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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: MrsSmith on November 19, 2009, 06:14:17 AM
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What Could Holder Possibly Be Thinking?
Attorney General Eric Holder's testimony today before the Senate Judiciary Committee demonstrates just how out of touch he is with the realities of prosecuting 9/11 terrorists in New York. Not only could the convictions of these suspected terrorists be in doubt but the public safety is now also at risk as a result of the attorney general's decision.
Holder claims that the terror suspects will not have access to highly sensitive information which could affect our national security. But that's very likely untrue. In fact, they probably will be able to see all of the information related to their trial. Holder's assertion assumes that the judge presiding over their trial will seal the information and only the lawyers will have access to it. In fact, if the terrorists decide to represent themselves they will be granted the same access that any of the attorneys have. -- This could severely compromise the safety of the United States.
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It is a shame that the Obama administration is turning a blind eye to the realities of the situation. They are not only making a statement by having the trial in New York. They are putting the lives of New Yorkers, such as myself and my family, and others in this country, at risk. I would hope that they would reconsider their decision although, unfortunately, that is unlikely at this point.
Annemarie McAvoy is a former federal prosecutor.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/18/annemarie-mcavoy-holder-terror-trials-new-york/
Like the Dims even care?? Oh, no, the "cowardly" 'cons are just trying to scare people. ::) ::) (Weirdly enough, when those they agree with use extreme scare tactics to push environmental causes, this is wonderful.) :banghead:
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I will just leave my thoughts on him at this: He is a perfect synthesis of affirmative action and the political appointment process.
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I will just leave my thoughts on him at this: He is a perfect synthesis of affirmative action and the political appointment process.
About 8 levels above the "Peter Principle" level he should be...huh?
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Like the Dims even care?? Oh, no, the "cowardly" 'cons are just trying to scare people. ::) ::) (Weirdly enough, when those they agree with use extreme scare tactics to push environmental causes, this is wonderful.) :banghead:
I disagree that Dims don't care.
I think there are probably an awful lot of the firemen, police officers, EMT's, and Port Authority people in NY and NJ...who were in there helping after 9/11 in search and rescue, or who knew someone who was lost that day...that are Democrat. As are their families.
I don't think there are many of those particular Democrats that want those animals to be given any type of trial - military vs civilian, fair, legal or anything else.
I would also venture to guess, that given the opportunity and a chance to take a gun and participate in a firing squad to shoot them.....anyone of those individuals would be standing in line.
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I disagree that Dims don't care.
I think there are probably an awful lot of the firemen, police officers, EMT's, and Port Authority people in NY and NJ...who were in there helping after 9/11 in search and rescue, or who knew someone who was lost that day...that are Democrat. As are their families.
I don't think there are many of those particular Democrats that want those animals to be given any type of trial - military vs civilian, fair, legal or anything else.
I would also venture to guess, that given the opportunity and a chance to take a gun and participate in a firing squad to shoot them.....anyone of those individuals would be standing in line.
Most New Yorkers including Democrats do not want this trial to be held in the city. Politicians like the mayor and Chuck S. see those dollar signs (75 million of them), and are blinded by their greed over the heart wrenching effect of those that lost loved ones.
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Most New Yorkers including Democrats do not want this trial to be held in the city. Politicians like the mayor and Chuck S. see those dollar signs (75 million of them), and are blinded by their greed over the heart wrenching effect of those that lost loved ones.
Wonder what having the trial in NYC will do to NYC's tourist industry?
Not that I have a trip planned there.....but once those animals arrive in the city, I'm not sure I would want to be anywhere near there....
I think there are probably a lot of other people who feel the same way....
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The most ironic part of this entire sham is that Obama was asked by a Fox reporter what would happen if any of them are aquitted? Will they be released into our population?
Obama's answer: If that happens, we will hold them in permanent detention..........
WTF!!
doc
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The most ironic part of this entire sham is that Obama was asked by a Fox reporter what would happen if any of them are aquitted? Will they be released into our population?
Obama's answer: If that happens, we will hold them in permanent detention..........
WTF!!
doc
You dare question Dear Leader?
We have trials for people like you.
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The most ironic part of this entire sham is that Obama was asked by a Fox reporter what would happen if any of them are aquitted? Will they be released into our population?
Obama's answer: If that happens, we will hold them in permanent detention..........
WTF!!
doc
I am not a lawyer but what happens if one of them is found not guilty and a Judge says that they go free. It can be appealed but the Magic Negro and Holder are acting like they are Judge, jury and executioner.
