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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mike220 on December 02, 2009, 07:21:47 PM
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Bunch of piece of shit pantywaists. They need to all take a flying leap.
T-D (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/article/POLEGAT02_20091202-091201/309031/P20/)
Col. Van T. Barfoot, a local Medal of Honor winner, is under the gun from his Henrico County community's homeowner association.
In a five-paragraph letter to Barfoot that he received yesterday, Barfoot is being ordered to remove a flagpole from his yard. The decorated veteran of three wars, now 90 years old, raises the American flag every morning on the pole, then lowers and folds the flag at dusk each day in a three-corner military fashion.
In a priority mail letter, the Coates & Davenport law firm in Richmond is ordering Barfoot to remove the pole by 5 p.m. Friday or face "legal action being brought to enforce the Covenants and Restrictions against you." The letter states that Barfoot will be subject to paying all legal fees and costs in any successful legal proceeding pursued by the homeowner association's board.
Barfoot lives in the Sussex Square community in far western Henrico; its board of directors rejected a plea from Barfoot in July to approve the pole, disallowing the fixture on aesthetic grounds.
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The letter states that Barfoot will be subject to paying all legal fees and costs in any successful legal proceeding pursued by the homeowner association's board.
I don't think that would be enforceable...
I hope he tells them to fawk off... UNLESS... unless he knew about the covenants before moving in (not enough info posted to determine), then he loses my support.
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I don't think that would be enforceable...
I hope he tells them to fawk off... UNLESS... unless he knew about the covenants before moving in (not enough info posted to determine), then he loses my support.
From the story:
There is no provision in the community's rules expressly forbidding flagpoles, Barfoot's daughter said. But she said the board ruled against her father's fixture and ordered it removed in July, deciding that free-standing flag poles are not aesthetically appropriate.
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Cool - thanks. :cheersmate:
Then he should tell them to pound sand.
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TOTALLY tell them to pound sand.
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HOA's are the homeowner communitiy version of Unions....
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Tell them to FOAD
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Precisely why I would never own a home that had an HOA. City and County BS is enough to contend with.
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oh FFS the guy won a medal of honor let him fly his flag besides he's 90 freaking years old so the idiots only have to put up with it for a few more years at the most. :banghead:
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HOA are the bane of my husband's existence from living in a suburb of Atlanta, Georgia. Let's just say there were a lot of arguments between the president and my husband. Then we moved to Texas where our HOA rules are very specific. No livestock and no oil derricks in our yard.
I read this story to my husband and blood started shooting out of his eyes. He says he would donate to the veteran's legal fees fund.
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Which is why, after having lived under one in CA, I will never own a home under an association again.
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HOA are the bane of my husband's existence from living in a suburb of Atlanta, Georgia. Let's just say there were a lot of arguments between the president and my husband. Then we moved to Texas where our HOA rules are very specific. No livestock and no oil derricks in our yard.
I read this story to my husband and blood started shooting out of his eyes. He says he would donate to the veteran's legal fees fund.
I was listening to Levin talk about this last night. He was daring one of the lawyers representing the HOA to come on the show.
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COL Barfoot's MOH citation:
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty on 23 May 1944, near Carano, Italy. With his platoon heavily engaged during an assault against forces well entrenched on commanding ground, 2d Lt. Barfoot (then Tech. Sgt.) moved off alone upon the enemy left flank. He crawled to the proximity of 1 machinegun nest and made a direct hit on it with a hand grenade, killing 2 and wounding 3 Germans. He continued along the German defense line to another machinegun emplacement, and with his tommygun killed 2 and captured 3 soldiers. Members of another enemy machinegun crew then abandoned their position and gave themselves up to Sgt. Barfoot. Leaving the prisoners for his support squad to pick up, he proceeded to mop up positions in the immediate area, capturing more prisoners and bringing his total count to 17. Later that day, after he had reorganized his men and consolidated the newly captured ground, the enemy launched a fierce armored counterattack directly at his platoon positions. Securing a bazooka, Sgt. Barfoot took up an exposed position directly in front of 3 advancing Mark VI tanks. From a distance of 75 yards his first shot destroyed the track of the leading tank, effectively disabling it, while the other 2 changed direction toward the flank. As the crew of the disabled tank dismounted, Sgt. Barfoot killed 3 of them with his tommygun. He continued onward into enemy terrain and destroyed a recently abandoned German fieldpiece with a demolition charge placed in the breech. While returning to his platoon position, Sgt. Barfoot, though greatly fatigued by his Herculean efforts, assisted 2 of his seriously wounded men 1,700 yards to a position of safety. Sgt. Barfoot's extraordinary heroism, demonstration of magnificent valor, and aggressive determination in the face of pointblank fire are a perpetual inspiration to his fellow soldiers.[4]
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Where did you find that Eupher?
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For those that would care to support the elderly gentleman, there's a Facebook group for his support.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=190716948379&ref=mf
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The MOH citation is posted on Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_T._Barfoot
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This man has my support thanks for the info
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Posted by Moose on December 03, 2009 at 6:50 am
Medal Of Honor, folks.
Did these people read the citation? “Securing a bazooka, Sgt. Barfoot took up an exposed position directly in front of 3 advancing Mark VI tanks.“
Think “Rambo, John J.“ but for real. I would let this man fly his underpants from a flagpole if that’s what he wanted to do.
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Isn't this one of those NOVA counties filled to the brim with libs?
More from the "What have you done for ME lately?" generations...
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I was listening to Levin talk about this last night. He was daring one of the lawyers representing the HOA to come on the show.
Same here. Was listening on my way to class. I hope one of the jackass lawyers takes him up on it. I'd love to listen to that beatdown.
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Isn't this one of those NOVA counties filled to the brim with libs?
More from the "What have you done for ME lately?" generations...
It a little farther sounth it's the country that Richmond is in.
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Same here. Was listening on my way to class. I hope one of the jackass lawyers takes him up on it. I'd love to listen to that beatdown.
He's going to try to get him on Friday night...I'd love to see that toungue lashing... :popcorn:
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As the past President of an HOA, they DO serve their purposes IF they are run with a gentle and guiding hand. In my experience, and I'm sorry if I offend the older crowd, but the people that were the absolute worst for my HOA were the old people that lived in the town homes. (55+). I don't know what the hell is in their craw, but they were the bane of my leadership. The single family homeowners were easy to deal with. There were times that I'd have to reign in the Architectural Committee. I took Federal Law and crammed it up their butt. If the Honorable Mr. Barfoot looks at the statute passed in 2005, I think that he'll be able to do the same. An association can't pass an ex post facto law or rule when it comes to covenants, conditions, and restrictions.
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COL Barfoot's MOH citation:
Were this a fair existence, the HOA folks would be lucky to find cover against this man. To think that he is subject to the nit-picky wanna be Lords of Land is just disgusting.
My wife, pre-me, lived in one for a while in Maryland that dictated the exact shade that all doors must be, and type and number of lawn decor in the privacy fenced backyards. I couldn't live in one. I imagine a lot of things I do around the house would break most HOA rules.
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Were this a fair existence, the HOA folks would be lucky to find cover against this man. To think that he is subject to the nit-picky wanna be Lords of Land is just disgusting.
My wife, pre-me, lived in one for a while in Maryland that dictated the exact shade that all doors must be, and type and number of lawn decor in the privacy fenced backyards. I couldn't live in one. I imagine a lot of things I do around the house would break most HOA rules.
:rotf:...everything I do would piss them off. ....and once I got on a roll, I'm sure I could dream up a few more..... :rotf:
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:rotf:...everything I do would piss them off. ....and once I got on a roll, I'm sure I could dream up a few more..... :rotf:
Every once in a while, I break out my 12 gauge and various handguns and expend a fair amount of ammo, right on my property.
Doya think the HOA might have a problem with that if I did the same in their lofty li'l neighborhood? :whistling:
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Every once in a while, I break out my 12 gauge and various handguns and expend a fair amount of ammo, right on my property.
Doya think the HOA might have a problem with that if I did the same in their lofty li'l neighborhood? :whistling:
You'd love my nieghbor at the old home place....the old houses are about 300' apart. He'll cut loose in the backyard with some fully automatic fire every once in a while. I let him do as he pleases and he lets me do as I please, no problem.
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You'd love my nieghbor at the old home place....the old houses are about 300' apart. He'll cut loose in the backyard with some fully automatic fire every once in a while. I let him do as he pleases and he lets me do as I please, no problem.
There's nothing like the smell of cordite in the morning.... :-)
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In defense of HOA's.....they do serve a purpose not only in helping to maintain property values within the subdivision but also to help fight off anyone who threatens those property values.
