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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: JakeStyle on November 25, 2009, 04:58:37 AM
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Taking the cue from H2Oman, cleveramerican tries the sock puppet sympathy ploy:
cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Nov-25-09 05:09 AM
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cleveramerican was nearly killed by drunk driver last night.
Last night ,my dad, was broadsided coming through our town by a drunk driver and sustained serious injuries.He was on his way home from town meeting where he spoke passionately in favor of spending the money to build a new high school for my sisters and I.He has a broken back, two broken arms and a fractured skull.He was taken by helicopter to Boston where he is in intensive care. My mom says he will probably live but he is very badly hurt and needs our prayers more than ever before.His pride and joy, his Mini Cooper is completely destroyed and dad doesn't even know it yet.
He was wearing his DU tee shirt when the accident happened.
The lady who hit him was arrested for drunk driving for the 10th time. She has no license to drive, the car was a borrowed one. She killed a six year old boy in another car wreck in 1999.Now she has nearly killed my dad.
I don't want my dad to die I still need him. He has a way of explaining things that makes it all seem like it will work out okay. We talk about boys and high school and the news and he makes it all seem not so scary for me. I love him for that.
Some of you may already know, some of you may have sent over food for my family, But I wanted to try and let some of Dads friends here about what has happened.He was wearing his DU tee shirt when the accident happened.
Say a prayer for my dad. Sincerely yours, hope-to-one-day-be-a cleveramerican
BullShit Linkage (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7085427)
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That doesn't sound like BS to me. I hope he recovers completely and quickly.
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Not seeing anything about it here (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/newsarchive/index.html). Although, there is a story about a mom and her 2 kids being in an accident with a drunk driver.
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I thought if you drove a Mini Cooper and wore a DU tee shirt(holy relic), you were supposed to be invincible?
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I feel sorry for them no matter what I personally lost 27 friends in one night from one drunk driver. Drinking and getting behind a steering wheel never ever makes sense to me no matter how much or how little you have drank.
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Best wishes for the Dad's recovery, even if he is a DUmmie...and maybe he should try driving some Detroit iron in the future, to show his undying support for the UAW, y'know.
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I feel sorry for them no matter what I personally lost 27 friends in one night from one drunk driver. Drinking and getting behind a steering wheel never ever makes sense to me no matter how much or how little you have drank.
Really? Were they in a bus or ..... Man, how do you kill 27 people at one time? If you don't mind could you tell that story?
Thanks,
KC
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On the off chance it's true, I hope the guy recovers so he can get that new high school, where maybe his DUmbass kid can learn the difference between subjective and objective case pronouns.
But in the overwhelmingly probable chance it's a bouncy, a DUmbass in a MiniCooper sounds a lot like a liberal guy and a liberal gal in a Yugo. I wonder if he swerved to miss a baby duck.
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Guys, don't you think that a nearly fatal DUI wreck, with the driver being arrested for 10 DUIs in the past, would be in the news somewhere in Massachusetts? If you can track down the story, I've tried multiple searches now, I'd like to see it. I can't come up with anything on it.
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Guys, don't you think that a nearly fatal DUI wreck, with the driver being arrested for 10 DUIs in the past, would be in the news somewhere in Massachusetts? If you can track down the story, I've tried multiple searches now, I'd like to see it. I can't come up with anything on it.
It certainly should be news where it occurred. I, too, have run a number of searches and not come up with anything; however, absence of proof is not proof of absence, and it could have happened in another state - I believe that hospitals like the ones in Boston are regional facilities and severe accident victims are airlifted there from a number of surrounding states - in which case it might be almost impossible to track down at this point without further evidence that restricts the possible geographic locale.
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I won't speculate as to the 'truthiness' of the post but one thing does bother me;
The lady who hit him was arrested for drunk driving for the 10th time. She has no license to drive, the car was a borrowed one. She killed a six year old boy in another car wreck in 1999.Now she has nearly killed my dad.
How do you get that much information on the other driver that quickly?
KC
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It certainly should be news where it occurred. I, too, have run a number of searches and not come up with anything; however, absence of proof is not proof of absence, and it could have happened in another state - I believe that hospitals like the ones in Boston are regional facilities and severe accident victims are airlifted there from a number of surrounding states - in which case it might be almost impossible to track down at this point without further evidence that restricts the possible geographic locale.
While it is true that many locales will transport critically injured patients to Boston hospitals, news such as that would be a regional story.
So far, I've found nothing in a search of the Boston, Portland, and Providence TV stations, and nothing in any newspaper in ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, or RI.
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While it is true that many locales will transport critically injured patients to Boston hospitals, news such as that would be a regional story.
So far, I've found nothing in a search of the Boston, Portland, and Providence TV stations, and nothing in any newspaper in ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, or RI.
Then I would have to agree that you've built a fairly strong, albeit circumstantial (which ain't a knock on thee), case that the DU post was a fraud.
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While it is true that many locales will transport critically injured patients to Boston hospitals, news such as that would be a regional story.
So far, I've found nothing in a search of the Boston, Portland, and Providence TV stations, and nothing in any newspaper in ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, or RI.
Plus, stack on that a manslaughter conviction in 1999 on a 6-year-old boy? Smell test...
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It's a bouncy.
No mention of the drunk being an evil republican.
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Another reason to think it may be a bouncy...
WHICH Boston hospital?
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If it is true, then I am praying for his recovery. If it isn't true, well then, I wonder what is going on with Cleveramerican that he would need to garnish so much attention? And, with that being said, did you know he plays guitar too?
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I wonder what is going on with Cleveramerican that he would need to garnish so much attention?
He wants the attention Pam's getting . . .
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Really? Were they in a bus or ..... Man, how do you kill 27 people at one time? If you don't mind could you tell that story?
Thanks,
KC
It was in the late 1980's it was when my youth group was coming back from King's Island in Ohio back to our church in Radcliff Ky. I look back now and I am very greatful to be alive I was sick the day of the trip so my mom and dad wouldn't let me go.
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It was in the late 1980's it was when my youth group was coming back from King's Island in Ohio back to our church in Radcliff Ky. I look back now and I am very greatful to be alive I was sick the day of the trip so my mom and dad wouldn't let me go.
That is horrible. God has/had other things for you.
KC
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Techn0Girl (390 posts) Wed Nov-25-09 02:50 PM
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117. Wishing your Father a fast and full recovery...
Also , someone needs to make sure that this drunk woman remains behind bars for a long time. You might want to consider writing an Op-Ed piece on this to a local newspaper. Perhaps it might lead to changes in the law and/or put pressure on the next judge and DA to put this awful woman away.
Yeah, maybe the same one the initially reported the story... ::)
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That is horrible. God has/had other things for you.
KC
Thank you very much KC my parent's tease me it is because they needed to see me get my paybacks for my teen years
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-25-09 11:42 AM
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64. Wow, I hope he recovers quickly and as fully as possible
WTF is someone with NINE PRIOR DUIs INCLUDING A FATALITY doing outside of a jail cell?
I think we are ALL wondering that, slackmaster. What IS a 9-time DUI offender, with a manslaughter conviction, doing outside of a jail cell and how come no media outlet in the Boston-area is reporting on it?
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I think we are ALL wondering that, slackmaster. What IS a 9-time DUI offender, with a manslaughter conviction, doing outside of a jail cell and how come no media outlet in the Boston-area is reporting on it?
I blame those damn liberal judges that believe in "one more second chance".
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It's a bouncy.
No mention of the drunk being an evil republican.
Agreed; it's a bouncy.
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There was one sentence that immediately caught my eye in the OP.
He was wearing his DU shirt.
Uh, if you are grief-stricken and worried your dad might not make it, why in the world would this thought be in your head? Maybe I just dont get these people at all, but that would definately not have been in any kind of true story I told. Is it to garner more sympathy? Make it seem more realistic? Or is this a true, but really odd story?
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He wants the attention Pam's getting . . .
Aren't I good at subtly encouraging the primitives to do certain things?
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I won't speculate as to the 'truthiness' of the post but one thing does bother me;
How do you get that much information on the other driver that quickly?
KC
Exactly what I was thinking.....Smells of :bs: to me......
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I have done some digging, and so far have not managed to find this story - which is odd because putting pressure on Massachusetts' inability to remove licenses from problem drivers and get mandatory testing for older drivers is something that the Commonwealth's Tebaggin' hate radio listening, knuckle-draggin' rethugliKKKans do every day. And since I spend my time listening to Boston area Hate-Radio with all the other teabaggers, I should have heard this story several times over the last 24 hours.
I will keep looking though, because I really find it hard to accept that anyone would be so vile as to report this as it would be an act of fraud.. But then again, this is DU were talking about...
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I think we are ALL wondering that, slackmaster. What IS a 9-time DUI offender, with a manslaughter conviction, doing outside of a jail cell and how come no media outlet in the Boston-area is reporting on it?
If the person is an elderly AARP card carrying member, they wont. Elections are coming up and the AARP has powerful friends here.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7454323
Update to the story. It was a bit too boring to merit it's own thread after I finally read it.
cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-13-10 10:19 AM
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November 24, 2009 a day that changed my life. Updated at 11:52 AM
It was a day like so many others, I went to work and came home to have supper of tacos with my wife an three daughters, just like I always do.
After supper I was looking forward to sitting down with my feet up and watching Hardball.
My beautiful wife reminded me of an important town meeting where a vote would decide weather or not a new high school would be built.
I knew this was big and the anti-everything crowd would be out in force to squash it.
A neighbor called to make sure I was going, I told him I was.
I took ten minute to collect my thoughts and made some notes of what I wanted to say.
(Government is about priorities, what priority can possibly be ahead of our children's education..)
My turn came and I let fly like Mussolini from the balcony, stunned some and pleased some others who know me.
The vote was taken and it passed, the next step towards a new high school would be taken.
I felt great, pleased with myself that maybe I had had some small part in getting it done.
This was why I love town meeting, people CAN be convinced.
Hopped in my car and headed home to share the good news with my family.
I thought about stopping to buy a blueberry pie to celebrate but decided against it.
I need to drop a few pounds.
As I came through town, I was sitting at a red light about third in line...
a blue Buick rammed into my passenger door at full speed..broken glass everywhere I spit out a few bits
I know it was a Buick because the grill emblem was right next to my head. I looked at it.
a next bit is foggy but I remember being pressed up against the drivers door and waiting for somebody to come and help me.
I also have a brief glimpse of being loaded into the helicopter which landed on the town common.
I thought wow they landed on the common right near the pick up after your dog sign.
This is all I can recall about the accident.....
cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-13-10 11:02 AM
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10. she was returned to jail Updated at 11:52 AM
she was out on bond for drunk driving when she hit me.
she had been released 1 year prior to my accident for an earlier fatal drunk driving accident
she was on parole
she was arrested for drunk driving, arraigned and released on a bond 4 weeks prior.
she was scheduled to return to court the following Monday,she knew she was going back to jail.
she duped a neighbor into borrowing her car and had spent a few hours in a bar hammering down hi-balls.
they are going to add another ten years onto her sentence, which doesn't help me much.
I have forgiven her, because its easier for me. Its too much work and goes against my nature to carry hate, I have to focus on my recovery.
cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-13-10 11:22 AM
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20. a full recovery is not truthfully in the cards Updated at 11:52 AM
I'll never run another marathon
I'll never ski again
I'll never play ice hockey again.
I'll never ride my motorcycle again.
My recovery depends entirely on me and a bit of luck.
I vow to work as hard as humanly possible to recover as much of my former physical abilities as anyone can.
Meh.
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Uh. If he is upset about not getting any money from her about this, well, isn't that what PIP is for?
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Spend whose money on a new high school?
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Guys, don't you think that a nearly fatal DUI wreck, with the driver being arrested for 10 DUIs in the past, would be in the news somewhere in Massachusetts? If you can track down the story, I've tried multiple searches now, I'd like to see it. I can't come up with anything on it.
