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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on December 26, 2009, 08:31:02 AM
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Dec-23-09 11:22 PM
Original message
Why do people think being an athiest means you also don't believe in an afterlife?
Nevermind, I KNOW why. But are there any athiests out there who believe in an afterlife? Any that don't? And why, for both?
Discuss.
bigjohn16 Donating Member (733 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Dec-23-09 11:43 PM
Response to Original message
10. I've never met an atheist who believes in an afterlife.
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 12:16 AM by bigjohn16
I'm an atheist who doesn't believe in an afterlife because there's no science that I've seen that shows that when our brain dies something magical happens.
Edit:
Now that I think about it I don't know if I've ever asked another atheist about it. I just assumed.
Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-24-09 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. I am an athiest who believes in an afterlife.
I don't think that you have to believe in a god, in order to believe in an afterlife.
bigjohn16 Donating Member (733 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-24-09 10:09 PM
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27. What do you base your belief on? Faith? Science? nt
Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-25-09 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Science.
I have no faith.
:wtf3: What scientific proof is she talking about?
Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-25-09 01:58 PM
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34. If that's the case, care to explain your assertion? (nm)
Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-25-09 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. It would really take a long, long time, here, to do that.
And I don't have the patience. Or the time, right now. Don't get me wrong. I don't think that we have "proof" either way, but I think that there is enough evidence to point us in the right direction.
Again :wtf3:
I suggest the Malanie stay with swapping spit with condemned prisoners and leave the deep thinking to those with a brain.
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Why is it these damnfool "atheists" on Skins's island can't ever spell the word right?
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Yep. They'll have an eternity in the afterlife. They just get to spend it in hell.
Sucks to be an atheist.
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bigjohn16 Donating Member (733 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Dec-23-09 11:43 PM
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...there's no science that I've seen that shows that when our brain dies something magical happens.
There's no scientific proof of thought either. We do it, we know its effects but we cannot find the physical mechanism for why it happens. If we reduce the brain as an organ we find various lobs comprised of tissues that are proteins that are made up of molecules from a combination of atoms which are sub-atomic particles meshed together from various quantum phenomenon.
BUT...
...no matter how far we go we cannot find WHY or HOW poets write poems or why young girls swoon for them let alone what enables scientists to do what they do. In fact, the deeper we go the less unlikely it seems that the material phenomena are capable of producing what is euphemistically dubbed "the human mind."
To borrow a phrase from the quoted post, i almost seems as if "something magical happens."
In short, it seems to be very much separate from the natural world that something as natural as thought should ever occur. Some might even say its is beyond/above nature, a.k.a. SUPERnatural.
Then to claim--amid all this breathtaking degree of ignorance about one's one ability to think--that whatever "thing" the mind might be it is impossible for it to be translated into a dimension/reality/super-nature where it is at home because there is where it finds its "genesis' is to make a declarations based on spite rather than the empiricism the skeptic pretends to pride itself upon.
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Oh but Mr. Snuggle Bunny, sir, the deal is, to be an atheist demands that one believe that the finite human brain can understand infinite reality.
Wasn't that the first sin, pride; the idea that man could know as much as God?
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They don't believe in God, but how many of them believe in UFO's? Tarot Cards? Reincarnation? Gaia? Socialist Utopia? Government Goodness?
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They don't believe in God, but how many of them believe in UFO's? Tarot Cards? Reincarnation? Gaia? Socialist Utopia? Government Goodness?
The History channel is running a UFO Hunters marathon today.
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Oh but Mr. Snuggle Bunny, sir, the deal is, to be an atheist demands that one believe that the finite human brain can understand infinite reality.
Wasn't that the first sin, pride; the idea that man could know as much as God?
And I can't help but think that humanity hates god for "hiding something from us".
Whatever it was that "God" hid from humanity was only the ugly parts. The proverbial Pandora's Box. After all the fruit bestowed the knowledge of good AND evil and who in their proper mind would want to know evil? The human mind can hold everything, but not everything is worth holding.
Particle accelerators produce soft whispers from God but atom bombs are man's bellowing proclamation of his own self-deification.
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Faith is an alien concept to atheists. I struggle with it but don't deny it.
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This description of atheists is from my blog...
Lets look at what motivates the atheist.
Atheists come demanding evidence. But they discount anything that disproves their pet theories, no matter how well founded that evidence is.
Simply because I am a Christian, anything I have to say will never be good enough for an atheist. (don't believe me, visit an atheist site, the sheer hatred/bigotry towards Christians is amazing. I always thought atheists to be unemotional in their unbelief, but they hate people of faith!)
An honest atheist is an agnostic because he must admit he doesn't have enough evidence to know if God is there or not. (an interesting aside, there are no militant agnostic organizations out to stamp out Christianity, only the radical atheists are doing that. Agnostics just don't care.)
At its core atheism IS a religion. It takes faith to take insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no God. All our arguments mean nothing to the atheist, not because of any validity or lack thereof: but because we are the heretics in the religion of atheism. Atheism cannot support its philosophy with logic, so they must ignore/fabricate faults with all arguments to the contrary.
Pride is the sin that is killing the atheist. Admitting he may be wrong is a violation of his religion. especially when he considers himself mentally superior to mindless followers of faith. That's why arguments with an atheist always go in a circle.
An atheist is the most close minded person you will ever meet.
Now the OP is from an atheist who wants an afterlife. Where this would normally be an oxymoron, remember this is the DUmp. Common sense, truth, and logic are not part of the mix over there. What we have is a spiritualist wannabe who is too lazy to get out of the house and go to a New Age Bookstore.
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Now the OP is from an atheist who wants an afterlife. Where this would normally be an oxymoron, remember this is the DUmp. Common sense, truth, and logic are not part of the mix over there.
There will be an afterlife for atheists--just not the kind they want. :fuelfire: