LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 04:57 PMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7244942
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So tell me why we don't let FReepers post on this site?
I don't think it's because we are afraid that we'll be swayed by their arguments. I know there's a good reason; I think I know what it is, and I agree with it. I'm curious, though, what you think it is.
ixion (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 04:59 PM
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2. personally, I don't have a problem with Freepers posting here
I was against the tightening of the rules when it came around.
Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 05:02 PM
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Good hunch, LOL.
We have enough trouble keeping things civil among ourselves...
BTW, they don't let us, with our views, on their board, either...
Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 05:02 PM
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7. I think your nuts if you think Freepers are not already here posting crap.
If your intention was to take a swipe at all the outraged folks in regard to health care, you have failed.
Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 05:07 PM
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17. It's well known that this board is heavily FReeped.
That's one of the reasons we need mods, for disruptors. And if you've ever looked at FR, there are a while lot of discussions about what's going on here. Same with CU. They seem to be totally preoccupied with what's going on here, unlike us, who rarely discuss them, present thread excepted.
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 05:08 PM
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19. Seems like ten or twelve of 'em have been 'stoned this week so far
n/t.
Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts)
Wed Dec-16-09 05:07 PM
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17. It's well known that this board is heavily FReeped.
That's one of the reasons we need mods, for disruptors. And if you've ever looked at FR, there are a while lot of discussions about what's going on here. Same with CU. They seem to be totally preoccupied with what's going on here, unlike us, who rarely discuss them, present thread excepted.
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 07:40 PM
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65. There was a time some of them were allowed to as long as they were civil
but the DUers had such a great time making asses out of them because of their misinformation, lack of reasoning and bigotry that it was too much like using kittens for tennis balls. Administration felt that we should be spending our time on loftier debates.
Terra Alta (18 posts) Thu Dec-17-09 03:08 AM
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78. Because most of them are ignorant.
Glenn Beck loving, Palin worshipping, teabagging Kool-aid drinkers! I hear enough right wingers at home and at work,I don't need to hear it here too!
Cleita (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 07:40 PM
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65. There was a time some of them were allowed to as long as they were civil
but the DUers had such a great time making asses out of them because of their misinformation, lack of reasoning and bigotry that it was too much like using kittens for tennis balls. Administration felt that we should be spending our time on loftier debates.
LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 04:57 PM
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So tell me why we don't let FReepers post on this site?
I don't think it's because we are afraid that we'll be swayed by their arguments.
Someone's been lurking here reading about our proposal for a trade.
Wrong DUmmie, I'd bet that Skinner would ban one of you for posting here under your DUmp name before you'd get banned here. Provided you kept your discussions civil.Conservative boards I've been on don't ban folk for posting contrary opinions. Those libs and progs who have issues with that 5-letter "C" word are a different story.
Cleita (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 07:40 PM
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65. There was a time some of them were allowed to as long as they were civil
but the DUers had such a great time making asses out of them because of their misinformation, lack of reasoning and bigotry that it was too much like using kittens for tennis balls. Administration felt that we should be spending our time on loftier debates.
Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment.
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-05-05 06:31 PM
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Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment.
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 07:29 PM by spooked911
I set up the following experiment using steel rabbit fencing as the steel structure supporting a heavy cement block.
Note, this fencing is easily bendable, has no significant rigidity, and was not reinforced in any way. The fencing was bent into an outer square and an inner rectangle (the core):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/1_column_structure.jpg)
Then I damaged the "columns" by cutting them with wire cutters:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/2a_cut_outer_columns.jpg)
Just inside where the gash was made in the outer wall, I placed a cup of kerosene (jet fuel), and there was newspaper around the bottom on the structure.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/2b_cut_inner_columns.jpg)
Then I put a heavy cement block on top, weighing about 15 pounds. I don't think the wire structure would hold more than three of these blocks, so the "safety factor" was not particularly high.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/2_weight_on_columns15.jpg)
Then I tipped over the cup and lit the kerosene:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/4_fire.jpg)
Then fire burned for about twenty minutes, and toward the end, I put my foot on the structure to see if it would extra weight. It still did:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/6_structure_supportswt.jpg)
After the fire was hot, the "columns" were not hot at all:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/8_cool_columns.jpg)
In a second experiment, I used the same wire fence and block set up, but increased the amount of "airplane damage", added in newspaper all around the inside of the structure, and soaked everything thoroughly with kerosene. In this expt, the fire was more intense and lasted significantly longer, but... the structure held up just fine. (Sorry no pictures of this one).
