Which cements in my mind that his has LITTLE to do with health, but MUCH to do with government control, and EVEN GREATER to do with economic theft from the producers to the thieves.
Folks,
Take a look at the federal legislation passed in the last 4 decades or so. The majority of it has been about establishing more governmental control of the lives of the people.
Hell, even the SCOTUS has lost it's freaking mind by allowing emminent domain to take private property for non-public use.
It's been going on in dribs and drabs and small nibbles. This time they are going for a big bite and it has folks upset. Well guess what?
They should have been upset all along and fighting back.
But no... the American public in it's apathy has allowed the government to reach the point it has. It is good that at least a segment of the public is starting to wake up, but I can't help but wonder if it's too litte and too late.
As for me, I am doing the best I can to prepare for the anarchy that is sure to come unless a majority of the public wakes the hell up and starts to take their country back from the royal families in DC.
We have ourselves to blame and it's up to us to fix it. If it's not too late.
Even if many of the foreign physicians don't elect to move somewhere else to practice, the influx of new physicians from foreign countries will either stop or slow down.
I agree with everything that has been said in the previous posts. If the bill makes it to the presidents desk and he signs it, questions of it's constitutionality are the only hope we have of stopping it. By the time it reaches the Supreme court, the news media and the citizens will be embroiled over questions of "card check" and "cap & trade" legislation. That should get us to the 2010 elections and the possibility they can be stopped. If SCOSUS accepts the obamacare bill, at least parts of the bill will be declared unconstitutional. I believe SCOSUS will decline to hear the suit on the bill. I sincerely hope they will hear the case.
The very size of the bureaucracy and the structures to contain it will be massive. The federal government has never established a bureaucracy that actually cost what was projected. Once built and deployed, it will be like a gigantic cancer on the health of America. The only way to remove it will be to kill the patient.
Now, back to my question; how can the American medical industry restructure itself in order to accomodate the influx of new patients? Even if many of the foreign physicians don't elect to move somewhere else to practice, the influx of new physicians from foreign countries will either stop or slow down. Many currently practicing physicians who have saved a little money will elect to retire rather than practice assembly line medicine. When obamacare is in place and the gigantic bureacracy is up and running or stumbling along, what can be done to obtain decent medical care?
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I don't have any answer(s) for you either txted. All that has been written in this thread, I completely agree with. I have talked with my own private physician about the HC reform bill and he believes this will be the first "hit" to America. (Cap and Trade being the "final kill shot", and that's a whole new subject.)
He plans to retire IF this HC reform bill debacle passes because he said he simply will not be able to afford keeping his practice up and running. His words... We both just took a deep breath at that point.
I visualize this: Long, long lines. Making an appointment to be "seen" will take weeks. Middle class America will not be able to handle the increase in premium costs, and we'll all end up in jail for lack of paying them. The upside to this is, in jail not only will we get free food, free dental, free internet, free work-out rooms, etc. BUT FREE MEDICAL... gawd
One good aspect of the jail option will be the fact that when all of middle America is in prison, our masters will no longer have to be concerned about the racial imbalance that currently exists in prison. :banghead:
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One good aspect of the jail option will be the fact that when all of middle America is in prison, our masters will no longer have to be concerned about the racial imbalance that currently exists in prison. :banghead:
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I had read somewhere that penalties over and above the 2% tax on income had been done away with. Since the IRS is going to be the enforcement arm for mandated insurance, they didn't see a need to add on other penalties I guess. OTOH, the IRS could still throw your ass in jail for tax evasion, it just wouldn't be tied to the HCR bill.
Which suggests that, when it comes right down to it, they won't have the cojones to put their money where their mouths are, and that the best way to bring the whole b.s. crashing to the ground is for every patriotic American to simply refuse to pay the Obamatax, and refuse to settle with the IRS when they assess it as a deficiency - the IRS would end up with so many cases in the Collection Division that they would simply be swamped and unable to collect anything, and the public outcry over, e.g., seizing houses and bank accounts and businesses to pay the Obamatax would make the public outcry that got us the Taxpayer Bill of Rights back in 1998 look like a pro-IRS demonstration by comparison.
Which suggests that, when it comes right down to it, they won't have the cojones to put their money where their mouths are, and that the best way to bring the whole b.s. crashing to the ground is for every patriotic American to simply refuse to pay the Obamatax, and refuse to settle with the IRS when they assess it as a deficiency - the IRS would end up with so many cases in the Collection Division that they would simply be swamped and unable to collect anything, and the public outcry over, e.g., seizing houses and bank accounts and businesses to pay the Obamatax would make the public outcry that got us the Taxpayer Bill of Rights back in 1998 look like a pro-IRS demonstration by comparison.
Unless you are self employed you won`t have a chance...called withholding,I have no doubt an employer will be required to know your insurance status.
You can lie I guess and say you do but also have no doubt proof of such will be part of the tax return.
Not to be a wet rag on that issue but it will not be in our hands.
Assuming it does get to his desk. He has only 3 votes in the house as a cushion, and there are several deal killing provisions in the senate to the house members. It may just fail conference
Don't count on that, the close vote in the House was a dance of carefully-staged pageantry, with Pope Nancy passing out the indulgences from a jealously-guarded and carefully-counted supply. If it comes to it, some of the previous Dem 'Nays' will be expected to pay up if it becomes necessary for her to call in the marker on them, and throw themselves on the spikes for the good of the Dear Leader and his Prosperity and Health Plan.
