Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:29 PMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7268368
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Copenhagen is an absolute ****ing disaster
The final draft is still being written, but it looks like a total WASTE of time.
There are no clearly defined targets. EVERYTHING is voluntary. Developing countries are furious. The US again failed to show leadership.
And Canada, my country, was judged as one of the WORST offenders for total inaction and the insistence on developing the oilsands petroleum hellhole.
Already, environmental groups are calling it "Copenfailure".
I can't tell you how bitterly disappointed I am. I weep for humanity.
Deja Q (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:30 PM
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1. Even developed countries are furious.
Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:35 PM
5. Unrecs don't bother me tonight
It's easy to pay someone to disrupt a discussion board.
Hell, it's cheaper than buying your average politician.
Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:38 PM
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8. Oh no!
Just wait and see. We'll get a new 2% VAT or sales tax! The IMF bank will be pleased!
Isn't that what really matters?
Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:45 PM
10. WTF are you talking about?
NOTHING is going to happen. Did you not get the "gist" of my message?
Carry on with your life, citizen. There's a sale on Hummers this week! Consume! Nothing's wrong!
Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:41 PM
9. We're screwed.
No surprise.
Gregorian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:45 PM
11. Give it a little time. When snorkle sales go up, people will begin to get serious.
How much is the New Orleans price tag for repairs? How many more of them will we experience, and how many more will the planet see?
By the way, in case anyone is interested, humans are putting out 100 times the CO2 output of all volcanoes on the planet right now.
ThomCat (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:50 PMDUmmies want the power plants shut down. No nukes, no coal, no electricity, no hydro. They tried with the "acid rain" scam, but it didn't take. People finally figured out those dead trees were killed by gypsy moths, not "acid rain". Now they want to do it with the gorescam. Wait til they find out that will cause their grow lights to go out. The democrat base depends on grow lights.
14. Voluntary ****ing Targets!
Which means that none of the damned targets will be met anyway because nobody has to meet them.
What a ****ing bad Joke.
It really sucks that there really isn't any way to hold politicians and government lackies accountable for the bullshit, incompetence, and lack of progress they force all of us to live with.
It is enough to make me really wish there was a God sometimes, and that he or she might really answer just prayers, if only so that there might be a way for all the powerless people of the world to get real justice in the end.
It's an appealing fantasy. Having to live in a world where the Powerful thrive and profit while never taking any responsibility for solving the problems they create is endlessly galling.
Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:56 PM
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17. They can't even agree on an extension to Kyoto
And we all know what a big success THAT was.
mullard12ax7 (476 posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:50 PMSome of these moonbats actually believe that!
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15. I had to tune into Russian and French TV just to hear news about it
The U.S. whore media is all upset over a golfer when the entire planets future is on the line.
Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 11:02 PMPretty sad when we have to have our ass saved by the socialist Canadians.
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20. It's fast becoming our national shame
We used to be leaders in environmental issues. We've now become the main problem.
What makes it hard is that in terms of public opinion, we're totally in agreement with major changes.
Unfortunately, it's our ****ing Conservative Harper government that's calling the shots right now.
God, I hate them.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 11:03 PM
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21. We're so screwed.
Gregorian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 11:35 PMDUmmy Gregorian should do his small part to solve the overpopulation problem by joining Skidmore and ladyhawke in a suicide pact. If he truly believes that drivel, then it isn't worth living, is it?
30. Big changes would require sacrifices nobody is willing to make.
Anyone who understands the full extent of carbon emissions by modern societies knows that we cannot make a dent in emissions without serious sacrifices. And one of those is untouchable. Unmentionable. No one will even discuss it. Population must decrease. That is first and foremost. And it most likely wasn't even mentioned at the summit.
We're in deep trouble. I posted engine manufacturing plant videos from World War 2 factories some time ago. Just that period of our history caused monstrous emissions. The Berlin airlift? It had to be done. But the emissions? Good god! A billion gallons of fuel for the Iraq war a year ago, was what I calculated.
Every trip to the market in 1950. Every yo-yo ever produced. Every movie production crew and transportation. Every dental device being manufactured and transported. Every cubic yard of cement mined and refined.
It's mind boggling. And if the population were small enough it wouldn't be overwhelming the planet. But in combination it's the end of the ecosystem.
I can't even communicate it. But as long as we're burning fuel to do stuff for us, and this many of us are doing it, then we're in trouble. And two billion people are just joining the club. It's going to get worse before anything happens to make it better. I don't have much hope.
That's what wars are for. Oh, wait! Silly me, you oppose war. In that case, lead by example: take yourself out....
Gregorian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 11:35 PM
30. Big changes would require sacrifices nobody is willing to make.
Anyone who understands the full extent of carbon emissions by modern societies knows that we cannot make a dent in emissions without serious sacrifices. And one of those is untouchable. Unmentionable. No one will even discuss it. Population must decrease. That is first and foremost. And it most likely wasn't even mentioned at the summit.
We're in deep trouble. I posted engine manufacturing plant videos from World War 2 factories some time ago. Just that period of our history caused monstrous emissions. The Berlin airlift? It had to be done. But the emissions? Good god! A billion gallons of fuel for the Iraq war a year ago, was what I calculated.I guess they don't make engines anymore, so you had to post videos from WWII factories?
Every trip to the market in 1950. Every yo-yo ever produced. Every movie production crew and transportation. Every dental device being manufactured and transported. Every cubic yard of cement mined and refined.What's so special about 1950?