What I conclude is that a fairly flimsy steel structure does not distort and bend and collapse very easily from a simple hydrocarbon fire. And thus, it is not clear why the much stronger steel columns in the WTC towers weakened so much from fires that the towers underwent global collapse.
If kerosene/jet fuel/hydrocarbon fires can indeed cause steel structures to collapse, it should be quite simple to show this in an experiment-- right?
Cleita's "loftier debates" post needs to be archived as a stand-alone classic. I burst in spontaneous laughter.
greenbriar (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-16-09 01:11 PM
I have never lied on this forum
Maybe there should be "classic post" competition, like the Top Primitive festivities.
The OP (LoSuckolo) has signed up at CU...
What up CU jerks? (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=22834)
Hey CU ****tards! (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=22833)
And they wonder why we don't like them?
The OP (LoSuckolo) has signed up at CU...
What up CU jerks? (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=22834)
Hey CU ****tards! (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=22833)
And they wonder why we don't like them?
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That's one of the reasons we need mods, for disruptors. And if you've ever looked at FR, there are a while lot of discussions about what's going on here. Same with CU. They seem to be totally preoccupied with what's going on here, unlike us, who rarely discuss them, present thread excepted.
Sock. It's trying to hard to get banned at DU via CU.
Whatever happened to that forum called LibertyPost? Did it go Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul (or his nuttier followers) on us?
That and it took in a bunch of the ClownPosse rejects.
I actually felt dirtier lurking a few times at ClownPosse then I do wandering the DUmp.
That place was almost pure evil no matter what political stripe they claimed to be from.
Yeah well just lurking there has nothing on actually being the target of their hate. Trust me.
They've supposedly got their own sooper dooper secret website now. That and they infested some silly Darwin website as well.
Good riddance to the lot of them.
Darwin Central..started by former Freeper Patrick Henry who would obsessively post evolution threads daily and then ping in a army of minions to tell anyone that disagreed that they were "too stupid to understand" and so on.
I finally cornered the troll one time when someone asked his credentials for being such a scientific expert and he refused to answer.
Said he never claimed any and didn`t have to say any more.
Called him on it and as usual he ran away from the thread hoping his spawn would attack.
They didn`t. :evillaugh:
The CP tools have a whole entire archive of posts I've made. It's rather frightening. They've tried to get me in trouble with my command just as many times as the DUmmies have. Except they went too far and I took what I had on a bunch of them to the MP and had one of their civilian investigators check into it.
LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-21-09 06:24 PM
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The "LoZoccolo" account you see on the conservative message board isn't me.
Nice try trying to get me tombstoned. I don't think I ever use words like "a-hole" or "knuckledragger" though.
mdmc (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-21-09 06:47 PM
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16. DU mods only look at your postings on DU when looking to revoke membership.
So if ya are cool here, don't worry what goes on elsewhere.. Just follow the rules here and ya won't be banned..
What was the outcome?
Never got an official word...but it's been almost two years since I've heard a peep out of them anywhere...I've been promoted twice and still gainfully employed by the Army.
Suffice to say that certain assumptions can be drawn from that.
Sounds like when that Paulbot over at SCC called my HR and tried to get me fired.
Psycho beyotch.
Yeah I had my posts run through JAG and everything. They said I crossed no lines. But that I should be more cautious.
And I have...these people (CP) had some people scared silly...they were posting pictures at their site of the front of people houses...their kids...etc.