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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: USA4ME on December 10, 2009, 08:34:50 AM
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CTLawGuy
what is pissing ME off is the everyone but the Republicans, who are blocking EVERYTHING, is getting blamed for the health care woes. They are ones who are refusing to govern in good faith and who are blocking and frustrating the legislative process for political gain. They are the ones who are forcing Obama and the Dem leadership to kowtow to conservatives like Lieberman and Nelson or risk utter failure. And they will be the ones sitting pretty in 2010 if people don't get some perspective on what is going on.
It really bothers me that the Rs might get away with this shit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x45979
The Dems have the House and the 60 votes they need in the Senate to do whatever they want. Apparently, this idiot gets his law from the back of a comic book.
Some try and set him straight. Why? I dunno.
depakid
10. Sorry, ace -it's the Democrats who are failing to enforce party discipline and effectively pass responsible public policy.
Blaming Republicans doesn't fly when you have this large a majority.
Hell, Republicans got unpopular- sometimes profoundly unpopular policies passed with much less!
Dems can't even get 'er done when the policies have 70% + support across the country- and upwards of 60% in their own districts.
Now, what's wrong with that picture?
I know, 70%+ support and 60% in their own districts are lies. I said they were trying to set him striaght, not that they'd be honest when doing it. That'd be asking too much.
CTLawGuy
Response to Reply #10
14. almost no radical legislation has ever passed with 100% Democrats in favor.
LBJ, the guy who "rammed" legislation through congress, lost 120 Democrats on the Civil Rights Act! 120! If Obama had that success rate, HCR would be dead before it got out of the gate. LBJ could get away with because the Republicans allowed independent thought back then and enough Rs voted for it to make up for the lost Dems.
LBJ lost 70 Dems on Medicare as well. What's Obama's margin for error? 40, all House members. He can't lose one dem in the senate.
He has to do almost twice as well among Dems as LBJ did for Medicare in order to pass HCR.
And who is responsible for that situation? the party who refuses to allow any independent thought.
Ah, "independent thought" means crossing over. So it's the same way they define "bi-partisian," that is, it's when R's do what the D's want them to do.
salguine
12. Nonsense. The only way the minority could block the majority this thoroughly is that the majority is perfectly satisfied with being blocked.
This one is saying the Dems are complicit; a charge I've seen from time to time on the island.
CTLawGuy
Response to Reply #12
15. its very easy to block legislation
Obama has to get EVERY SINGLE Democrat in the Senate to pass ANYTHING. How is failing to do so indicative of being "satisfied" to be blocked?
That's right, he needs all 60, which he can't do, which should tell you somethings about the Dems. Instead, you wrongly focus on the R's who can do nothing but sit back and watch. That's the sign of stupid on your part.
This idiots sounds like the perfect candidate for the ACLU or some other Marxist front group.
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I suppose it doesn't occur to CTLawguy that this is shitty legislation. There's a thread over there all pissed off, torches and pitchforks, over this HCR. Funny, they have a problem with a policy costing $21,000 per year. Or even the bare bones one at $865 per month. People just don't have that kind of money, and the esteemed senators fail to realize that.
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Dissent and saying "NO!" are patriotic........only when done by democrats.
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it amuses me how these Satan's Little Goons are too mentally stunted to understand that blocking these crappy unAmerican bills is just as much a part of the "legislative process" - just as valid - as voting/passing them.
"Progress" for progress' sake is childish and stupid. Sometimes "progress" is a BAD THING. In fact, ALL of the time "progress" is a bad thing when it is used in the context of liberalism/facism/socialism/Little Goonism
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I just want to know where they're getting their statistics because even liberal pollsters aren't finding much support for these programs or those proposing them, even when oversampling Dems.
Cindie
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I find it amusing that the primitives and Harry Reid are all trying to blame health care not being passed on the GOP. When in fact Dingy Harry can't get the 60 votes from his own people. I'm proud of the GOP for not caving and helping the dims get this though.
The most amusing or sad part of all this is, the primitives will suffer greatly if this passes and they have to shell out money to evil corporations to buy mandatory insurance. Guess who they will blame though? That's right the repukes.
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I find it amusing that the primitives and Harry Reid are all trying to blame health care not being passed on the GOP. When in fact Dingy Harry can't get the 60 votes from his own people. I'm proud of the GOP for not caving and helping the dims get this though.
The most amusing or sad part of all this is, the primitives will suffer greatly if this passes and they have to shell out money to evil corporations to buy mandatory insurance. Guess who they will blame though? That's right the repukes.
One of the things that piss me off about the republicans, is the fact that they are even bothering to offer amendments to this crap bill. They should a a bloc have said, unless we are included from the start we are all voting no.
Health care is to important not to be done in a bi-partisan manner.
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One of the things that piss me off about the republicans, is the fact that they are even bothering to offer amendments to this crap bill. They should a a bloc have said, unless we are included from the start we are all voting no.
Health care is to important not to be done in a bi-partisan manner.
Maybe they are stalling. :-)
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Cindie, they do that all the time, don't they? "90% of the American people want single payer health care!!!! It's a fact!!!" I have never seen them call each other on it. Maybe once, by OPERATIONMINDCRIME or Paulsby or someone. In any half-way serious internet forum, people provide links to sources. That's the beauty of it. But, of course, this is the DUmp.
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Ah, "independent thought" means crossing over. So it's the same way they define "bi-partisian," that is, it's when R's do what the D's want them to do.
To be completely fair, that's also how McCain defined it.
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To be completely fair, that's also how McCain defined it.
Touche'......
doc