Nah, a lot of accidents never get reported
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Nah, a lot of accidents never get reported
Umm, about every newschannel I can think of would be hot and bothered about reporting on a story which nearly had a fatality in this instance and the driver involved was a 9-time DUI offender with a manslaughter conviction and was also intoxicated during this very accident.
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Uh. If he is upset about not getting any money from her about this, well, isn't that what PIP is for?
what town is this?
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-13-10 10:19 AM
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November 24, 2009 a day that changed my life. Updated at 11:52 AM
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My turn came and I let fly like Mussolini from the balcony,
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What a oddly appropriate analogy.
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What a oddly appropriate analogy.
very much and he almost ended up on a lampost it sounds like.
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Mini Cooper AND a DUmp t-shirt?
Poetic justice I say.
There is ZERO chance a drunk moonbat with nine priors and a manslaughter/vehicular homicide would be out on the streets. Even in the socialist state of gross political correctness Massachusetts.
Pathetic bouncy but laughable attempt for additional victim cred with the DUmp t-shirt lie.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-13-10 10:19 AM
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November 24, 2009 a day that changed my life. Updated at 11:52 AM
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My turn came and I let fly like Mussolini from the balcony,
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What a oddly appropriate analogy.
My mental image of that was the moonbat hanging upside down by a rope, flying across the auditorium while the voters spit on him. Just like his hero from 1940's Italy.
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Mussolini, in a DUmp t-shirt. What kind of dipshit would go to make a speech at a town meeting, hoping to impress and sway the opinions of his fellow citizens, dressed in a DUmp t-shirt? If he's actually injured, it's far more likely he got liquored up, or high on weed, and trashed his scooter.
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Mussolini, in a DUmp t-shirt. What kind of dipshit would go to make a speech at a town meeting, hoping to impress and sway the opinions of his fellow citizens, dressed in a DUmp t-shirt? If he's actually injured, it's far more likely he got liquored up, or high on weed, and trashed his scooter.
The fact he was wearing his DU t-shirt was important enough for the OP to mention it twice.
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If someone was a victim in an accident that is a terrible thing and wouldn`t make light of it.
However I am a bit suspect because in their efforts to be too authentic sometimes in their ignorance they goof up.
As I came through town, I was sitting at a red light about third in line...
a blue Buick rammed into my passenger door at full speed..broken glass everywhere I spit out a few bits
That would mean a car at an intersection would have had to cut the corner by almost 40 feet.
Think about the nature of a town and an intersection,we have all been there,and picture the path the car would have to travel from his right to have done this.
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I can believe the story about the drunk driver having all the priors and still be out of jail. Actually I don't know if I believe he was even hit by a drunk driver and I definitely don't believe the part about the town hall meeting but I digress......
My step-sister is an alcoholic, has been arrested and spent time in jail several times yet they let her out time and time again. She has been hospitalized so many times it isn't even funny (sometimes for falling down and seriously hurting herself, sometimes because her blood alcohol level was so high she needed hospitalization). She has been detoxed (in the hospital, in jail or in rehab) more times than I can count yet as soon as she gets out she is back to drinking. The day after Christmas she called (my step-dad (her dad) and my Mom were here), her mega alcoholic boyfriend was in a "coma" and in ICU. She was a slobbering mess. Turns out his blood alcohol level was .48, you read that right .48. Neither of them work, he is a diabetic and has liver problems (the liver problems are from his drinking). She is but a shell of her former self. She had a nursing degree but they took her license away (thank god). She had a husband and children, now they are out of her life (to be truthful her husband was a complete asshole and probably contributed to her alcoholism). She has nothing but a drunken boyfriend. He has a house which is going to be foreclosed on soon. For money he is selling all of his collectables (mainly old cameras and stuff). They both go to AA (when they feel like it) but they don't want to help themselves so it isn't going to work.
I guess I'm going off topic but I don't understand addiction. My brother was addicted to drugs, then he died of a methadone overdose, my step-sister is an alcoholic (as is my dad and my step-dad was...well I don't know if you ever stop being an alcoholic) and she is going to die from it, her boyfriend is definitely going to die from it, her mother died an alcoholic, my other brother is addicted to gambling and use to do pot all the time (he smokes cigarettes one after another now), I know several other addicts, mainly alcoholics. My Mom's good friend (Shade met her at my brothers funeral) overcame her alcoholism only to switch her addiction from alcohol to shopping. I would say she is a borderline hoarder but she isn't dirty like what you see on the show Hoarders.
Once we went to lunch with some friends of my Mom's friend (the one I was talking about above). All of these friends are from AA. We were talking about addiction and they asked me how I can drink an alcoholic drink and just stop. I couldn't answer because I don't know why I can just stop...I just do. I don't think twice about it. I definitely think that addiction is in your genes but part of it is your surroundings. Part nature, part nurture.
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I spit out a few bits
I call bullshit.
I know it was a Buick because the grill emblem was right next to my head. I looked at it.
a next bit is foggy but I remember being pressed up against the drivers door and waiting for somebody to come and help me.
No, asshole. If you lost consciousness, you don't remember what happened DURING the accident. Virtually every crash victim who loses consciousness loses the memory of the crash itself, which is why you hear so many people who say, "All I remember is a screech, and then I woke up here," or words to that effect.
I'm still waiting to hear what town this happened in. Again, this is total and utter bullshit.
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es but part of it is your surroundings. Part nature, part nurture.
Thats a sad story. :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
My family doesn't seem so bad anymore... //sarcasm
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Wonder if it's the same driver that almost killed Mrs. Dawson in the laundromat?
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Thats a sad story. :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
My family doesn't seem so bad anymore... //sarcasm
It is friggen sad. What a waste of life. I forgot to mention that the last time she spent in jail it was for having a wreck while driving drunk (she ran head on to a woman and her daughter). She has no license yet still drives now. :whatever:
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http://waylandstudentpress.com/2009/11/20/new-high-school-overwhelmingly-approved-by-town/
Could not locate a DUI story during this time frame.
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Nada:
http://www.wickedlocal.com/wayland/news/police_and_fire
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It is friggen sad. What a waste of life. I forgot to mention that the last time she spent in jail it was for having a wreck while driving drunk (she ran head on to a woman and her daughter). She has no license yet still drives now. :whatever:
This was your sister? //sarcasm
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Wonder if it's the same driver that almost killed Mrs. Dawson in the laundromat?
