The Conservative Cave

Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Crazy Horse on December 25, 2009, 06:43:43 PM

Title: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Crazy Horse on December 25, 2009, 06:43:43 PM

(http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/4/642948/1261782917229.JPEG)

Quote
Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit Updated: 30 minutes ago
MoreLara Jakes and Larry Margasak
 

AP WASHINGTON (Dec. 25) - A Northwest Airlines passenger landing in Detroit on Friday tried to blow up the flight but the explosive device failed, two U.S. national security officials said.

The passenger, who was traveling on Northwest Airlines Flight 253 from Amsterdam, was not identified. He was being questioned Friday evening, according to one of the officials, both of whom spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

The motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear

http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/fireworks-set-off-aboard-commercial-flight/19294161?icid=main

WTF????

Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Crazy Horse on December 25, 2009, 06:46:54 PM
Quote
The Homeland Security Department said passengers may see additional screening measures on domestic and international flights because of the incident.

Do ya think................FFS people, we are at WAR!!!!!!!!! More important they are at war with us!!!!!
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Chris on December 25, 2009, 06:50:00 PM
Quote
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., ranking GOP member of the House Homeland Security Committee, identified the suspect as Abdul Mudallad, a Nigerian. King said the flight began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam en route to Detroit. There were 278 passengers aboard the Airbus 330.

One law enforcement source said the man claimed to have been instructed by al-Qaida to detonate the plane over U.S. soil.

Nope.  Didn't see that coming.  Not at all... :bird:
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Crazy Horse on December 25, 2009, 06:52:38 PM
 :banghead:

Will th dumbasses in charge pay attention to this or will they keep thinking conservatives and veterans are the ones to watch??


Rhetorical
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 25, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
:banghead:

Will th dumbasses in charge pay attention to this or will they keep thinking conservatives and veterans are the ones to watch??


Rhetorical

They'll keep pulling 90 year old gray haired ladies out of line, or confiscating bottles of breast milk from moms with infants before they start profiling.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SilverOrchid on December 25, 2009, 07:06:43 PM
How rude of those Muslims oops PASSANGERS trying to blow up a plane on Christmas!  :sarcasm: I thought we are supposed to play nice now?  :whatever:
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Crazy Horse on December 25, 2009, 07:09:58 PM
How do we think th DUmp reacts?????

Quote
Hydra  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-25-09 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. You notice that after the truth gets out, someone thought it would be more useful
 To have a "terrorism event"?


Quote
nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-25-09 06:16 PM
Response to Original message
5. GREAT increased security  
 So tell me how could somebody get fire crackers onto a plane?

Oh never mind. Will see how the circus is on Sunday at the Airport...


Quote
Myrina  (1000+ posts)      Fri Dec-25-09 06:45 PM
Response to Original message
6. Yeah, I heard he set off 'firecrackers' ...
  How does one get firecrackers past TSA?


Quote
spoony  (1000+ posts)      Fri Dec-25-09 06:51 PM
Response to Original message
10. I'm sure this is nothing our drone bombers can't handle.
 Thank goodness we're wiping out the terrarrists in Afghanist...er, Pakist...er, Yem...er, Nigeria.


Damn I shocked I tell ya

Quote
bobburgster  (540 posts)      Fri Dec-25-09 07:59 PM
Response to Original message
5. Now we see how much the mighty US
 Will shake and shiver in fear over the acts of random wanna-be terrorists.

I hope Obama can help us retain a little dignity this time around.


**** you


Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on December 25, 2009, 07:17:46 PM
It's not called "terrorism" any more. It's called "man caused disaster". Did'nt you people get the memo?
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 25, 2009, 07:34:50 PM
Quote
Quote
nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-25-09 06:16 PM
Response to Original message
5. GREAT increased security 
 So tell me how could somebody get fire crackers onto a plane?

Oh never mind. Will see how the circus is on Sunday at the Airport...