Don't count on that, the close vote in the House was a dance of carefully-staged pageantry, with Pope Nancy passing out the indulgences from a jealously-guarded and carefully-counted supply. If it comes to it, some of the previous Dem 'Nays' will be expected to pay up if it becomes necessary for her to call in the marker on them, and throw themselves on the spikes for the good of the Dear Leader and his Prosperity and Health Plan.
So prostitution is legal in D.C. now. Whodathunkit.
So prostitution is legal in D.C. now. Whodathunkit.
What? Are you kidding? DC's Capitol Hill is the site of the country's oldest continuously operational whorehouse.
Unless you are self employed you won`t have a chance...called withholding,I have no doubt an employer will be required to know your insurance status.
You can lie I guess and say you do but also have no doubt proof of such will be part of the tax return.
Not to be a wet rag on that issue but it will not be in our hands.
Of course it is, overstate your withholding allowances so that it balances out. In general, you won't be questioned on the number of withholding allowances you claim unless you claim 10 or more.
I'm pretty sure that they can get you for that also. They'd most likely investigate why the number of dependents shot up for someone.
If you deliberately and knowingly make false claims on your Form W-4 in an attempt to reduce or eliminate proper tax withholding, you may have to pay a penalty of $500 if:
You make statements or claim allowances on your W-4 that reduce the amount of tax withheld.
You have no reasonable basis for the statments or allowances at the time you fill out the W-4.
There is also a criminal penalty for supplying false information on your W-4. The penalty upon conviction can be a fine of up to $1,000 or up to one year imprisonment, or both.
Of course it is, overstate your withholding allowances so that it balances out. In general, you won't be questioned on the number of withholding allowances you claim unless you claim 10 or more.I am sort of pragmatic and have a notion that there will be or are more then a few redundant measures to check one.
If the mandates are passed, I'll bet the IRS will be targeting people that change their W-4.
If the mandates are passed, I'll bet the IRS will be targeting people that change their W-4.
In general, I'm not thrilled at the idea of protesting through currently illegal tax withholding. More importantly, I believe the time is right for a proper full-frontal attack on totalitarianism through the elections. More importantly, though, is for the politicians to communicate to their consituency on why such taxes are oppressive, and we have a far better chance in the upcoming cycle.
But the tax withholding scheme, while emotionally popular, will have even less effect on policy than third party political organizations, for promoting our ideals.
It all depends on how many people are willing to put their necks on the line to do it - because all of the first lot, and many of the rest, will be assessed deficiencies and will have to run the whole gauntlet of collections and whatnot.
If the mandates are passed, I'll bet the IRS will be targeting people that change their W-4.
Didn't Obama spend $300M on additional IRS agents? Does anyone really think it was to go after the Swiss bank accounts? It was laying the foundation.
The IRS is reportedly facing a 25% revenue shortfall for the 2008 tax year—that's in addition to the current $345 billion tax gap. The Obama administration announced in May 2009 that it would like to hire 800 additional IRS agents and quadruple funding for tax compliance efforts over the next five years. All the facts point to a drastic increase in personnel and operating budgets aimed at collecting additional tax revenue in 2009 and beyond.LegalZoom (http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-articles/tax-problem.html)
Just so everyone's clear on the concept, increasing your withholding allowances is not the same thing as claiming fake dependents (which I would never, ever, in a million years suggest anyone do), nor is it tax evasion.
I wish we had to write a check at the end of the year... Rather, the week before election day.
That is part of why withholding came about...never going to put that horse back in the barn.
I wish we had to write a check at the end of the year... Rather, the week before election day.
Time for Drastic Measures (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-17412-Macon-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m12d24-Time-for-drastic-measures)
December 24, 7:46 AM
Macon County Conservative Examiner
Robert Moon
Now that we have been painted into a corner with the passage of this Constitution-trampling explosion of government, we have only 4 options left before things get ugly:
1) Vote them out in 2010. This option requires much patience and will not actually mean anything unless those elected actually reverse all the spending, bailouts and takeovers.
Most likely, Democrats will be punished for a few years while Republicans ride the tidal wave of public outrage into office, at which point they will throw us some symbolic scraps from the table, rather than making a serious commitment to uprooting federal tyranny. It is absolutely critical that we get actual conservatives into office and eject the RINOs in 2010.
2) Legal challenge in the courts. There is a chance that the Supreme Court could reverse this law based on the "Commerce Clause" debate (a few states being bribed and blackmailed into submission at the expense of all the others).
3) Nullification. This is where states stand up for their 10th Amendment rights and declare that, since this law is blatantly unconstitutional, they refuse to acknowledge that it was even passed.
And no, the Founders never intended for the federal government to be the sole determiner of the size and scope of its own power. State nullification was always intended as a natural check against federal encroachments.
4) Civil disobedience (the only option that requires no waiting). The politicians are now coming home to face their constituents. Escalate things by organizing a disruptive demonstration, like a sit-in.
While government creates 111 new federal bureaucracies and destroys the free market system that 84% of us are happy with, the politicians have exempted themselves from the rationed, inferior care the rest of us are left with. But they cannot exempt themselves from us.
As Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, when government becomes adversarial to the people, it is both the right and the responsibility of the people to rise up and "alter or abolish" that government. Government gets its power from us.
It is time to step up and take back what is ours.