It's mind boggling. And if the population were small enough it wouldn't be overwhelming the planet. But in combination it's the end of the ecosystem.Oh, I misread that last word. You said "HOPE". I thought you said "DOPE". Silly me. :lmao:
I can't even communicate it. But as long as we're burning fuel to do stuff for us, and this many of us are doing it, then we're in trouble. And two billion people are just joining the club. It's going to get worse before anything happens to make it better. I don't have much hope.
It's mind boggling. And if the population were small enough it wouldn't be overwhelming the planet. But in combination it's the end of the ecosystem.
We're in deep trouble. I posted engine manufacturing plant videos from World War 2 factories some time ago. Just that period of our history caused monstrous emissions. The Berlin airlift? It had to be done. But the emissions? Good god! A billion gallons of fuel for the Iraq war a year ago, was what I calculated.Every computer manufactured. Every internet connection. Every pc power connection. Every silly missive typed...
Every trip to the market in 1950. Every yo-yo ever produced. Every movie production crew and transportation. Every dental device being manufactured and transported. Every cubic yard of cement mined and refined.
Remember being told about the Orson Welles 1930's radio broadcast called "War Of The Worlds"? This "Global Warming broadcast" is just like that only longer, wider, less believable, not as polished, and aired with sinister intentions.
Copenhagen, like Kyoto before it, was based on the ultimately silly Star Trek conventions. It hosts a bunch of like-minded people entertaining their fantasies about a world they wish existed, because if it did exist, their fantasy of socialist control would be validated and To Serve Man really could be a cookbook.
I saw someone using the figure 0.117% of CO2 coming from man. Did they mean farts and burps? heh
Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:29 PM
Original message
Copenhagen is an absolute ******* disaster
The final draft is still being written, but it looks like a total WASTE of time.
There are no clearly defined targets. EVERYTHING is voluntary. Developing countries are furious. The US again failed to show leadership.
And Canada, my country, was judged as one of the WORST offenders for total inaction and the insistence on developing the oilsands petroleum hellhole.
Already, environmental groups are calling it "Copenfailure".
I can't tell you how bitterly disappointed I am. I weep for humanity.
I weep for humanity.
WTF do these idiots want?
Do they truly wish mankind back to the stone age?
I went to a Star Trek convention once. From what I've seen it was much more in touch with reality than the Copenhagen shindig.
I've heard it referred to as "Dopenhagen".
All this convention attracted was DUmmies, Commies and Zero.... (Oh, my!) :rotf:
WTF do these idiots want?No. They only want to shut down American free enterprise. Ringleaders, like Gore and the phony scientists, see an opportunity for huge personal gain from all the bogus industries that would suck up public funds. The huge majority of the rank and file just want to shut down America. There is a significant number of the gorescam foot soldiers who are simply morons, who think the ocean is coming to Charlotte. In ways this is so similar to the Y2K scam it's spooky.
Do they truly wish mankind back to the stone age?
I went to a Star Trek convention once. From what I've seen it was much more in touch with reality than the Copenhagen shindig.
I think it goes farther than that....
They want us (all mankind) GONE!
Not all mankind--they want to stay, to "keep Mother Earth in balance."
Gregorian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 10:45 PM
11. Give it a little time. When snorkle sales go up, people will begin to get serious.
How much is the New Orleans price tag for repairs? How many more of them will we experience, and how many more will the planet see?
By the way, in case anyone is interested, humans are putting out 100 times the CO2 output of all volcanoes on the planet right now.
Horse Shit :censored: :bird:
Horse Shit :censored: :bird:
I know it is a rhetorical question but can they really be deluded enough to think they would be left intact and their lives would not be affected?
Carl, Carl, Carl . . . I'm disappointed in you, neighbor. :banghead:
The short answer is: Yes. :thatsright:
I went to one scifi convention too.
I weep for humanity
Gregorian (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-18-09 11:35 PM
30. Big changes would require sacrifices nobody is willing to make.
Anyone who understands the full extent of carbon emissions by modern societies knows that we cannot make a dent in emissions without serious sacrifices. And one of those is untouchable. Unmentionable. No one will even discuss it. Population must decrease. That is first and foremost. And it most likely wasn't even mentioned at the summit.
We're in deep trouble. I posted engine manufacturing plant videos from World War 2 factories some time ago. Just that period of our history caused monstrous emissions. The Berlin airlift? It had to be done. But the emissions? Good god! A billion gallons of fuel for the Iraq war a year ago, was what I calculated.
Every trip to the market in 1950. Every yo-yo ever produced. Every movie production crew and transportation. Every dental device being manufactured and transported. Every cubic yard of cement mined and refined.
It's mind boggling. And if the population were small enough it wouldn't be overwhelming the planet. But in combination it's the end of the ecosystem.
I can't even communicate it. But as long as we're burning fuel to do stuff for us, and this many of us are doing it, then we're in trouble. And two billion people are just joining the club. It's going to get worse before anything happens to make it better. I don't have much hope.
Canuckistanian
Copenhagen is an absolute ******* disaster
The final draft is still being written, but it looks like a total WASTE of time.
There are no clearly defined targets. EVERYTHING is voluntary. Developing countries are furious. The US again failed to show leadership.
And Canada, my country, was judged as one of the WORST offenders for total inaction and the insistence on developing the oilsands petroleum hellhole.
Already, environmental groups are calling it "Copenfailure".
I can't tell you how bitterly disappointed I am. I weep for humanity.