At least Pam came up with some pictures of the carnage that resulted when that guy bumped into the Wichita "laundry mat". (I wonder if there is a "laundry mat" in DUmmy TwixVoy's "air port".) If DUmmy cleveramerican is trying to follow in Pam's footprints to the 2010 Top DUmmy title, he's going to have to step it up. Others, like DUmmy Writer, are setting a torrid pace.
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This was your sister? //sarcasm
My STEP-sister who I did NOT grow up with. I shared a room with her for about 6 months when I was about 11 or 12 years old (she is 6 years older than me). She was always in trouble.
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If DUmmy cleveramerican is trying to follow in Pam's footprints to the 2010 Top DUmmy title, he's going to have to step it up. Others, like DUmmy Writer, are setting a torrid pace.
It's definitely no panhandling for skydiving bouncy.
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If someone was a victim in an accident that is a terrible thing and wouldn`t make light of it.
However I am a bit suspect because in their efforts to be too authentic sometimes in their ignorance they goof up.
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As I came through town, I was sitting at a red light about third in line...
a blue Buick rammed into my passenger door at full speed..broken glass everywhere I spit out a few bits
That would mean a car at an intersection would have had to cut the corner by almost 40 feet.
Think about the nature of a town and an intersection,we have all been there,and picture the path the car would have to travel from his right to have done this
This is what I was thinking as well....
How could he get tagged on the passenger side at a stop light, being the third car in line? The only way I think it could happen is if he was driving a car with the steering wheel on the right-hand side....
Otherwise, I have to call :bs: on this one....
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This is what I was thinking as well....
How could he get tagged on the passenger side at a stop light, being the third car in line? The only way I think it could happen is if he was driving a car with the steering wheel on the right-hand side....
Otherwise, I have to call :bs: on this one....
It was a mini cooper. Could be that the wheel was on the right.
How about this quote from DUmmie whitetara...
"Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum Om Mani Padme Hum
wtf...
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This is what I was thinking as well....
How could he get tagged on the passenger side at a stop light, being the third car in line? The only way I think it could happen is if he was driving a car with the steering wheel on the right-hand side....
Otherwise, I have to call :bs: on this one....
There is too much wrong with that to be believable.
A typical small town intersection.
(http://www.bestsamplequestions.com/driving-test-sample-questions/images/driving-test-sample-questions-scenario3.gif)
A large multi lane one
(http://www.orlandoinjurylawyerblog.com/intersection.bmp)
Imagine the angles required for that scene to be played out.
Then he gets very specific regarding the grill emblem being by his head.
The vehicle would have had to have impacted him at an angle of roughly 45 degrees relative to how he was parked.
That would be the front right quarter panel not the door.
To have come in broadside would require the moving vehicle to have left its lane much earlier and traveled quite a distance..one would have to believe that there were no buildings at that corner of a town intersection for that to have happened.
At impact energy is released in different ways..bending of the structure and deflection the main two.
His vehicle would have to have turned counterclockwise and the moving vehicle not deflected at all.
Then for the passenger compartment to have been penetrated his car would have not been able to be pushed sideways or the speed was such that like a bullet it compromised the passenger compartment at impact.
In the original thread his injuries were as follows
He has a broken back, two broken arms and a fractured skull.
Keep in mind this was from Nov 24th,just over 8 weeks ago.
I can`t guess but is it plausible that given that a person would now be home typing away at a computer?
He makes the mistake of being too detailed without thought of the physics involved.
If I am incorrect in anything here I would appreciate it being pointed out and I will stand corrected.
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You know it really would depend on how this accident occurred. Had ths vehicle just veered straight to this line of vehicles head on from the cross lane, then they surely would have hit a curb or sidewalk, which would have affected the speed and impact. When a vehicle is hit on the right side, your body moves to the right side as you are sitting still while your vehicle is being pushed to the left. He would have hit the grill of that Buick like a brick wall and would be seriously injured - most likely so much that he would not recall the grill, or the helicopter landing.
8 weeks into a broken back and arms injury? I would be very surprised he was using a computer like this -- but he was wearing his DU tshirt which must have the power of superman's cape. We can't disregard that important piece of information.
I would need to see the damage to the vehicle to comment further on point of impact and how that relates to mechanism of injury.
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Hell, I'd just settle for the TOWN this happened in. Something tells me he'd be called out even by his fellow DUmmies if he did, however.
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It was in the late 1980's it was when my youth group was coming back from King's Island in Ohio back to our church in Radcliff Ky. I look back now and I am very greatful to be alive I was sick the day of the trip so my mom and dad wouldn't let me go.
I remember that.
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BEG, I'm sorry for your family's troubles. You certainly turned out normal, thank the Good Lord.
What gets me about this thread is the OP. Has anybody here ever said to their children and spouse: "If, God forbid, anything terrible happens to me, I need you to log onto conservativecave.com, and let them know what happened. My screenname is this and my password is that. Please do it right away after you get home from the hospital. Tell them what I was wearing. Twice."
The nine priors and a manslaughter? If it was a slow news day, it might have made national news. It might have made it onto Bill O in his quest to expose loony judges.
The cynic in me wonders if this isn't a subtle set-up for a future charity drive.
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What gets me about this thread is the OP. Has anybody here ever said to their children and spouse: "If, God forbid, anything terrible happens to me, I need you to log onto conservativecave.com, and let them know what happened. My screenname is this and my password is that. Please do it right away after you get home from the hospital. Tell them what I was wearing. Twice."
hahaha
:hyper:
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x13055
5th District is Lowell, Lawrence, Haverhill, Methuen, and Chelmsford.
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Face it, people; the toocleverbyhalf primitive just got drunk and went out driving.
He has no idea what he crashed into.