I doubt the fact that he boarded in Nigeria had anything to do with lax security. :sarcasm:

Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: DefiantSix on December 25, 2009, 08:32:06 PM
At least someone seems to be taking the threat of terrorism seriously:

Quote
...The passenger was being questioned Friday evening. An intelligence source said the Nigerian passenger was being held and treated in an Ann Arbor, Mich., hospital...

In other words, the rest of the plane's passengers saw this camel ****er acting strangely, and fearing for their tender pink tushes, beat the ever-loving CRAP out of him, just like Richard Reid got.

(http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/wp-images/richard_reid.jpg)
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: NHSparky on December 25, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
Memo to Al-Qaeda,

It's DETROIT.  Crashing a plane into that shithole will only improve it.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on December 25, 2009, 08:40:29 PM
At least someone seems to be taking the threat of terrorism seriously:

In other words, the rest of the plane's passengers saw this camel ****er acting strangely, and fearing for their tender pink tushes, beat the ever-loving CRAP out of him, just like Richard Reid got.

(http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/wp-images/richard_reid.jpg)

If I saw an animal like that trying to light something on a commercial flight I was on, I'd slip my belt out in 1 second, wrap it around his neck and break it in 2 seconds.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Airwolf on December 25, 2009, 08:57:27 PM
All along we have said that since the Big Zero got elected that something would happen once he sat on his ass and did nothing but go on world tours to apologize to people that don't deserve it.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: debk on December 25, 2009, 09:10:24 PM
All along we have said that since the Big Zero got elected that something would happen once he sat on his ass and did nothing but go on world tours to apologize to people that don't deserve it.


Something that was on Fox got me thinking the other day.....wondering why terrorists have never thought to attack during the Christmas season....lots of people out and about and travelling, to rushed to pay attention to something out of the ordinary...
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: crockspot on December 26, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
Seems to be a Yemen connection with this Nigerian... I wonder if he is connected to any of the 30 guys who got blown up in Yemen yesterday...
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on December 26, 2009, 01:34:56 AM
Memo to Al-Qaeda,

It's DETROIT.  Crashing a plane into that shithole will only improve it.

:rofl:

No offense to my Michigan friends intended.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: JohnnyReb on December 26, 2009, 02:25:09 AM
Nothing to worry about. Just a gay muslim having trouble with his 'compact'.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: TheSarge on December 26, 2009, 08:34:18 AM
So yet another Islamic fanatic tries to take out people from a Christian nation on one of it's holiest days...and the BEST our elected officials can come up with is a vow to hold hearings?


Hey Ms. Collins...here's a way you can prevent a breach like this from happening again...profile Islamic men between the ages of 18-35 from countries known to sponsor terrorism.

These elected officials are living some kind of "West Wing" fantasy in a "24" world.

And it's going to get a lot more of us killed unless we change our mindset as a country.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: NHSparky on December 26, 2009, 08:37:36 AM
So yet another Islamic fanatic tries to take out people from a Christian nation on one of it's holiest days...and the BEST our elected officials can come up with is a vow to hold hearings?


Hey Ms. Collins...here's a way you can prevent a breach like this from happening again...profile Islamic men between the ages of 18-35 from countries known to sponsor terrorism.

These elected officials are living some kind of "West Wing" fantasy in a "24" world.

And it's going to get a lot more of us killed unless we change our mindset as a country.

I wouldn't expect much more from the frozen Maine-iac brain of one-half of Maine's "Obama Comfort Girls".

ETA: Stole your expression--it's now posted at TAH, with credit, of course.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: TheSarge on December 26, 2009, 08:42:19 AM
I wouldn't expect much more from the frozen Maine-iac brain of one-half of Maine's "Obama Comfort Girls".

But we should.

9/11 was just yesterday in the timeline of history.  Incidents like this prove that the terrorist fanatics see it that way as well.

They are continuing to plot...continuing to kill.

And our elected officials are sticking their head in the sand pretending it's 9/10 so they won't offend anyone.

They're more concerned with free healthcare for everyone than actually doing one of their Constitutionally directed functions.