In this case....the HOA's actions are stupid.....and they picked the wrooonnnnnng person to get stupid with and picked a very stupid issue.
The HOA president never should have gone after Col Barfoot.
However, I kind of understand why he/she did it, because it sets a precedent for someone to put in a flag pole and fly whatever they want - appropriate or not. But if there was no mention in the covenants and restrictions of flagpoles....they can't change it after the fact without a specific percentage of the HOA voting to change it. Even if they did that....they should have just made restrictions on what can be flown from flagpole, not that nothing could be flown.
Legally, a person buying a home in an HOA, is to be presented with a copy of the HOA rules, restrictions and covenants PRIOR to purchase, for review. This doesn't always happen...but that's part of a buyer's agent's job to see that their client has a copy.
Years ago when we were looking for a condo instead of a house....we changed our mind on buying in a particular subdivision because of the HOA rules regarding landscaping. The HOA required that if any plantings surrounding the condo died....it was to be replaced with an identical plant - not only type but size!! Yeah right...I'm going to replace a dead fully grown tree with a live fully grown tree....what am I paying exorbitant fees for?
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In defense of HOA's.....they do serve a purpose not only in helping to maintain property values within the subdivision but also to help fight off anyone who threatens those property values.
In this case....the HOA's actions are stupid.....and they picked the wrooonnnnnng person to get stupid with and picked a very stupid issue.
The HOA president never should have gone after Col Barfoot.
However, I kind of understand why he/she did it, because it sets a precedent for someone to put in a flag pole and fly whatever they want - appropriate or not. But if there was no mention in the covenants and restrictions of flagpoles....they can't change it after the fact without a specific percentage of the HOA voting to change it. Even if they did that....they should have just made restrictions on what can be flown from flagpole, not that nothing could be flown.
Legally, a person buying a home in an HOA, is to be presented with a copy of the HOA rules, restrictions and covenants PRIOR to purchase, for review. This doesn't always happen...but that's part of a buyer's agent's job to see that their client has a copy.
Years ago when we were looking for a condo instead of a house....we changed our mind on buying in a particular subdivision because of the HOA rules regarding landscaping. The HOA required that if any plantings surrounding the condo died....it was to be replaced with an identical plant - not only type but size!! Yeah right...I'm going to replace a dead fully grown tree with a live fully grown tree....what am I paying exorbitant fees for?
And this is why we consider you people Evil!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kidding............when I surveyed and we pulled deeds and maps.....we also got copis of the covenants.........holy shit the things I read. Can't have antennea, can't have a boat, can't raise th hood and jack the car up, can jack the car up but jack stands can't be prest for more than six hours.....on and on and on.
My feelings if someone flies something inappropriate, then let the neighbors handle it, if they got a problem with the American flag.......shoot em
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I read a book several years ago about an evil HOA, that was controlled by something malevolent living under the land it was built on.
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I will never and I do mean NEVER own a home in an area that has an HOA.
I'll be damned if I let somebody tell me what I can do with my own property.
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I will never and I do mean NEVER own a home in an area that has an HOA.
I'll be damned if I let somebody tell me what I can do with my own property.
That's what I always said...but any of the nicer homes in south florida are in HOA developments with gated entrances. So, I live in an HOA community...so far, I haven't run into any issues...and I fly my flag on my front porch. They really aren't ALL bad.....but some certainly are.
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I will never and I do mean NEVER own a home in an area that has an HOA.
I'll be damned if I let somebody tell me what I can do with my own property.
:cheersmate:
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I read a book several years ago about an evil HOA, that was controlled by something malevolent living under the land it was built on.
There was an X Files on that too.
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And this is why we consider you people Evil!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kidding............when I surveyed and we pulled deeds and maps.....we also got copis of the covenants.........holy shit the things I read. Can't have antennea, can't have a boat, can't raise th hood and jack the car up, can jack the car up but jack stands can't be prest for more than six hours.....on and on and on.
My feelings if someone flies something inappropriate, then let the neighbors handle it, if they got a problem with the American flag.......shoot em
I'm not evil..... :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
I live in a gated subdivision, with extensive covenants and restrictions. However, minimum lot size is 1 acre with the largest almost 9 acres. Only the ones that are right up to the road and totally visible are really scrutinized. We're on 3.2 acres, the house can't be seen from the street... and no one's going to drive down our drive and scrutinize our house....at least no one has in the 6 years we've lived there....