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Current Events => Political Ammunition => Global Warming, Its Myths and Its Truths => Topic started by: Amityschild on November 20, 2009, 02:23:08 PM
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Hackers broke into the servers at a prominent British climate research center and leaked years worth of e-mail messages onto the Web, including one with a mysterious reference to a plan to "hide the decline," apparently in temperatures.
Climate change skeptics describe the leaked data as a "smoking gun," evidence of collusion among climatologists and manipulation of data to support the widely held view that climate change is caused by the actions of mankind. The files were reportedly released on a Russian file-serve by an anonymous poster calling himself "FOIA."
Others suggest the comments are simply "scientists talking about science." In an interview with Wired, Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, points out that "if you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists."
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Still, one notable e-mail from the hacked files clearly describes how to squeeze dissenting scientists from the peer review process:
"I think we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html
Breaking today. Several sites worth checking into:
Pajamas Media Article (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hacker-releases-data-implicating-cru-in-global-warming-fraud/)
Climate Depot Roundup (http://climatedepot.com/)
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Here is the contents:
I’ve redacted email addresses and direct phone numbers for the moment. The emails all have US public universities in the email addresses, making them public/FOIA actionable I beleive.
From: Phil Jones
To: mann@vxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Fwd: John L. Daly dead
Date: Thu Jan 29 14:17:01 2004
From: Timo H‰meranta
To:
Subject: John L. Daly dead
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:04:28 +0200
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510
Importance: Normal
Mike,
In an odd way this is cheering news ! One other thing about the CC paper – just found
another email – is that McKittrick says it is standard practice in Econometrics journals
to give all the data and codes !! According to legal advice IPR overrides this.
Cheers
Phil
“It is with deep sadness that the Daly Family have to announce the sudden death of John
Daly.Condolences may be sent to John’s email account (daly@john-daly.com)
“
Reported with great sadness
Timo H‰meranta
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xx
Timo H‰meranta, LL.M.
Moderator, Climatesceptics
Martinlaaksontie 42 B 9
01620 Vantaa
Finland, Member State of the European Union
Moderator: timohame@yxxxxx.xxx
Private: timo.hameranta@xxxxx.xx
Home page: [1]personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm
Moderator of the discussion group “Sceptical Climate Scienceâ€
[2]groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics
“To dwell only on horror scenarios of the future
shows only a lack of imaginationâ€. (Kari Enqvist)
“If the facts change, I’ll change my opinion.
What do you do, Sir†(John Maynard Keynes)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)xxxxxx
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxxxx
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@xxx.xx.xx
NR4 7TJ
UK
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References
1. http://personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm
2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937
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As I wrote over and over, the emperical evidence that any of us can check, has said the Gorean Warmists were wrong. Now we find that not only are they wrong, but they have engaged in destroying the evidence that they ARE wrong.
This remains essentially unreported by the MSM......what a shock.
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Damning. And of course it will never see the light of day beyond Fox News.
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An Inconvenient Truth has been exposed.
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Damning. And of course it will never see the light of day beyond Fox News.
Actually, it is starting to get press all over the world.....and the scientific community is going nuts with this......
There are 63 Mb of data released, much of which is coded charts and measurements.....it will require some time for the legitimate scientists to review it all, and the scope of the scam.......
I think it is safe to say that this just killed Copenhagen, as well as "Cap & Trade". At least until all the data has been reviewed, and conclusions reached.
doc
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^thank God. Bring on the analysts.
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I don't believe this will even slow the Gore Bores down. Truth has never stood in their way, nor has evidence of fraud.
What may happen is this one bunch will close down and regroup under a new alias, and get double funding next year. It is what Acorn does
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I don't believe this will even slow the Gore Bores down. Truth has never stood in their way, nor has evidence of fraud.
What may happen is this one bunch will close down and regroup under a new alias, and get double funding next year. It is what Acorn does
Well.....Gore isn't a scientist, and that community is pissed as hell about this, if it is true.......scientists reputation, and the peer review process has possibly been violated, and those are the standards on which the scientific community bases its integrity.....
doc
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Did Gore come out and say he had no idea.....ala Obama, "I had no idea the preacher I thought of as a father figure said those mean things about the US of A"??
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We all knew the whole thing was BS! Only liberals were going after this hook, line, and sinker. Hell, it's their religion for Christ's sake!