Little Johnny in Manhattan having health insurance isn't gonna matter one whit if we're all dead because the Congress Critters pretended like there wasn't still a credible active and lethal threat to our existence standing right at our front door..
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: NHSparky on December 26, 2009, 08:44:16 AM
But...but...but...we'll FEEEEEELLLLLLL better!
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: TheSarge on December 26, 2009, 08:48:46 AM
But...but...but...we'll FEEEEEELLLLLLL better!

LOL! They might feel better.

But I think you and I will feel better when President Palin announces during a SOTU address that "tonite...I come here to announce to the people of America and all citizens of the world that we have wiped the last vestiges of radical Islamic terrorism from the face of the earth.  Finally...the ghost of 9/11 can be laid to rest...forever"
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Linda on December 26, 2009, 10:46:43 AM
From the articles link:
Quote
The FBI and the Homeland Security Department issued an intelligence note on Nov. 20 about the threat picture for the holiday season, which was obtained by The Associated Press. At the time, officials said they had no specific information about attack plans by al-Qaida or other terrorist groups.

President Barack Obama was notified of the incident and discussed it with security officials, the White House said. Officials said he is monitoring the situation and receiving regular updates from his vacation spot in Hawaii.

[DU mode on] MY GOD...why didn't obama put a stop to this...after all he KNEW about it since Nov. 20th...I guess his Hawaiian vacation is more important than the Nations security is. And why is the presisdent so quiet, was he behind this? [DU mode off]  :tongue:

Isn't that the same garbage they used?

Hurray for the brave American's on the flight, thank God they are all still alive and doing well.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 26, 2009, 10:50:14 AM
Quote
Jasper Schuringa subdued alleged terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab on Northwest Airlines 253

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/12/27/alg_jasper_schuringa_facebook.jpg)
Jasper Schuringa, a director from Amsterdam, reportedly helped cabin crew abord Northwest Airlines flight 253 to subdue alleged terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who planned to blow up the plane.

The passenger who tackled a suspected terrorist on Northwest Airlines Flight 253 said Saturday that he’s “happy” to be alive.

Jasper Schuringa, a video director and producer from Amsterdam, told CNN how he helped the cabin crew to subdue Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old who reportedly ignited a small explosive device on board the plane Friday as it prepared to land in Detroit.

Schuringa said he heard a sound that reminded him of a firecracker and someone yelling, “Fire! Fire!”

But  he was only certain something was wrong when he saw smoke. He saw Abdulmutallab's pants open and he was holding a burning object between his legs.

"I pulled the object from him and tried to extinguish the fire with my hands and threw it away," Schuringa said.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/12/26/2009-12-26_jasper_schuringa_helped_subdue_alleged_terrorist_umar_farouk_abdulmutallab_on_no.html#ixzz0aoYW3JUt
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SVPete on December 26, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
The DU commenter(s) didn't know enough about the incident to know that this moron flew from Nigeria (Do they even have airport security there? If so, how bribe-able, assuming they would even care to stop a terrorist?), but still shot their mouth (OK, keyboard) off. What a ... (yawn) ... shock ...

As this blog post points out (http://www.skatingonstilts.com/skating-on-stilts/2009/12/al-qaeda-failed-what-about-us.html), a lot of people got some 'splainin' to do. I doubt any of them will, though. There were at least three layers of security between this twerp and his perpetual virgins: 1.) the US State department, who gave a visa to a watch-list terrorist suspect; 2.) Nigerian airport security, who didn't give a sh__ or took $$ to be temporarily blind; 3.) Netherlands airport security - EuroLanders seem less than concerned when the possible bombers are outward bound. All three layers failed, at least from the POV of the passengers on that flight.

And, while passengers on that flight may have tried some DIY cosmetic surgery to improve the appearance of the would-be perp, his hospitalization is due to his self-inflicted burns (which may be the most serious punishment he'll receive).
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Eupher on December 26, 2009, 12:02:42 PM
The DU commenter(s) didn't know enough about the incident to know that this moron flew from Nigeria (Do they even have airport security there? If so, how bribe-able, assuming they would even care to stop a terrorist?), but still shot their mouth (OK, keyboard) off. What a ... (yawn) ... shock ...

As this blog post points out (http://www.skatingonstilts.com/skating-on-stilts/2009/12/al-qaeda-failed-what-about-us.html), a lot of people got some 'splainin' to do. I doubt any of them will, though. There were at least three layers of security between this twerp and his perpetual virgins: 1.) the US State department, who gave a visa to a watch-list terrorist suspect; 2.) Nigerian airport security, who didn't give a sh__ or took $$ to be temporarily blind; 3.) Netherlands airport security - EuroLanders seem less than concerned when the possible bombers are outward bound. All three layers failed, at least from the POV of the passengers on that flight.

And, while passengers on that flight may have tried some DIY cosmetic surgery to improve the appearance of the would-be perp, his hospitalization is due to his self-inflicted burns (which may be the most serious punishment he'll receive).

Over the past 8 years or so, I've flown to Germany three times. On two occasions, I flew through Amsterdam. I can say with 100% certainty that the Dutch security measures compared to ours are pretty lame.

This is not to say that TSA has it all figured out. Far from it. Their overall refusal to employ racial profiling - at least overtly - and insisting that Grandma throw away her bottle of hand lotion because it's over 2 ounces reflects on typical government rigidity and lack of common sense.

All it takes is one terrorist to get through ANY system to make the whole damn thing look like a travesty.

As much as we all whine and bitch about taking our shoes off when going through security and the fact it takes us 20 minutes to do so, I feel a lot more secure in the US than I do in Europe.

But I'm wondering now and planning ahead for the next time I have to fly. Since Richard Reid's antics resulted in our having to take off our shoes while going through security, are we all going to have to take our pants off to get through security now?

Just sayin'.  :whistling:
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Linda on December 26, 2009, 12:15:32 PM
Well, you can remove your pants or go through here:

(http://www.spyreview.co.uk/images/review/x-ray-scanner-manchester-airport.jpg)

Those are 2 options for future security screenings....
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SVPete on December 26, 2009, 12:51:22 PM
Quote
Over the past 8 years or so, I've flown to Germany three times. On two occasions, I flew through Amsterdam. I can say with 100% certainty that the Dutch security measures compared to ours are pretty lame.
I haven't flown much since late 2000 or early 2001, so I haven't been through security, personally, post-9/11. My kids have flown a fair amount these past few years - mostly domestically, except for two that have been on Youth With A Mission outreaches. My 6'2" son almost always gets extra attention; his sisters wear flip-flops because of the shoe removal thingy. I'll have to ask the daughter that flew through Amsterdam about the security she saw there.

As a whole I think EuroLand folk think US folks are over-reacting. Unless something unpleasant happens there - God forbid! - I don't think this incident will make more than a short-term difference.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 26, 2009, 01:26:54 PM
Quote
Nigeria banker fears son is alleged plane attacker
AP on Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/ap_on_re_us/us_airliner_attack)

Another Nigerian banking scam?  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Oceander on December 26, 2009, 02:10:52 PM
Don't know if this has been commented on already, but this guy was apparently already in a terrorist database (run by Homeland security or the FBI - the NYT mentioned it, even as they were trying desperately to downplay this to deflect criticism from the Terrorist-in-Chief - aka Zero-bama).

Given that, how in God's name was this SOB allowed to board a U.S.-bound aircraft without being given a very, very, very detailed examination - the sort that even your proctologist won't give you unless you've got intestinal cancer?
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 26, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
Don't know if this has been commented on already, but this guy was apparently already in a terrorist database (run by Homeland security or the FBI - the NYT mentioned it, even as they were trying desperately to downplay this to deflect criticism from the Terrorist-in-Chief - aka Zero-bama).

Given that, how in God's name was this SOB allowed to board a U.S.-bound aircraft without being given a very, very, very detailed examination - the sort that even your proctologist won't give you unless you've got intestinal cancer?

I've heard that he was in the database, but not on the "watch list".  WTF???
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: debk on December 26, 2009, 05:57:43 PM
CBS news just said a little bit ago that he's "badly burned in the groin area" .....oops....that's going to create a problem with those 72 virgins.... :uhsure:


They also reported the explosive was most likely in a condom, in his underwear that had been adapted to hold the explosive.....basically the only way to have found it on him would to have done a strip search like police do.