One of the characteristics of primitives is that when they do something stupid, they write a story where it was someone else who did that something stupid.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7175134
An update I never saw just two weeks after the "accident." Here's an example, for writing style comparison of his supposed offspring and his own aversion to paragraphs. Combine with the 1st Law of Skin's Island.
cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-07-09 05:21 PM
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Update on cleveramerican Updated at 11:52 AM
He came through back surgery with flying colors.
He is out of ICU.
He still has quite a bit of healing to do.
I shared some du'ers greetings and warm thoughts for his recovery.
He's not up to posting but is formulating.
The drunk who nearly killed him was returned to jail to serve out the rest of her 15 year sentence.
It turns out she was awaiting sentencing when the accident happened.
The district attorney has filed additional charges as a result of the accident which hurt my Dad.
She borrowed the car from a well meaning downstairs neighbor at 4 pm for "10 minutes".
The neighbor had actually called the cops around 8:30 and reported what had happened.
The cops were actively looking for her when the accident happened at about 9:15.
cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-13-10 11:22 AM
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20. a full recovery is not truthfully in the cards Updated at 11:52 AM
I'll never run another marathon
I'll never ski again
I'll never play ice hockey again.
I'll never ride my motorcycle again.
My recovery depends entirely on me and a bit of luck.
I vow to work as hard as humanly possible to recover as much of my former physical abilities as anyone can.
Not to mention two weeks into a broken back, fractured skull and broken arms he was talking and requesting burritos.
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From the [alleged] son:
Last night ,my dad, was broadsided coming through our town by a drunk driver and sustained serious injuries.He was on his way home from town meeting where he spoke passionately in favor of spending the money to build a new high school for my sisters and I.
Sounds like you NEED a new high school. Although the bureaucracy alone will keep it from being finished for at least 10 years, so you're - what - 8 years old?
And from [allegedly] clever himself:
cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-13-10 10:19 AM
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November 24, 2009 a day that changed my life. Updated at 11:52 AM
It was a day like so many others, I went to work and came home to have supper of tacos with my wife an three daughters, just like I always do.
Tacos. Every night. Really?
The writing styles are pretty much identical.
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From the [alleged] son:
Sounds like you NEED a new high school. Although the bureaucracy alone will keep it from being finished for at least 10 years, so you're - what - 8 years old?
And from [allegedly] clever himself:
Tacos. Every night. Really?
The writing styles are pretty much identical.
yup
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So this guy makes a spittal-flying speech at a town hall, begging for more taxpayer funds to be wasted on a brand-spanking new HS so his kids won't have to go to the perfectly-good-but-may-be-in-need-of-upgrades HS they would normally attend. The measure gets passed. And THEN he's creamed by an alleged drunk driver on his way home??
Karma's a bitch, ain't it??
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Okay, if nobody else is prepared to call bullshit on this turd, I will.
As I have mentioned, a little over a year ago, my wife was in an automobile accident in which she had a collapsed lung, broken pelvis, punctured spleen, broken jaw and a ruptured blood vessel in her brain. Compared to the injuries the DUmbass discribes, fairly minor. Unlike the bullshitting DUmmy though, when my wife says she has no memory of the event, what she means is that she literally has a blank spot in her memory timeline that goes back to the Friday before the accident (4 days prior to impact) and carries through to about Christmas (still spotty), and she doesn't have complete memory until just after New Years 2009. There's no, "remembering the Buick hood ornament next to her head" crap.
This guy clims a "fractured skull". An order of magnitude worse than the injury my wife sustained. Yet he claims such a perfect, detailed memory of everything that occured right up to point of impact, and fragments of memory immediately following? Horseshit! I got $50 bucks that says either that the poster who suggested he's covering for time he spent in the gray-bar hotel is right, or this shithead is laying the groundwork for Round 2 of the Skins Island Scamdal.
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Okay, if nobody else is prepared to call bullshit on this turd, I will.
Haven't I been doing that this whole thread?
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This guy clims a "fractured skull". An order of magnitude worse than the injury my wife sustained. Yet he claims such a perfect, detailed memory of everything that occured right up to point of impact, and fragments of memory immediately following? Horseshit! I got $50 bucks that says either that the poster who suggested he's covering for time he spent in the gray-bar hotel is right, or this shithead is laying the groundwork for Round 2 of the Skins Island Scamdal.
Yep, two weeks into a fractured skull and he was asking for burritos.
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If this dickwad gets his PayPal account out there racking up credits for this half-baked scam, DUmmy Straight Story is gonna be pissed!! That could be his skydiving money!
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I can believe the story about the drunk driver having all the priors and still be out of jail. Actually I don't know if I believe he was even hit by a drunk driver and I definitely don't believe the part about the town hall meeting but I digress......
My step-sister is an alcoholic, has been arrested and spent time in jail several times yet they let her out time and time again. She has been hospitalized so many times it isn't even funny (sometimes for falling down and seriously hurting herself, sometimes because her blood alcohol level was so high she needed hospitalization). She has been detoxed (in the hospital, in jail or in rehab) more times than I can count yet as soon as she gets out she is back to drinking. The day after Christmas she called (my step-dad (her dad) and my Mom were here), her mega alcoholic boyfriend was in a "coma" and in ICU. She was a slobbering mess. Turns out his blood alcohol level was .48, you read that right .48. Neither of them work, he is a diabetic and has liver problems (the liver problems are from his drinking). She is but a shell of her former self. She had a nursing degree but they took her license away (thank god). She had a husband and children, now they are out of her life (to be truthful her husband was a complete asshole and probably contributed to her alcoholism). She has nothing but a drunken boyfriend. He has a house which is going to be foreclosed on soon. For money he is selling all of his collectables (mainly old cameras and stuff). They both go to AA (when they feel like it) but they don't want to help themselves so it isn't going to work.
I guess I'm going off topic but I don't understand addiction. My brother was addicted to drugs, then he died of a methadone overdose, my step-sister is an alcoholic (as is my dad and my step-dad was...well I don't know if you ever stop being an alcoholic) and she is going to die from it, her boyfriend is definitely going to die from it, her mother died an alcoholic, my other brother is addicted to gambling and use to do pot all the time (he smokes cigarettes one after another now), I know several other addicts, mainly alcoholics. My Mom's good friend (Shade met her at my brothers funeral) overcame her alcoholism only to switch her addiction from alcohol to shopping. I would say she is a borderline hoarder but she isn't dirty like what you see on the show Hoarders.
