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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Attero Dominatus on March 04, 2008, 06:12:11 PM
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osted: March 04, 2008
2:28 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
NEW YORK – Global warming is a natural process, not likely the result of human activities, argued more than 100 internationally prominent environmental scientists in papers presented at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change, which concluded here today.
The conference, organized by the Heartland Institute, sought to refute the contention promoted by Al Gore and the U.N. that there is an "established scientific consensus" that human beings are causing the earth to warm catastrophically. The event attracted more than 500 people, including scientists, economists, policy experts and members of the public from around the world.
"The purpose of the conference is to provide a platform for the hundreds of scientists, economists, and policy experts who dissent from the so-called 'consensus' on global warming," said Joseph Bast, president of the Chicago-based Heartland Institute. "This is their chance to speak out."
"Is global warming 'An Inconvenient Truth,' as Vice President Al Gore charges, or a 'Global Warming Swindle?' Harriet Johnson, spokeswoman for the Heartland Institute asked in a statement distributed at the start of the three-day conference.
"The alarmists in the global warming debate have had their say – over and over again, in every newspaper in the country practically every day and in countless news reports and documentary films," a notice on the Heartland Institute website proclaims. "But they have lost the debate."
Environmental scientist S. Fred Singer kicked off the conference by releasing a report entitled, "Nature, Not Human Activity Rules the Climate," summarizing a three-year international scientific research project conducted by the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or NIPCC, that Singer headed.
"There are many factors that affect the climate," Singer told WND. "What we can now exclude by scientific evidence is the argument that greenhouse gases are an important factor in causing global warming."
Singer and the NIPCC agree that global warming occurred in the 20th century, but disagree human activity is responsible. He argues instead that natural causes are likely to be the dominant cause of the scientifically observed global warming under discussion.
The NIPCC scientists contend the U.N. agenda "is largely hypothetical and not sustained by observations" driven by complex mathematical models.
The computer models, the NIPCC scientists claim, are only valid in a "virtual computer world," but fail to produce reliable real world predictions that can be empirically verified.
More: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58024
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Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.
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Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.
The DUmb Owl will probably claim they are wrong or something.
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I see no peer review..........where are these scientific studies published...........I can't find things on the interwebs to say this is true.
It's all a lie
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Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.
The DUmb Owl will probably claim they are wrong or something.
Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
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Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
He has a PhD? :o
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Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
He has a PhD? :o
...in trollology. :-)
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Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
He has a PhD? :o
I guess so. He keeps challenging real scientists so I assume that means he is a climatology Doogie Howser.
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Fred Singer cracks me up. Only recently has Singer acknowledged that Earth's climate is warming. A few years ago, he was arguing with a straight face that Earth's climate is not warming. Singer's latest argument is that global warming is happening but is due to natural causes. I guess I should give Singer a few years to catch up with modern science before expecting him to change his tune yet again.
Funny stuff.
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Fred Singer cracks me up. Only recently has Singer acknowledged that Earth's climate is warming. A few years ago, he was arguing with a straight face that Earth's climate is not warming. Singer's latest argument is that global warming is happening but is due to natural causes. I guess I should give Singer a few years to catch up with modern science before expecting him to change his tune yet again.
Funny stuff.
Thanks for stopping by. We are ready to receive your credentials.
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Thanks for stopping by. We are ready to receive your credentials.
One does not need scientific credentials to point out that a certain Singer has changed his tune.
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Thanks for stopping by. We are ready to receive your credentials.
One does not need scientific credentials to point out that a certain Singer has changed his tune.
Adjusting one's world picture based on new information is what scientists do.
And, your credentials again are....?
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Adjusting one's world picture based on new information is what scientists do.
And, your credentials again are....?
"The temperatures at the North and South Poles are lower now than they were in 1930. The Antarctic Peninsula, the finger of land pointing north towards Argentina (and the equator) has been getting warmer...The other 97 percent of Antarctic has been cooling since the mid-1960s."
-S. Fred Singer, Distinguished Research Professor, George Mason University and Dennis Avery, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute and co-authors Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 Years.
As you can read, Professor Singer has not been one to deny warming. He has been one to put it in its proper context. The Professor has logic and reasoning on his side. All we have is some bird brain contradicting him.
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Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.
he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..
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As you can read, Professor Singer has not been one to deny warming. He has been one to put it in its proper context. The Professor has logic and reasoning on his side. All we have is some bird brain contradicting him.
Fred Singer in 2003...
EPA Bias on Global Warming
By S. Fred Singer
Ever since his election, George W. Bush has been under siege by supporters of the Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty that calls for drastic cuts in the emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. His opposition to Kyoto has led to attacks from many directions: by political opponents, European politicians, Green groups, and, of course, the New York Times. Some of the worst have come from within. Just a few days ago, an "embedded" EPA "climate policy adviser" (now seamlessly transferred to the National Wildlife Federation) published a scurrilous article in the Washington Post, accusing the White House of "attempts to suppress scientific information."
Such sniping can easily be stopped. However, the White House must educate the public and its own federal bureaucracy about certain climate facts, as endorsed by top scientists:
**The best available data, from weather satellites and weather balloons, do not detect any appreciable atmospheric warming. Nor did the 20th century show unusually high temperatures.
