cali (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:28 PM
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What will the poor White House do now that they're caught between Nelson and Sanders?
Giving in to Nelson may well cause Bernie (and some others) to jump off the boat. Nelson won't vote for cloture without more anti-choice crap and who knows what else.
The White House is in a very tight spot.
And frankly, I think it's in good part their own actions that put them there.
TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:32 PM
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2. Some of it is the WH's fault--however, Ben Nelson comes out ahead in Nebraska by his opposition, the GOPers eat it up--it was just a matter of time before he did his song and dance. I don't see any way around this except reconciliation, really.
democrat_patriot (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:33 PM
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3. They negotiate with Nelson who is a Democrat.
And throw Sanders (I) under the bus.
They do whatever they need to do to get a bill passed.
As long as it says Health Care Reform in the bill, or even in the title of the bill.
TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:34 PM
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4. Still not to 60 votes without Sanders, I don't think. They'd have to woo Snowe again.
Good luck with that.
cali (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:42 PM
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6. they can't get cloture without Bernie's vote. that makes it awfully hard to throw him under the bus.
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:48 PM
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12. Nope, the Obama administration didn't do any of that
Perhaps, though, instead of telling us what the Obama administration didn't do in regards to the Senate, its members or its rules, just what has the administration done to make the Senate more representative? Poll after poll has shown very high support (over 60%) for a public option [sic], and even higher support [sic] for single payer. I don't recall seeing President Obama use his bully pulpit to reinforce these public wishes, to pressure recalcitrant Senators, or to indicate that crossing such a majority of the American people might have adverse electoral consequences.
dgibby (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:49 PM
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15. And I'm sick of you using the term "leftbagger".
It's nothing but flame bait, but you know that, don't you?
Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:49 PM
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16. Since we're registering opinions, I'm sick of assholes who use terms like "leftbaggers"
rurallib (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:52 PM
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23. Think that leftbagger will get some traction?
dgibby (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:59 PM
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32. If it doesn't , it won't be from lack of him trying.
He's like a broken record.
cali (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:56 PM
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26. sod off. call me names and I will respond, honeypie.
listen up little kumquat, I don't take kindly to your brand of crap. so, sweetums, take it and shove it and shove it good and hard.
Do you favor or oppose, "Having a national health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance through an expanded, universal form of Medicare-for all?"
Favor 58%, Oppose 38%, NA/DK 3%
cali (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:28 PM
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Original message
What will the poor White House do now that they're caught between Nelson and Sanders?
Giving in to Nelson may well cause Bernie (and some others) to jump off the boat. Nelson won't vote for cloture without more anti-choice crap and who knows what else.
The White House is in a very tight spot.
The White House's predicament pleases me. **** 'em.
Isn't it time for that old carpetbagger Sanders to retire?
Isn't it time for that old carpetbagger Sanders to retire?
He does resemble Barney Frank quite a bit. Other than Frank's thpeech impediment and Sander's New Yawk accent, they do sound remarkably similar.
Isn't it time for several of these guys to drop dead of a heart attack from all this stress and pressure and overwork? I saw a picture of Robert Byrd the other day. Not only was he using a walker, he had an aid holding up each of his arms. His hair needed cutting, and so did his fingernails. Disgusting. Why do any of these guys think that the world could just not continue if they were to retire?
BTW Crock, I heard once that Burlington was the incest capital of America.
gratuitous (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:48 PM
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12. Nope, the Obama administration didn't do any of that
Perhaps, though, instead of telling us what the Obama administration didn't do in regards to the Senate, its members or its rules, just what has the administration done to make the Senate more representative? Poll after poll has shown very high support (over 60%) for a public option [sic], and even higher support [sic] for single payer. I don't recall seeing President Obama use his bully pulpit to reinforce these public wishes, to pressure recalcitrant Senators, or to indicate that crossing such a majority of the American people might have adverse electoral consequences.
I just have no idea where this comes from. Polls come out almost daily by a variety of polling orgs and none show a majority of support. There's nothing wrong with a principled stand, even if it's not popular but for a group that pretends to not care what anyone else thinks (at least since jr. high) they sure put stock in this kind of thing. Many on the right thought Iraq should be won even when the majority of the country thought otherwise. I was under no illusions about what the country thought.
Cindie