Once we went to lunch with some friends of my Mom's friend (the one I was talking about above). All of these friends are from AA. We were talking about addiction and they asked me how I can drink an alcoholic drink and just stop. I couldn't answer because I don't know why I can just stop...I just do. I don't think twice about it. I definitely think that addiction is in your genes but part of it is your surroundings. Part nature, part nurture.
Be easy on us addicts Beg. I'm an alcoholic myself. Come from a long line of 'em. Difference is, I don't have to go to those damn meetins! Addiction is definitely in the genes. Ya just have to realize the fact and operate accordingly. I still drink like a fish but refrain from driving when I do. "Toots" gives me hell 'cause she has to do the drivin' if I get a call.
As a matter of fact, DUI's are my main clientele. Many refuse to take their punishment for being as smart as dog shit!
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Be easy on us addicts Beg. I'm an alcoholic myself. Come from a long line of 'em. Difference is, I don't have to go to those damn meetins! Addiction is definitely in the genes. Ya just have to realize the fact and operate accordingly. I still drink like a fish but refrain from driving when I do. "Toots" gives me hell 'cause she has to do the drivin' if I get a call.
Same here. Luckily, I live within short walking distance of 6 bars. 2 1/2 hours til happy hour.
P.S. Rehab is for quitters. :naughty:
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Same here. Luckily, I live within short walking distance of 6 bars. 2 1/2 hours til happy hour.
P.S. Rehab is for quitters. :naughty:
heh. Boyfriend is a brewer. Good beer at home. And for the rare occasion I venture where people are, my best friend doesn't like the drink. Made in the shade. :naughty:
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Be easy on us addicts Beg. I'm an alcoholic myself.
I was going to point this out, about myself. Almost 3 months clean and sober. I do need to go to the meetings, and I do willingly. Let's just say that I've met a few people that would fit the definition of "conservative" there.
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I was going to point this out, about myself. Almost 3 months clean and sober. I do need to go to the meetings, and I do willingly. Let's just say that I've met a few people that would fit the definition of "conservative" there.
One of the reasons I will have nothing to do with them is way too many libs! They're all so proud of themselves! Then they pop open a beer in the car when they leave. Besides, I enjoy my alcohol. I don't drink to get drunk. I try to keep an even keel. Kinda the same way Larry Hagman explained it.
Excess is wrong no matter how you try to make excuses. No one likes a sloberin' drunk. I've got a BIL that is an asshole as soon as he has 2 beers. Shoot me if I ever get to that point.
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One of the reasons I will have nothing to do with them is way too many libs! They're all so proud of themselves! Then they pop open a beer in the car when they leave. Besides, I enjoy my alcohol. I don't drink to get drunk. I try to keep an even keel. Kinda the same way Larry Hagman explained it.
Excess is wrong no matter how you try to make excuses. No one likes a sloberin' drunk. I've got a BIL that is an asshole as soon as he has 2 beers. Shoot me if I ever get to that point.
It all depends on the area. My area is fairly conservative, so there's quite a number of like-minded people here--and in the rooms.
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It all depends on the area. My area is fairly conservative, so there's quite a number of like-minded people here--and in the rooms.
I live in N. Idaho! The only people at these meetings are libs. The rest of us try to handle our liquor. Don't get me wrong, there are conservatives at the meets, but they've been drowned out by the "woe is me" libs.
There's been an influx since you could sell a rancher in Southern Kalifornica for a million dollars! They all think this is paradise until it snows "ass deep to a tall Indian". We then tend to weed out the morons! If they don't move, we find 'em in a snow bank after the "thaw".
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Be easy on us addicts Beg. I'm an alcoholic myself. Come from a long line of 'em. Difference is, I don't have to go to those damn meetins! Addiction is definitely in the genes. Ya just have to realize the fact and operate accordingly. I still drink like a fish but refrain from driving when I do. "Toots" gives me hell 'cause she has to do the drivin' if I get a call.
As a matter of fact, DUI's are my main clientele. Many refuse to take their punishment for being as smart as dog shit!
I was saying that I don't understand addicts. If you read my post you would understand that I too come from a long line of addicts. What I don't understand is they have "hit bottom" so many times yet continue with their addiction. For me being arrested for a DUI would be "bottom" for me. Being hospitalized for an overdose or alcohol poisoning would be "bottom" for me. Losing my job because of my addiction would be "bottom" for me. Running head on into someone else's car (and the thought of actually killing someone) would have been "bottom" for me. Losing my husband and children would be past "bottom" for me. I don't understand it. Everyone I mentioned had at least one of the things happen to them (one, my step-sister, had everything I mentioned happen to her) yet they didn't hit bottom. You want to know what made my step-dad stop drinking? He knocked me down on the floor and CHOKED me. My Mom got him off of me and I ran to the corner of the room. I was in the corner with my mom standing in front of me and he was reaching around her trying to choke me again. His mother was there, watching it all. My brother called the police. Want to know what I did that made him choke me? He came home an hour and a half late for dinner, drunk as a skunk. He was pissed that we had already eaten. He was slamming cabinets doors and stuff around. My mom was putting dishes in the dishwasher and he slammed the dishwasher door shut and broke all the dishes that my Mom had just put in the dishwasher. I yelled, "Can't you even behave in front of your Mother?!?". He came at me like a mad man. That wasn't my step-dad choking me, that is not him. Maybe because I have been on the receiving end of someone who is a drunk (more than once I might add) it makes me harder on alcoholics than the average person.
You admit to being an alcoholic yet I don't understand why you still "drink like a fish". You say you don't "have" to go to those "damn meetings", I guess I don't understand why you don't go on your own free will. If you are beyond those "damn meetings" why don't you just quit on your own? I'm glad you refrain from driving for the safety of yourself and others but I don't get why you continue to drink if you are an self-admitted alcoholic. I am not saying that alcoholics are bad people, I just don't understand it. I don't understand the urge, the need, the want. I guess the only thing I can related it to in my own life is when I am on high dose Prednisone and I am so hungry all the time. When I am on it there are times I can't control my hunger and I eat everything in sight. Perhaps that is what it is like.