Figuring when the temp was a heck of a lot warmer, Dinos grew to proportions in tons, not pounds! How the hell could a warmer climate be "bad" for the planet?
How about we start auditting how much of our taxpayer money has gone to this hoax?
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Actually, it is starting to get press all over the world.....and the scientific community is going nuts with this......
There are 63 Mb of data released, much of which is coded charts and measurements.....it will require some time for the legitimate scientists to review it all, and the scope of the scam.......
I think it is safe to say that this just killed Copenhagen, as well as "Cap & Trade". At least until all the data has been reviewed, and conclusions reached.
doc
Copenhagen maybe, cap & trade no way. That little baby will keep popping up until they get it passed - they want that money, really, really bad.
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An Inconvenient Truth has been exposed.
"An Inconvenient Truth" indeed...just not the kind the wackos wanted to hear.
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"An Inconvenient Truth" indeed...just not the kind the wackos wanted to hear.
Yep, a lot of people with egg on their face. :-)
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Maybe we should start a legal defense fund for the hacker.......AND hopefully he'll hack into Obama's sealed records before he's caught.
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Maybe we should start a legal defense fund for the hacker.......AND hopefully he'll hack into Obama's sealed records before he's caught.
Those records have been scrubbed from the innerwebz, and the only hard copies of them are kept in a sealed mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's porch.
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Barry's going ahead with Cap and Crap as if nothing has happened. It's all about the power, isn't it?
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They've brushed aside every previous objection to Anthropogenic Global Warming, I'm sure they'll find away to make this information a non-issue as well ::)
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Don't they always?
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They've brushed aside every previous objection to Anthropogenic Global Warming, I'm sure they'll find away to make this information a non-issue as well ::)
That's "Anthropogenic Global Climate Change," young lady, the Gorebots have to have cover in case it actually gets colder, after all!
:tongue:
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Hell's bells, I knew global warming was BS from the get go.
I am not a scientist, but I do know how to employ a little common sense.
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It looks like the same BS has been going on in New Zealand, also. Faked data (http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/breaking-nzs-niwa-accused-of-cru-style-temperature-faking.html)
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Even the Canada Free Press and the Brits are covering this story. But DingleBarry's Lame Stream Media is still ominously silent. In fact, I haven't seen or heard it once mentioned on CNN et al or their websites. How typical. Thank God for FOX. I pray this story continues to grow and eventually the LSM will be forced to say something.
It's pretty damn scary when you have to go to news organizations outside of the U.S. to get the real news.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/1984/obama21.jpg)
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Check in BING and NYT-Climate Hoax. Plenty of hits, all saying that the "denial" is a hoax, NOTHING showed up for the East Anglia e-mails. That's just journaliastic mal practice at its' worst.
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Well, isn't this conveeeeeeeenient? (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece)
SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.
It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.
The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.
The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.
In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.â€
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“We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.â€
Most important part of the entire issue. They admit they only use the "value-added" data... that adds value to their predictions. This should be self-damning...
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If (and I will say if because this is ingrained world wide on the left) this charade finally falls apart it will be less then a year before another one takes its place.
Hell,at the first sign the cash cow of grants is drying up they probably already have the next impending disaster the west has caused ready to foist on the world.
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150 years ago, 1860, it was the tail end of a climate event known as :The Little Ice Age" ! So, quite naturally and completely expectidly, it is now WARMER than that period! They rely on IGNORANCE when they have knowledge! They have traken away (as best they can) the key of knowledge! Richardheads!!!
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I heard on Rush's show Monday that a software developer found the computer source codes for their climate models....
Here is a quote from a Newsbusters article by Noel Sheppard, concerning the codes:
"Skimming through the often spaghetti-like code, the number of programs which subject the data to a mixed-bag of transformative and filtering routines is simply staggering. Granted, many of these “alterations†run from benign smoothing algorithms (e.g. omitting rogue outliers) to moderate infilling mechanisms (e.g. estimating missing station data from that of those closely surrounding). But many others fall into the precarious range between highly questionable (removing MXD data which demonstrate poor correlations with local temperature) to downright fraudulent (replacing MXD data entirely with measured data to reverse a disorderly trend-line)."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/25/climategate-smoking-gun-american-thinker-does-medias-job
In other words, if the square peg of data doesn't fit the round hole of expected results, use a bigger hammer.... :hammer: