrumentalities of the Federal government and nothing else. However, this change does make their records immune from civil or criminal discovery, and also untouchable by search warrant.
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If they want to go down that road, they had better be prepared to "reap the whirlwind" that will follow. It will be bloody, and it will not end well for the Left.
I wonder just how powerful this Democrat Admin. has come to think they are after all the things they have done in the past month or so.
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FOIA never applied to Interpol (As distinct from any US participation in it) anyway, it only covers instrumentalities of the Federal government and nothing else. However, this change does make their records immune from civil or criminal discovery, and also untouchable by search warrant.
They operated through the DOJ, which effectively put them under FOIA. They will still be operating under the DOJ, and that worries me given the way Holder has acted.
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They operated through the DOJ, which effectively put them under FOIA. They will still be operating under the DOJ, and that worries me given the way Holder has acted.
I agree I think Holder is the most dangerous of all the people esp. in his position.
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From what I've been reading, Interpol used to be subject to FOIA, now they are not. That could free them up to carry out all sorts of information gathering activities with no possible repercussions. It sets them up to be the intel agency for Lord Zero's brownshirts.
With an $80 million annual worldwide budget? Not fricken likely.
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With an $80 million annual worldwide budget? Not fricken likely.
There is still a substantial chunk of the Porkulous Funding left.
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From what I have gathered, after listening to some of the talk shows, this won't hold up to Constitutional muster. In other words "Hoax and Chains" doesn't have the power he thinks he does with these presidential decrees.
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From what I have gathered, after listening to some of the talk shows, this won't hold up to Constitutional muster. In other words "Hoax and Chains" doesn't have the power he thinks he does with these presidential decrees.
Remember the Clinton years and the words of Paul Begala..."Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Pretty cool."
You think Obama is the first or only one?
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If they want to go down that road, they had better be prepared to "reap the whirlwind" that will follow. It will be bloody, and it will not end well for the Left.
Crap Blue, looks like we are against a rock and a hard place here.
You and a few 100,000 people with nothing left to loose may finally decide enough is enough but you need a leader. You need Money, you need team work and a formal agreed upon set of the interests one is asked to give their life for.
I don't know if it is too late to turn this and time backward, to refuse to march into the river as Lemmings. Over the Cliff with sheep.
We no longer have the society that once was, a common goal, everyone now seems to think they can indeed make it on their own with no responsibility to anyone but themselves.
From where I sit at this time, I cannot find even one politician I would trust, so much for HOPE.
Outside of my own Faith, not one other I would trust, so much for Faith.
As to giving to Charity's when the President of that Charity is given a salary that is 1/4 the income, so much for Charity.
It is 5 degrees out with the wind gusting to 50 mph. Were someone to bang on my door, tell Hubby there was going to be a meeting at the court house over some law or bill, even with a heater in the Jeep and clear roads Hubby would go back to bed.
There is not much that will get anyone now a days out on a night like tonight. If something comes up and to protest causes you a bit of strange or even abominable,, wait until warm weather, the problem will not just go away, or will it.?
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Cold weather pretty much downed the Nazis during WWII. I think we are going to have to get into the mindset George Washington did at Valley Forge. Maybe your man wouldn't go out into the cold, but up here it is a way of life. I'd pack my powder and be out the door! We're going to get to the point where we have to make a choice. Freedom or Tyranny!
The Founding Fathers knew what decision to make. Will we have the same courage?
I wonder.
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Cold weather pretty much downed the Nazis during WWII. I think we are going to have to get into the mindset George Washington did at Valley Forge. Maybe your man wouldn't go out into the cold, but up here it is a way of life. I'd pack my powder and be out the door! We're going to get to the point where we have to make a choice. Freedom or Tyranny!
The Founding Fathers knew what decision to make. Will we have the same courage?
I wonder.
Americans, in general, have gotten fat, lazy and complacent...so I doubt it.
Perhaps when we are standing in line for toilet paper, in the freezing cold (not me, I'm in Florida) will people actually organize a revolt.
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Americans, in general, have gotten fat, lazy and complacent...so I doubt it.
Perhaps when we are standing in line for toilet paper, in the freezing cold (not me, I'm in Florida) will people actually organize a revolt.
I'm not so sure there will be much in the way of organization. Pretty much I think it will be more of an individual response on a massive scale. American Patriots are just that. The volume of those that have had enough individually will surprise the piss out of 'em! After that it may take on a snowball effect.
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As far as I can read it, it exempts their incomes from US taxation if they're foreign nationals, nothing more.
IF Interpol has no arrest authority, I'd like to find that comforting. But I have two problems:
1.) If tax-exemption were the purpose, this measure is like using a 12 gauge loaded with buck shot to take out an ant. IOW, the action is disproportionate to the supposed purpose;
2.) I'm haunted by a three-letter word - YET!
I hope Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Predator operators and veterans of Iraqi combat are well-armed.
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They operated through the DOJ, which effectively put them under FOIA. They will still be operating under the DOJ, and that worries me given the way Holder has acted.