What really makes me mad is that I get pulled over almost every single time I fly....but God forbid that any racial profiling causes a Middle Easterner to get checked out. Maybe they only profile short American grandmothers with red hair and green eyes.  ::)

Homeland Security needs to wake the hell up before we have another 9/11....these terrorists KNOW the chances of them being thoroughly checked is slim because Airport Security is too afraid of being accuse of profiling. The terrorists are NOT the stupid ones....WE ARE...
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: crockspot on December 26, 2009, 06:13:57 PM
Maybe they only profile short American grandmothers with red hair and green eyes.  ::)

The term "red headed step-child" didn't just come from nowhere, you know.  :p
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: NHSparky on December 27, 2009, 06:41:36 AM
The DU commenter(s) didn't know enough about the incident to know that this moron flew from Nigeria (Do they even have airport security there? If so, how bribe-able, assuming they would even care to stop a terrorist?), but still shot their mouth (OK, keyboard) off. What a ... (yawn) ... shock ...

As this blog post points out (http://www.skatingonstilts.com/skating-on-stilts/2009/12/al-qaeda-failed-what-about-us.html), a lot of people got some 'splainin' to do. I doubt any of them will, though. There were at least three layers of security between this twerp and his perpetual virgins: 1.) the US State department, who gave a visa to a watch-list terrorist suspect; 2.) Nigerian airport security, who didn't give a sh__ or took $$ to be temporarily blind; 3.) Netherlands airport security - EuroLanders seem less than concerned when the possible bombers are outward bound. All three layers failed, at least from the POV of the passengers on that flight.

And, while passengers on that flight may have tried some DIY cosmetic surgery to improve the appearance of the would-be perp, his hospitalization is due to his self-inflicted burns (which may be the most serious punishment he'll receive).

Lagos, Nigeria, has consistently been on the shit-list for world's worst airport security, along with a few in the ME and even Athens still has major issues.  While the EU takes security seriously, they're not as intrusive as they are here, or at least such has been my experience.  Most of the BS we go through here is just stuff that is "feel good because it's visible but really is useless" crap.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Doc Savage on December 27, 2009, 07:47:56 AM
They'll keep pulling 90 year old gray haired ladies out of line, or confiscating bottles of breast milk from moms with infants before they start profiling.

Maybe we have to hire the IDF to do our screening for us.  They do not have a problem profiling at all. 
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SVPete on December 27, 2009, 10:56:11 AM
Sit down, well away from vessels containing liquids:

Napolitano: "The system worked" (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1209/Napolitano_The_system_worked.html?showall)
Posted by Jonathan Martin 09:14 AM
Politico
Quote
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that "the system worked."

Asked by CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union" how that could be possible when the young Nigerian who sought to set off the bomb was able to smuggle explosive liquid onto the flight, Napolitano responded: "We're asking the same questions."
Words fail me ...
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 27, 2009, 11:00:17 AM
Sit down, well away from vessels containing liquids:

Napolitano: "The system worked" (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1209/Napolitano_The_system_worked.html?showall)
Posted by Jonathan Martin 09:14 AM
PoliticoWords fail me ...

I heard that on Fox this morning. WTF is that woman thinking?  It's also being reported that this guy is a member of a wealthy, politically connected family in Nigeria.  The family was compared to the Kennedy-Shriver clan.  This could make things interesting in terms of how Lord Zero deals with this.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: TheSarge on December 27, 2009, 11:01:13 AM
I heard that on Fox this morning. WTF is that woman thinking?  It's also being reported that this guy is a member of a wealthy, politically connected family in Nigeria.  The family was compared to the Kennedy-Shriver clan.  This could make things interesting in terms of how Lord Zero deals with this.