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http://www.sepp.org/Archive/NewSEPP/EPABIAS-Singer.html
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he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..
You should probably look up a good reason to think that the existence of natural cooling and warming cycles in the past rule out the possbility that global warming today is the result of human activities.
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he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..
You should probably look up a good reason to think that the existence of natural cooling and warming cycles in the past rule out the possbility that global warming today is the result of human activities.
Occam's Razor.
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**The best available data, from weather satellites and weather balloons, do not detect any appreciable atmospheric warming. Nor did the 20th century show unusually high temperatures.
I couldn't have said it better myself. The truth finally comes out! Thanks, Professor Singer. You convinced the bird brain!
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**The best available data, from weather satellites and weather balloons, do not detect any appreciable atmospheric warming. Nor did the 20th century show unusually high temperatures.
I couldn't have said it better myself. The truth finally comes out! Thanks, Professor Singer. You convinced the bird brain!
Hello? As you pointed out a few posts back, Fred Singer is no longer arguing that the planet is not getting warming.
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Occam's Razor.
Considering the fact that no natural process has been identified as the cause of the global warming going on, then Occam's Razor would tell us to look to mankind as the cause. Simple.
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Occam's Razor.
Considering the fact that no natural process has been identified as the cause of the global warming going on, then Occam's Razor would tell us to look to mankind as the cause. Simple.
Only if you buy your statement, which no one does.
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he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..
You should probably look up a good reason to think that the existence of natural cooling and warming cycles in the past rule out the possbility that global warming today is the result of human activities.
The VRWC controls all :evillaugh:
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Occam's Razor.
Considering the fact that no natural process has been identified as the cause of the global warming going on, then Occam's Razor would tell us to look to mankind as the cause. Simple.
um, no. that theory means 'the simpler the explanation, the better' .. or something like that.
Occam's Razor would say its because the Sun is heating up. Which apparently it is..
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Occam's Razor would say its because the Sun is heating up. Which apparently it is..
How many times do I have to tell people that solar irradiance has been slightly decreasing for the past few decades before the information sinks in?
http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic=tsi/composite/SolarConstant
If solar irradiance were the only factor in Earth's climate, then Earth should be getting cooler, but instead, it is getting hotter. Feel free to explain why you think that decreasing solar irradiance produces increasing temperatures.
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Occam's Razor would say its because the Sun is heating up. Which apparently it is..
How many times do I have to tell people that solar irradiance has been slightly decreasing for the past few decades before the information sinks in?
well, since you assume that everything written on the web is truth - here ya go. I did a search for "is the sun getting hotter?" and came up with tens of thousands of pages which say... yes. It is. If NASA isnt good enough for you, and you think you need to keep educating us until it 'sinks in' .. maybe its you who needs a slight re-education?
The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame ...Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1000 years, ...
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Study says sun getting hotterStudy says sun getting hotter. WASHINGTON (AP) - The sun is getting hotter, adding heat to an Earth already thought to be warming from greenhouse gases. ...
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well, since you assume that everything written on the web is truth - here ya go. I did a search for "is the sun getting hotter?" and came up with tens of thousands of pages which say... yes. It is. If NASA isnt good enough for you, and you think you need to keep educating us until it 'sinks in' .. maybe its you who needs a slight re-education? [/i]
NASA is plenty good enough for me. According to NASA, solar irradiance has been decreasing slightly since the late 1970s...
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig3_irradiance.gif
The NASA page you cited is an educational page which points out that the Sun will gradually get hotter over the next 5 billion years. The fact that the Sun will get hotter over the next 5 billion years does not mean that the increase in temperature will be a straight line upward. Solar irradiance will go up and down as the Sun gradually gets hotter over the next 5 billion years. But we are not talking about billions of years or millions of years or even thousands of years. We are talking about a period of time measured in decades.
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Study says sun getting hotterStudy says sun getting hotter. WASHINGTON (AP) - The sun is getting hotter, adding heat to an Earth already thought to be warming from greenhouse gases. ...
www.lubbockonline.com/news/092897/study.htm
partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/093097sci-sun.html
The AP article points out that the Sun got hotter during the period of time between the late 1980s and the early 1990s. That the Sun got hotter in the period of time between the late 1980s and the early 1990s is perfectly consistent with the NASA solar irradiance graph...
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig3_irradiance.gif
Yes, the Sun got hotter... for a 10 year period. Then it got cooler.
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FuturePundit: Sun Energy Output At Over 1000 Year PeakThe Sun is getting hotter(NASA article). Another Nasa article shows climate changes(hotter) throughout the Solar System. Randall Parker said at July 20, ...
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I really wish you would read and select articles instead of just doing an info dump of what Google searches turn up.
According to the Future Pundit article...
“The change in solar brightness over the past 20 years is not enough to cause the observed changes in our climate. But the indirect effects may be larger, and the range of their influence is unclear, so more study is needed,†he added.
Okay?
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Summer's Dog Days Are Here—And Getting HotterSummer's Dog Days Are Here—And Getting Hotter ... Sirius rises with the sun when summer is at its hottest. The dog days traditionally run from July 3 to ...