Only for records held by DOJ. The Interpol organization's own records, in their own possession, no. Interpol is as hidebound and rule-governed as you can possibly imagine (As you would expect for something that is fundamentally an EU product), so anything they have ever done in the US has almost certainly been with the full knowledge and cooperation of DOJ to the point of being a joint operation, so most files on US operations would in effect have been reachable through FOIA to DOJ...of course DOJ has one of the major FOIA exemptions, they can withhold records of 'On-going criminal investigations' and (As is also true with classified material) can legally lie and deny the existence of any such record if divulging even its existence could compromise it. The idea that FOIA serves as any kind of a check on DOJ is laughable for anyone who has worked with either the law or the agency, FOIA is a tool they use to embarass their political opponents by opening the files their predecessors (From opposite power blocks) kept from the public by 'Closing' the old investigation.
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So if they are an info-gathering organization and they are immune to US law does that mean they can be used to spy domestically?
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So if they are an info-gathering organization and they are immune to US law does that mean they can be used to spy domestically?
Why would anyone interested in doing that screw around with getting a foreign bureaucracy, with its own rules and loyalties, mixed up in it, instead of just hiring 'Contractors' with cleansed money?
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Why would anyone interested in doing that screw around with getting a foreign bureaucracy, with its own rules and loyalties, mixed up in it, instead of just hiring 'Contractors' with cleansed money?
Now you know me, I despise CT'ers as a rule.
But I look at Obama's conduct vis-a-vis the New Black Panthers voter intimidation case, the Gerald Walpin firing, his czars coming under increased scrutiny and all I see is a president trying to bully others and being thwarted by the US system.
Obama would fare much better among internationalists who would love to see America laid low and know Obama is the man to do it. He doesn't need to co-opt the entire organization, just one field office. Dear Dog in Heaven the Danes are saying he's bigger than Jesus!
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Jake Tapper, the only journalist left at ABC has a good write-up of this issue:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/just-what-did-president-obamas-executive-order-regarding-interpol-do.html
SYNOPSIS: Obama has dithered doing what every president since Reagan has reinforced from a 1945 law.
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Live from DCI It's Saturday NIght!'s comments to Jake's article:
Hey Jake, did you forget to mention we are also strongly considering inclusion in the International Criminal Court? Add the Interpol new freedoms to that and what do you get?
Posted by: Libertarian Woman | Dec 30, 2009 3:50:01 PM
"In light of what we know and can observe, it is our logical conclusion that President Obama's Executive Order amending President Ronald Reagans' 1983 EO 12425 and placing INTERPOL above the United States Constitution and beyond the legal reach of our own top law enforcement is a precursor to more damaging moves.
"The pre-requisite conditions regarding the Iraq withdrawal and the Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention facility closure will continue their course. [M]eanwhile, the next move from President Obama is likely an attempt to dissolve the agreements made between President Bush and other states preventing them from turning over American military forces to the ICC (via INTERPOL) for war crimes or any other prosecutions.
"When the paths on the road map converge - Iraq withdrawal, Guantánamo closure, perceived American image improved internationally, and an empowered INTERPOL in the United States - it is probable that President Barack Obama will once again make America a signatory to the International Criminal Court. It will be a move that surrenders American sovereignty to an international body whose INTERPOL enforcement arm has already been elevated above the Constitution and American domestic law enforcement.
"For an added and disturbing wrinkle, INTERPOL's central operations office in the United States is within our own Justice Department offices. They are American law enforcement officers working under the aegis of INTERPOL within our own Justice Department. That they now operate with full diplomatic immunity and with "inviolable archives" from within our own buildings should send red flags soaring into the clouds.
"This is the disturbing context for President Obama's quiet release of an amended Executive Order 12425. American sovereignty hangs in the balance if these actions are not prevented through public outcry and political pressure. Some Americans are paying attention, as can be seen from some of the earliest recognitions of this troubling development here, here and here. But the discussion must extend well beyond the Internet and social media.
"Ultimately, a detailed verbal explanation is due the American public from the President of the United States detailing why an international law enforcement arm assisting a court we are not a signatory to has been elevated above our Constitution upon our soil." -Steve Schippert, ThreatsWatch dot org. 12/23/09
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Bottom line for this voter -- I don't trust the bastard (Obama) one iota. Every action he takes is calculated and is measured to elevate his own personal power and that of various international bodies like Interpol and the U.N. in the grand socialist tradition.
Go ahead -- call me paranoid.
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Can't say I trust him an inch either, however while I'm sure he'd love to found the People's United Democratic Republic of the World, he is largely a cat's-paw with a pretty face for a set of old-school corrupt Chicago thugs who are very politically effective, mismatched with a bunch of World Socialists and Greens who have big plans and no way in Hell of making them work. Using Interpol does not figure to come from the Chicago side which generally has an excellent idea what it is doing even when it's evil or even just graft. As a plan, involving Interpol is needlessly complicated and fraught with risk since Interpol has its own program; the World Socialists might think it's a keen idea but it is overloaded with failure points, as evil plans go.
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I wonder just how powerful this Democrat Admin. has come to think they are after all the things they have done in the past month or so.
You still have to wonder? I don't, unfortunately. They think they're the bolsheviks, and we the white russians.
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You still have to wonder? I don't, unfortunately. They think they're the bolsheviks, and we the white russians.
Sure is a scarey thought after someone mentioned the Brownshirts.