Ask BadCat about his former Gov if you want some REAL insight into what a mental midget she really is.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SVPete on December 27, 2009, 11:04:33 AM
Quote
Ask BadCat about his former Gov if you want some REAL insight into what a mental midget she really is.
What does he have against mental midgets that he would compare her to them? Seriously?
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: TheSarge on December 27, 2009, 11:12:02 AM
What does he have against mental midgets that he would compare her to them? Seriously?

Well played sir.  :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SVPete on December 27, 2009, 12:13:43 PM
AZ is one of several western states that have inflicted poor Gubers on themselves; OR is another. Then there's CA ... Davis the Gray made Pete Wilson look good ... and the Gubernator is making Davis the Gray look brilliant!
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: bkg on December 27, 2009, 12:18:29 PM
AZ is one of several western states that have inflicted poor Gubers on themselves; OR is another. Then there's CA ... Davis the Gray made Pete Wilson look good ... and the Gubernator is making Davis the Gray look brilliant!

I think you're spot on with that last statement. CA residents were passionate about getting a debt-increasing, large spender out of office when Davis was in power... and seem complacent (or at least less passionate) about the current situation with the current leadership. Seems odd to me.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 27, 2009, 12:27:21 PM
I think you're spot on with that last statement. CA residents were passionate about getting a debt-increasing, large spender out of office when Davis was in power... and seem complacent (or at least less passionate) about the current situation with the current leadership. Seems odd to me.

I didn't think the problem with Gray Davis was spending, so much as his wheeling-dealing on the energy situation that led to roaming brownouts.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: debk on December 27, 2009, 12:34:53 PM
Sit down, well away from vessels containing liquids:

Napolitano: "The system worked" (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1209/Napolitano_The_system_worked.html?showall)
Posted by Jonathan Martin 09:14 AM
PoliticoWords fail me ...

I had Meet the Press on....I listened to her for the first three questions and had to turn it off.

It's Sunday after Christmas....I should not be thinking the thoughts that came to mind as she failed to answer the questions....
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SVPete on December 27, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
It was both. Davis the Gray had a large (~$7B-$10B IIRC) deficit. The Gubernator has brilliantly managed (mangled!) to triple that. And tried to get at least one R legislator recalled for wanting to cut spending rather than increasing taxes! It could have been different. If the Gubernator hadn't shoved in his schnozz into the 2003 recall late in the game, Tom McClintock would have become Governor, and he would have done very differently (he was a State Senator who knew the budget inside and out!). What I fear is that the Ds will run their standard-issue-idiot, and the Rs will either run a mo-o-o-o-oderate half-idiot or a conservative with mo-o-o-o-oderates picking up their toys and running home.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SaintLouieWoman on December 27, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
They'll keep pulling 90 year old gray haired ladies out of line, or confiscating bottles of breast milk from moms with infants before they start profiling.

I'm not a 90 year old grey haired lady, but do have a knee replacement due to an auto accident. I can't tell you how angry I get every time we fly. The metal in the knee always sets off the metal detector and I'm patted down and spread eagled each flight. I hate to travel by air, especially when I see someone who goes right on through with no problems that escapes the embarassment because, God forbid, it would be profiling!!

Heard on Fox News this am that they're already saying it wasn't a plot, just one lone person.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: bkg on December 27, 2009, 12:41:53 PM
It was both. Davis the Gray had a large (~7B-10B IIRC) deficit. The Gubernator has brilliantly managed (mangled!) to triple that. And tried to get at least one R legislator recalled for wanting to cut spending rather than increasing taxes! It could have been different. If the Gubernator hadn't shoved in his schnozz into the 2003 recall late in the game, Tom McClintock would have become Governor, and he would have done very differently (he was a State Senator who knew the budget inside and out!). What I fear is that the Ds will run their standard-issue-idiot, and the Rs will either run a mo-o-o-o-oderate half-idiot or a conservative with mo-o-o-o-oderates picking up their toys and running home.

I agree with your last statement. It seems epidemic amongst the parties these days.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: SVPete on December 27, 2009, 02:05:06 PM
That last sentence is, IMO, a summary history of the last 15-20 years of politics in CA. I'm not convinced that Fiorina or the lady who ran E-Bay will be that much better that the Gubernator. They're making some nice noises, saying some nice things, but he said pretty much the same things back in '03.