Oh by the way, that night that my step-dad choked me was his "bottom". The next day and told his BOSS what he had done. He would drink after work with people from work so he felt by telling his boss it would keep him from going out and drinking with them (although before "the incident" he kept alcohol in his drawer at work too so he wasn't just a "social alcoholic"). He also wrote me a letter saying how much he loved me and that he never wanted to be that person again. He never was that person again.
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I live in N. Idaho! The only people at these meetings are libs. The rest of us try to handle our liquor. Don't get me wrong, there are conservatives at the meets, but they've been drowned out by the "woe is me" libs.
Yeah, I suppose one could say the same thing about Lincoln, Nebraska.
I've been dry since 1987, when I was young.
I went to these meetings and the after-meeting gatherings at the Village Inn or Perkins' restaurants, but to be bluntly honest, being deaf, such socializing, while it may help most, helped me not at all.
The reason I had quit drinking was the realization that, being deaf, one is somewhat more vulnerable than hearing people, and so it wasn't a good idea, even though I never got into any legal or financial mess because of drinking.
All of my "godfathers" in AA were touchy-feely liberals, guys with hyphenated last names, guys dominated by their women's-libber wives, who seemed to discount my own reasons for not drinking; that being deaf, I need 100% of all my wits, whatever wit I possess, just to survive.....that being more-than-sufficient reason alone.
I did this stuff for a couple of years, gradually winding down.
In the manner of medieval eastern European Yiddish folklore, I figured this was God's problem, and so one might as well let God deal with it.
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You admit to being an alcoholic yet I don't understand why you still "drink like a fish". You say you don't "have" to go to those "damn meetings", I guess I don't understand why you don't go on your own free will. If you are beyond those "damn meetings" why don't you just quit on your own? I'm glad you refrain from driving for the safety of yourself and others but I don't get why you continue to drink if you are an self-admitted alcoholic. I am not saying that alcoholics are bad people, I just don't understand it. I don't understand the urge, the need, the want. I guess the only thing I can related it to in my own life is when I am on high dose Prednisone and I am so hungry all the time. When I am on it there are times I can't control my hunger and I eat everything in sight. Perhaps that is what it is like.
What part of "I enjoy my alcohol" don't you get? Sure, I agree with you. many people have let their alcohol addiction ruin their lives and others. I have not!
Don't condemn me just because I drink and can control it! I've destroyed nothing except my liver, and the last time I checked, it belongs to me and this being America, the home of the brave and the land of the free, is my choice! As long as I don't effect you and yours, or anyone else, it's nunya business!
ETA: ( it's apparent to me Beg you have been hurt by someone's addiction. I feel for you. It's most likely why my mother divorced my dad when I was 8. I learned a long time ago you can't judge every person by their particular addiction. Some manage to go happily thru life without hurting others. I am one of them. I've helped several who could not control their alcohol intake. Some, once they start, cannot stop. That's the most dangerous of the group. Hence the bouncy we just read. Not every addict has that problem. Didn't you, yourself say you could have a drink and stop? Some cannot follow your exceptional willpower. )
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What part of "I enjoy my alcohol" don't you get? Sure, I agree with you. many people have let their alcohol addiction ruin their lives and others. I have not!
Don't condemn me just because I drink and can control it! I've destroyed nothing except my liver, and the last time I checked, it belongs to me and this being America, the home of the brave and the land of the free, is my choice! As long as I don't effect you and yours, or anyone else, it's nunya business!
Wow, ok
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In the manner of medieval eastern European Yiddish folklore, I figured this was God's problem, and so one might as well let God deal with it.
Truer words have never been spoken, Coach.
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Wow, ok
I hope you will read the edit to that post Beg. I'm not trying to be an asshole. Though "Toots" says sometimes I just can't help it!
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ETA: ( it's apparent to me Beg you have been hurt by someone's addiction. I feel for you. It's most likely why my mother divorced my dad when I was 8. I learned a long time ago you can't judge every person by their particular addiction. Some manage to go happily thru life without hurting others. I am one of them. I've helped several who could not control their alcohol intake. Some, once they start, cannot stop. That's the most dangerous of the group. Hence the bouncy we just read. Not every addict has that problem. Didn't you, yourself say you could have a drink and stop? Some cannot follow your exceptional willpower. )
It isn't willpower that keeps me from drinking more than a drink, I don't have the urge to. It has nothing to do with willpower. If you remember in my first post where I talk about going to lunch with friends of my Mom's friend (her friends AA friends), we discussed me not needing to have another drink (or not even finishing a drink). I think they mistook it as me saying I had willpower and they didn't. That wasn't what I was saying, I don't have the urge to so I don't need the willpower.
I said in my first post that I do not UNDERSTAND addiction, maybe someone here can explain it to me in a way that I can understand it. Oh and yes I have been hurt by addiction, more than you will ever know. My real dad cared more about going to the bars and seeing his friends while he got drunk than he did about his kids. He never hit me or even yelled at me but he was never around. When he would come home it would be too late and we wouldn't get to see him except for the times he would think our rooms were the bathroom and piss on us. Or the times he would vomit in bed and my Mom would be up in the middle of the night washing the sheets which would wake us up and we just "knew" what had happened, or the times my parents (both step-dad and my real dad) would fight and the neighbors heard and I was embarrassed to be seen by anyone outside of the house, or the time my brother died from a drug overdose. I bet he would say he wasn't hurting anyone but himself too, but he did in fact hurt someone other than himself long before he even died. There were many nights I laid awake crying because I was worried that he was going to die. Look where his addiction got him....in the ground at the ripe old age of 43. Yeah think that hurt a few people?
So you go on ahead and tell yourself that you aren't hurting anyone else but yourself. You don't have to have physically hurt anyone to have hurt them greatly. I don't care if you are a dick to me, I still care about you. If I didn't I wouldn't have bothered to respond.
