IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:02 AM
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Ben Nelson on CNN live
He was very happy about the abortion restrictions on the bill.
IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:06 AM
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1. Deal involves a limited conference with House, with minor changes allowed
AlinPA (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:09 AM
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2. But he said he will vote against the final bill (after work with the house) if there are "material changes". That means if there is any public option, he will join the republicans to vote against health care reform.
IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:10 AM
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3. or if abortion restrictions are taken off
AlinPA (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:12 AM
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4. Right.
IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:19 AM
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5. In summary, if the House alters one iota of Nelson's provisions, he will filibuster and Harry Reid has agreed that the Senate will only discuss minor changes with House.
mascarax (869 posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:34 AM
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6. So sweet when he said re: health care debate good "...from the far right to the extreme left"
Nice.
"Extreme"
Don't worry DUmmies Harry Reid paid him off.
It begs the question...
Did he do the right thing for his constituents?
don't get me wrong, I think he's as much a POS as most of them in DC, but one could argue that he just protected Nebraska residents...
no.
This is a bad deal all around. Plus all that crap that will be stuffed in during reconciliation... whoa
It begs the question...
Did he do the right thing for his constituents?
don't get me wrong, I think he's as much a POS as most of them in DC, but one could argue that he just protected Nebraska residents...
He was bribed plain and simple, so even if it were to do good things for his state that gets negated because it was unethical and illegal. Plus I will argue that this health care bullshit will cause more harm to his state than the small tax break his state will get.
You're correct on all thoughts...If Nebraskans are Americans, then they are as screwed as we are.
but you're missing the point I was trying to make.
You're correct on all thoughts...
but you're missing the point I was trying to make.
Ok what point was I missing then?
You can argue that it benefits his state if you wish. However I don't see how this bill benefits anyone other than the leftists. So any benefit gained by this bribe is canceled out at the end of the day.
Look - I'm as conservative as the next guy, if not more so. I'm just trying to understand the other side of this. Logically, I think it could be argued that he represented Nebraskan's well by getting them all of the (supposed) benefits of the bill w/o any of the costs. In some senses, depending on how well negoiated, he gave Nebraska a good standing under the 10th.
Now - you and I know it's complete bullshit and no better than wiping their ass with COTUS, but think about it for a minute. If my previous paragraph has any truth to it, he represented his constituents well... while pissing on COTUS at the same time...
It's just a line of thought. I put no weight into it.
I agree - I do. But technically, Nebraska residents are benefiting from his decision, right?
Look - I'm as conservative as the next guy, if not more so. I'm just trying to understand the other side of this. Logically, I think it could be argued that he represented Nebraskan's well by getting them all of the (supposed) benefits of the bill w/o any of the costs. In some senses, depending on how well negoiated, he gave Nebraska a good standing under the 10th.
Now - you and I know it's complete bullshit and no better than wiping their ass with COTUS, but think about it for a minute. If my previous paragraph has any truth to it, he represented his constituents well... while pissing on COTUS at the same time...
It's just a line of thought. I put no weight into it.
Look - I'm as conservative as the next guy, if not more so. I'm just trying to understand the other side of this. Logically, I think it could be argued that he represented Nebraskan's well by getting them all of the (supposed) benefits of the bill w/o any of the costs. In some senses, depending on how well negoiated, he gave Nebraska a good standing under the 10th.
Now - you and I know it's complete bullshit and no better than wiping their ass with COTUS, but think about it for a minute. If my previous paragraph has any truth to it, he represented his constituents well... while pissing on COTUS at the same time...
It's just a line of thought. I put no weight into it.
Let me run this through the English-DUmmie translator.
Nebraska is only getting ass-raped by 10 convicts while the rest of us have to take it from the full line of 20. Either way we're all screwed, Nebraska just gets to take the shower of shame a bit sooner.
Nebraska loses less than the rest of us?
Okay.
I don't think they gain though.
Probably the best way to say it. If the country is going down and you can slow it a bit for your personal state, in some ways, some one will find a way to justify those actions as what is best for NE.
Again - I do NOT agree with his actions. Just trying to play devil's advocate for a moment.
This suddenly makes the 2010 Mid terms that much more important for the Republicans to win.
Clearly. 2010 means everything; 2012 means almost nothing (nothing substantive, it would be a nice formality, but that's about all it would be). If we fail to break the Democrats' chokehold on Congress in 2010, then the country is dead, period. At that point we might as well start teaching our kids to speak Mandarin so that at least they'll be able to understand what their owners are saying about them when they grow up, and that regardless of whether or not Sarah Palin sits in the Whitehouse after 2012.
On the other hand, if we win 2010 - and here "win" means breaking the Democrats' chokehold with enough seats that we can at least reliably filibuster any stupidity of theirs - then we win, regardless of whether or not Zero still sits in the Whitehouse after 2012. In fact, provided we can "win" in 2010, at this point I would be inclined to vote for Zero, just to watch the veins bulge on his temples and the spittle fleck his chin as he rants in impotent rage about being unable to implement any more of his hardcore radical leftist agenda, hopefully to the point of having a coronary.
I'd prefer to see independents, Constututionalists and Tea Party candidates gain about 20-22 seats. Fawk the GOP.
As long as they run on the Repub ticket. Anyone who believes a third party will accomplish anything more than keeping DimWits in office, is living on Uranus!
As long as they run on the Repub ticket. Anyone who believes a third party will accomplish anything more than keeping DimWits in office, is living on Uranus!Of course, you are 100% right, but save your breath. It's like discussing foreign policy with a ronbot.
Of course, you are 100% right, but save your breath. It's like discussing foreign policy with a ronbot.
Clearly you don't like my opinion. That's fine. No need to attempt a passive-aggressive insult, though.
You really looking forward to GOP in control? What will they do differently? What will they reverse? Seriously.
One of the things that they will do differently is that they'll prosecute the WOT as a war, and not as a crime.
Won't happen in 2010. Maybe in 2012 if there's a new president as well. But Holder and Obama have already made that decision. Terrorists will be on American soil before next year's elections... no on will move them back to Gitmo under this president. Had McCain won, likely would have been as you suggest. Just don't see it shifting directions under this administration unless something major happens.
By "control," I mean that there's got to be a Republican in the White House.
I think you're correct on that. And not only a Republican, a conservative...
And anyone who believes that the GOP is any more fiscally conservative than the DNC has been asleep for the last 8-9 years.
I don't disagree that third party will be hard, but I'm not voting for another party...