Sorry for my extreme violations of the Marquis of Threadbustery Rules!

My son almost always gets special attention from TSA. But he's an in-shape 20-something. My kids usually travel with laptops, and they always have to prove that those are really real. But they're also protection against accusations of profiling (aka Caucasian).
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: TheSarge on December 27, 2009, 03:56:39 PM
Quote
Heard on Fox News this am that they're already saying it wasn't a plot, just one lone person.

And once again the MSM appears to be proven wrong.

Same flight tonight had to request police at the gate and a Nigerian man has been taken into custody.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Thor on December 27, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
If I saw an animal like that trying to light something on a commercial flight I was on, I'd slip my belt out in 1 second, wrap it around his neck and break it in 2 seconds.

Who needs a belt to break someone's neck?? Dammit Marine, you should know how to do that free handedly.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 27, 2009, 05:31:18 PM
And once again the MSM appears to be proven wrong.

Same flight tonight had to request police at the gate and a Nigerian man has been taken into custody.

I read that, also. Time to ban all travelers from Nigeria.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Ladywinter on December 27, 2009, 05:46:50 PM
That last sentence is, IMO, a summary history of the last 15-20 years of politics in CA. I'm not convinced that Fiorina or the lady who ran E-Bay will be that much better that the Gubernator. They're making some nice noises, saying some nice things, but he said pretty much the same things back in '03.

Off Topic: 

I've been keeping my eye on Meg Whitman (eBay CEO) and have been holding out for some hope here.  But your right, she's starting to sound like all the rest - blah, blah, blah.  I do not believe California will turn around until we oust Feinstein, Boxer, several demo representatives, and the majority of the bleeding heart government/social programs in this state.  Can you tell I'm conservative.  Lol 

Also thought Pete Wilson did a good job back in the day...

On Topic:

I fear (and pray not) that another 9/11 attack is coming.  When and if it does, BO will just blame it on Bush...  Praise God that this past 12/25 Christmas day attempt - failed.

Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Oceander on December 28, 2009, 12:11:29 AM
One other little comment(ary) to add, mainly addressed to the folks who are still too deluded to read this forum regularly:

(http://obamaisamonkey.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/george-w-bush-miss-me-yet.jpg)
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: NHSparky on December 28, 2009, 06:26:57 AM
And now, a little tune for our esteemed head of DHS:

(sorry, Don)

They're pickin' up the prisoners and puttin'
'em in Yemen
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
Rebels been rebels since I don't know when
And all she wants to do is dance
Molotov cocktail-the local drink
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
They mix 'em up right in the kitchen sink
And all she wants to do is dance
Crazy people walkin' round
with blood in their eyes
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
Wild-eyed pistol wavers
who ain't afraid to die
And all she wants to do is-
And all she wants to do is dance

Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: IassaFTots on December 28, 2009, 09:14:39 AM
Quote
Lagos, Nigeria, has consistently been on the shit-list for world's worst airport security, along with a few in the ME and even Athens still has major issues.  While the EU takes security seriously, they're not as intrusive as they are here, or at least such has been my experience.  Most of the BS we go through here is just stuff that is "feel good because it's visible but really is useless" crap.

I remember travelling from the Gulfport, MS regional airport back in the 70's and they had one of those lettered signs, that said travelling to Lagos was not safe.  More than 25 years after, and they still had the same sign up.  Unchanged. 
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: thundley4 on December 28, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Two thoughts on this subject.

Didn't the US recently kill several Al Qaeda leaders in Yemen, and also some civilians?

Lord Zero had considered releasing several dozens of Yemeni nationals from GitMo to be returned to Yemen.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Oceander on December 28, 2009, 09:31:10 AM
Used to live in Lagos as a kid in the 70's - foreign service brat - I hear it's degenerated since then.
Title: Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Post by: Chris on December 28, 2009, 02:11:59 PM
Obama finally got around to making a statement.  At least I think he did... CNN had him "live" moving his gums.  Dude couldn't bother to put on a tie.  He must still be on vacation.