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I was saying that I don't understand addicts. If you read my post you would understand that I too come from a long line of addicts. What I don't understand is they have "hit bottom" so many times yet continue with their addiction. For me being arrested for a DUI would be "bottom" for me. Being hospitalized for an overdose or alcohol poisoning would be "bottom" for me. Losing my job because of my addiction would be "bottom" for me. Running head on into someone else's car (and the thought of actually killing someone) would have been "bottom" for me. Losing my husband and children would be past "bottom" for me. I don't understand it. Everyone I mentioned had at least one of the things happen to them (one, my step-sister, had everything I mentioned happen to her) yet they didn't hit bottom. You want to know what made my step-dad stop drinking? He knocked me down on the floor and CHOKED me. My Mom got him off of me and I ran to the corner of the room. I was in the corner with my mom standing in front of me and he was reaching around her trying to choke me again. His mother was there, watching it all. My brother called the police. Want to know what I did that made him choke me? He came home an hour and a half late for dinner, drunk as a skunk. He was pissed that we had already eaten. He was slamming cabinets doors and stuff around. My mom was putting dishes in the dishwasher and he slammed the dishwasher door shut and broke all the dishes that my Mom had just put in the dishwasher. I yelled, "Can't you even behave in front of your Mother?!?". He came at me like a mad man. That wasn't my step-dad choking me, that is not him. Maybe because I have been on the receiving end of someone who is a drunk (more than once I might add) it makes me harder on alcoholics than the average person.
You admit to being an alcoholic yet I don't understand why you still "drink like a fish". You say you don't "have" to go to those "damn meetings", I guess I don't understand why you don't go on your own free will. If you are beyond those "damn meetings" why don't you just quit on your own? I'm glad you refrain from driving for the safety of yourself and others but I don't get why you continue to drink if you are an self-admitted alcoholic. I am not saying that alcoholics are bad people, I just don't understand it. I don't understand the urge, the need, the want. I guess the only thing I can related it to in my own life is when I am on high dose Prednisone and I am so hungry all the time. When I am on it there are times I can't control my hunger and I eat everything in sight. Perhaps that is what it is like.
Oh by the way, that night that my step-dad choked me was his "bottom". The next day and told his BOSS what he had done. He would drink after work with people from work so he felt by telling his boss it would keep him from going out and drinking with them (although before "the incident" he kept alcohol in his drawer at work too so he wasn't just a "social alcoholic"). He also wrote me a letter saying how much he loved me and that he never wanted to be that person again. He never was that person again.
Another alcoholic here BEG. And I agree with you. It's really hard to understand. That's what I'm working on the most is trying to understand what the hell is going on in my head. The one thing I know after a few years in and out of AA is most alcoholics drank that way from day one. There's a lot of issues involved, low self-esteem, not having good methods of coping with things and I believe there is a chemical imbalance of some kind. I've been 5 mos cold sober and i'm fine as long as I keep walking past the bars, but if I ever stop i'll be out til closing. Enough with the dry, boring stuff the truth of the matter is when I read your post I was thing about your bottom :naughty:
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Another alcoholic here BEG. And I agree with you. It's really hard to understand. That's what I'm working on the most is trying to understand what the hell is going on in my head. The one thing I know after a few years in and out of AA is most alcoholics drank that way from day one. There's a lot of issues involved, low self-esteem, not having good methods of coping with things and I believe there is a chemical imbalance of some kind. I've been 5 mos cold sober and i'm fine as long as I keep walking past the bars, but if I ever stop i'll be out til closing. Enough with the dry, boring stuff the truth of the matter is when I read your post I was thing about your bottom :naughty:
Well I did keep saying "bottom". :p
Good for you, you should be proud of yourself. :) By the way, I wasn't preaching to anyone, I was telling what it's like to be on the receiving end of an addict. You would think being surrounded by all these addicts I would understand it by now. I don't and neither does my Mom (and she married two and gave birth to two).
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Good for you, you should be proud of yourself. :) By the way, I wasn't preaching to anyone, I was telling what it's like to be on the receiving end of an addict. You would think being surrounded by all these addicts I would understand it by now. I don't and neither does my Mom (and she married two and gave birth to two).
I don't understand it either. I grew with alcoholics and I have never wanted to touch it.
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Well I did keep saying "bottom". :p
Good for you, you should be proud of yourself. :) By the way, I wasn't preaching to anyone, I was telling what it's like to be on the receiving end of an addict. You would think being surrounded by all these addicts I would understand it by now. I don't and neither does my Mom (and she married two and gave birth to two).
Never took it that way at all. Believe me, I have enough counseling to know what it's like on the receiving end. I was never physically abusive (not sure if I've ever struck anyone in anger since my brother when I was a kid), but I sure put my family through enough. I'm fortunate they've all stayed with me and loved me anyway. Thanks for the kind words.
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Never took it that way at all. Believe me, I have enough counseling to know what it's like on the receiving end. I was never physically abusive (not sure if I've ever struck anyone in anger since my brother when I was a kid), but I sure put my family through enough. I'm fortunate they've all stayed with me and loved me anyway. Thanks for the kind words.
Oh I still love every one of my family members who are addicts. Even my step-sister, who is a liar and a drunk.
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5th District is Lowell, Lawrence, Haverhill, Methuen, and Chelmsford.
A small enough area where a serious crash such as that would have been mentioned. I dare say such a crash would have made the Boston newscasts the evening it happened, as do many DUI wrecks with injuries or serious property damage involved.
Yet strangely, nothing. Can't imagine why... :uhsure:
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A small enough area where a serious crash such as that would have been mentioned. I dare say such a crash would have made the Boston newscasts the evening it happened, as do many DUI wrecks with injuries or serious property damage involved.
Yet strangely, nothing. Can't imagine why... :uhsure:
I can't even find anything about a new high school being approved on that date, lol -- nevermind the dang crash!!!
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I was going to point this out, about myself. Almost 3 months clean and sober. I do need to go to the meetings, and I do willingly. Let's just say that I've met a few people that would fit the definition of "conservative" there.
15 years. :innocent: Never over drank. My wife's family never drank at all. She asked me to quit. Only took one request. Been dry since.