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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on December 03, 2009, 05:24:57 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=268x3035
Oh my.
These primitives aren't quite as bad as the anti-milk primitives, but still, they're pretty bad.
kerrywins (688 posts) Mon Nov-30-09 02:42 PM
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Dairy Farmers Push To Outlaw Raw Milk
http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Legislation/US-dairy-i...
Dairy farmers are trying to use the government to give them an advantage over their competition.
Dairy farmers are trying to keep Americans alive and healthy, untuberculor.
no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-30-09 02:46 PM
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1. Raw milk equivalent to shine.
That's a new one.
Deep13 (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-30-09 02:48 PM
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2. No fresh cheeze for you!
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-30-09 02:50 PM
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3. Can you correct your header? It is not the farmers doing this --
It is the International Dairy Foods Association (IDFA) and the National Milk Producers Federation (NMPF) who are doing this.
Big difference. Just as your phsyicians may not agree with the AMA on things, your dairy farmers do not necessarily agree with these orgs.
Well, franksolich thinks that's a mighty fine stance the IDFA and the NMPF are taking, to counteract the well-financed anti-milk lobby.
BlueFog (8 posts) Wed Dec-02-09 07:41 AM
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4. I can speak only of the state of WI in this matter as to regulations and safeguards on the farm when we owned/operated a small, family, commercial dairy from the early '40s to the early '90s.
The FDA & WI licensed creamery we shipped to routinely tested our milk for tuberculosis, brucillosis, etc., also for 'sediment', somatic cell count (lymphocytes) and raw bacteria count. And a state inspector came twice a year - unannounced. We considered OUR OWN raw milk very fit for human consumption.
All those years we drank our own raw milk. But, But, we (I) was meticulous as to udder hygiene and made a 'game' out of how clean the filter would be after each milking. We averaged 2000/ml raw bacteria count and by law pasteurized milk from the grocery store could be 22,000/ml. Also state WI law was that we could not put raw milk into containers to sell it. There was a neighbor who had adopted a negro/Asian toddler who could not tolerate milk from the grocery store and asked if he could try our raw milk. He would come to the farm with his own container and get milk direct from the bulk tank. That little adopted boy grew up on our raw milk and his Dad brought him over to see us before sending him off to collage.
When we retired we really missed having our raw milk. I visited two farms to see if I could get raw milk from them, timing my arrival just as milking was finished, and after casually seeing their milk line filters, never brought up the subject. Hubby can tolerate pasteurized milk, but I can't, so I go without and take calcium citrate instead.
The problem here is that the foggy blue primitive knew the source of her milk, way on up to which udder of the cow it came out of.
That's not an option available to most people.
newfie11 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 09:10 AM
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5. For years while living in Virginia we bought raw milk from a local farmer. The family had a few dairy cows and milked by hand. Even at that time it was illegal to buy raw milk but because I came with someone already buying it they agreed to sell it to us. The milk and butter were the best I have ever had. The 6 years we lived there we never had a problem with milk and even raised a litter of kittens on raw cows milk after the mom dried up from a rabies shot. Processed milk and kittens do not get along but these did fine.
I sure missed the cream in my coffee after moving. So we ended up getting a dairy goat of course the goat milk comes out homogenized so no cream automatically separated.
Yes I would never buy unprocessed milk from a dairy using milking machines.
franksolich wouldn't buy unprocessed milk, period.
There's a good reason milk is processed.
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I grew up on raw milk,from infant on so was immune to whatever there may have been in it.
Not sure I would advise someone "taking it up" as an adult.
In school all they had was the little cartons of plain or chocolate milk and being used to Jersey/Guernsey milk I could`nt drink the pasturized white without almost gagging.
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My stepmother grew up at a dairy farm in Maine. We went up regularly, and drank the raw milk. I loved it, but it made my brother sick as a dog. Funny, the kids that grew up there HATED the raw milk, and would only drink it if chocolate was added.
ETA: I wouldn't drink raw milk from just anywhere now. There is no telling what you would get.
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kerrywins (688 posts) Mon Nov-30-09 02:42 PM
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Dairy Farmers Push To Outlaw Raw Milk
http://www.foodnavigator-...om/Legislation/US-dairy-i...
Dairy farmers are trying to use the government to give them an advantage over their competition.
What's wrong with this, DUmmy? This is merely a result of government encroachment in free markets, and we all know the history of entanglement between government and the agricultural industry. And, seeing as government interference in economic matters can only give unearned benefit to one group of people at the expense of another, the farmers mentioned here are only working within the confines of DUmmy statist philosophy. Can't compete? Lobby the government for a competitive advantage. You're complaining about the exact thing you and your ilk helped to implement and advance.
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My father was from a family of ten children. They had one cow, and it supported all of their milk product needs.
I wouldn't drink raw milk unless I was intimately familiar with the teet from which it emerged.
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Pasteurization was one of the greatest health discoveries of the modern age. Its main benefit was the near eradication of tuberculosis, especially in kids, which would still be a killer if raw milk were more widely consumed. If you go back a three or four generations, almost no one can claim a family that did not suffer some early deaths due to tuberculosis. Even with today's antibiotics, tuberculosis is a difficult and dangerous disease.
Advocating raw milk is as DUmb as fighting against fluoridated water.