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The National Geographic article does not contain any information pertaining to solar irradiance. This is why I don't like info dumps. In order to refute your post, I have to read a bunch of stuff which has nothing to do with the topic. Lucky, the stuff so far is at least pretty interesting. :-)
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ACRIM vs PMOD - Is the sun getting hotter?Thus, it is evident that with ACRIM the sun would have contributed to the global warming during the last decades. (Source: Shining More Light on the Solar ...
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The article on Skeptical Science confirms what I have been saying...
The ACRIM data shows a slight increase in TSI - the PMOD data shows practically no trend at all. Regardless of which dataset you use, the trend is so slight, solar variations can only have contributed a fraction of the current global warming.
You just got zinged by your own info dump... another good reason why info dumps are a bad idea.
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Garbage links.
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Garbage links.
Actually the suns output can change and effect climate.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html
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Actually the suns output can change and effect climate.
No one is arguing that the Sun's output can't change or that changes in solar output can't affect climate.
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Here ya go TNO, since you're obviously unwilling to do any real digging of your own here's a nice little collection for ya. All you have to do is click and read.
http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html
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Here ya go TNO, since you're obviously unwilling to do any real digging of your own here's a nice little collection for ya. All you have to do is click and read.
http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html
Great. Another info dump.
If you have a point to make, make it.
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Here ya go TNO, since you're obviously unwilling to do any real digging of your own here's a nice little collection for ya. All you have to do is click and read.
http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html
Great. Another info dump.
If you have a point to make, make it.
Kid, you are out of ammo and yet you fight on. I have to respect your tenacity in embracing pseudoscience in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I hereby dub thee:
The Black Knight!
(http://www.andgor.com/AA%20AndGor%20Images/619_Black_Knight_1.jpg)
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Kid, you are out of ammo and yet you fight on. I have to respect your tenacity in embracing pseudoscience in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I hereby dub thee:
Feel free to take a shot at providing overwhelming evidence, or even just some evidence, that a change in solar output is fueling global warming. Perhaps you will succeed where others have so far failed.
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Here ya go TNO, since you're obviously unwilling to do any real digging of your own here's a nice little collection for ya. All you have to do is click and read.
http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html
Great. Another info dump.
If you have a point to make, make it.
Kid, you are out of ammo and yet you fight on. I have to respect your tenacity in embracing pseudoscience in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I hereby dub thee:
The Black Knight!
(http://www.andgor.com/AA%20AndGor%20Images/619_Black_Knight_1.jpg)
It is not tenacity. It is denial.
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Since info dumping is all the rage here, I might as well try my hand at it.
A list of what Freedumb2003 would describe as pseudoscientific institutions and organizations which have taken the position that global warming is happening and is probably the result of human activities...
NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC): http://www.socc.ca/permafrost/permafrost_future_e.cfm
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
The Royal Society of the UK (RS): http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=3135
American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/jointacademies.html
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html
Yep. My position on global warming is based on pseudoscience.
:whatever:
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Here ya go TNO, since you're obviously unwilling to do any real digging of your own here's a nice little collection for ya. All you have to do is click and read.
http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html
Great. Another info dump.
If you have a point to make, make it.
You're a douchebag?? :mental:
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well, since you assume that everything written on the web is truth - here ya go. I did a search for "is the sun getting hotter?" and came up with tens of thousands of pages which say... yes. It is. If NASA isnt good enough for you, and you think you need to keep educating us until it 'sinks in' .. maybe its you who needs a slight re-education? [/i]
NASA is plenty good enough for me. According to NASA, solar irradiance has been decreasing slightly since the late 1970s...
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig3_irradiance.gif
The NASA page you cited is an educational page which points out that the Sun will gradually get hotter over the next 5 billion years. The fact that the Sun will get hotter over the next 5 billion years does not mean that the increase in temperature will be a straight line upward. Solar irradiance will go up and down as the Sun gradually gets hotter over the next 5 billion years. But we are not talking about billions of years or millions of years or even thousands of years. We are talking about a period of time measured in decades.
who is this 'we' you keep channeling? are you a scientist who has studied this phenominon?
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well, since you assume that everything written on the web is truth - here ya go. I did a search for "is the sun getting hotter?" and came up with tens of thousands of pages which say... yes. It is. If NASA isnt good enough for you, and you think you need to keep educating us until it 'sinks in' .. maybe its you who needs a slight re-education? [/i]
NASA is plenty good enough for me. According to NASA, solar irradiance has been decreasing slightly since the late 1970s...
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig3_irradiance.gif
The NASA page you cited is an educational page which points out that the Sun will gradually get hotter over the next 5 billion years. The fact that the Sun will get hotter over the next 5 billion years does not mean that the increase in temperature will be a straight line upward. Solar irradiance will go up and down as the Sun gradually gets hotter over the next 5 billion years. But we are not talking about billions of years or millions of years or even thousands of years. We are talking about a period of time measured in decades.
who is this 'we' you keep channeling? are you a scientist who has studied this phenominon?
TheDumbOwl is like any other leftist. No amount of facts will change its mind.