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I am not a lawyer but what happens if one of them is found not guilty and a Judge says that they go free. It can be appealed but the Magic Negro and Holder are acting like they are Judge, jury and executioner.
0Bama needs to be none of those. he is God, King and Emperor all rolled into one being.
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I am not a lawyer but what happens if one of them is found not guilty and a Judge says that they go free. It can be appealed but the Magic Negro and Holder are acting like they are Judge, jury and executioner.
There is only one way this whole debacle is going to end and it's not going to be good for the U.S. no matter how you look at it.
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I am not a lawyer but what happens if one of them is found not guilty and a Judge says that they go free. It can be appealed but the Magic Negro and Holder are acting like they are Judge, jury and executioner.
If I am interpreting his statement correctly, all he can do if they are acquitted is send them back to Gitmo.......if they are detained here in the US, they would be subject to Habeas writs......
Which is why it makes no sense to bring them here for trial in the first place.....
doc
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I am not a lawyer but what happens if one of them is found not guilty and a Judge says that they go free. It can be appealed but the Magic Negro and Holder are acting like they are Judge, jury and executioner.
I am, and it beats Hell out of me how he figures he can do that.
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I am not a lawyer but what happens if one of them is found not guilty and a Judge says that they go free. It can be appealed but the Magic Negro and Holder are acting like they are Judge, jury and executioner.
In the same interview, Obama said that if they are acquitted in US Courts, he will declare them "enemy combatants" in order to detain them......
Hell.....I thought they had already been declared "enemy combatants"........
The messiah must have gotten his law degree off the back of a book of matches......
doc
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The messiah must have gotten his law degree off the back of a book of matches......
doc
Sears & Roebuck Co.
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In the same interview, Obama said that if they are acquitted in US Courts, he will declare them "enemy combatants" in order to detain them......
Hell.....I thought they had already been declared "enemy combatants"........
The messiah must have gotten his law degree off the back of a book of matches......
doc
Just change this to LSAT, okay?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8nAJKWWQxhY/RjrALNaU3YI/AAAAAAAAAD4/mYxOvlwV4nQ/s400/AFFIRMATIVE+ACTION+SAT.gif)
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I am, and it beats Hell out of me how he figures he can do that.
DAT...if they are acquited....can they be retried for the same crimes....or is it double jeopardy?
I know if acquited in a regular murder trial, it's double jeopardy unless new evidence is available and the charge can be changed somewhat...but does it apply in this case? They are mass murders not serial, but since they didn't actually commit the crime...I don't exactly understand how it works.
I know they can be retried... what 3 times?....if a mistrial is declared.
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The most ironic part of this entire sham is that Obama was asked by a Fox reporter what would happen if any of them are aquitted? Will they be released into our population?
Obama's answer: If that happens, we will hold them in permanent detention..........
WTF!!
doc
Contradicting himself as he always does.
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DAT...if they are acquited....can they be retried for the same crimes....or is it double jeopardy?
I know if acquited in a regular murder trial, it's double jeopardy unless new evidence is available and the charge can be changed somewhat...but does it apply in this case? They are mass murders not serial, but since they didn't actually commit the crime...I don't exactly understand how it works.
I know they can be retried... what 3 times?....if a mistrial is declared.
Double jeopardy does not apply if it is tried at a federal and if acquitted to state court. However, some states bar it.
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0Bama needs to be none of those. he is God, King and Emperor all rolled into one being.
Divine rights of kings.
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Chuck Schumer has already asked the government for money to cover the security expense for holding the trial in NY. It's all about money with these libtards. So taxpayers are also paying for this trial.
What is the point of this??? There is another motive...and I have a few guesses...but everyone, including many democrats, agree that this case should have been tried by the military.
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DAT...if they are acquited....can they be retried for the same crimes....or is it double jeopardy?
I know if acquited in a regular murder trial, it's double jeopardy unless new evidence is available and the charge can be changed somewhat...but does it apply in this case? They are mass murders not serial, but since they didn't actually commit the crime...I don't exactly understand how it works.
I know they can be retried... what 3 times?....if a mistrial is declared.
It would be double jeopardy; a mistrial is a trial that does not go to conclusion, if this trial does go to the end then double jeopardy would prevent a retrial...by the same sovereign; technically the State could also try them, however I doubt if New York has the same tortured civilian criminal jurisdiction rationale the Feds use at its disposal.
From a very extended research project I did years ago, I can tell you it is legal under the Geneva Conventions to try an EPW for pre-capture crimes in a civilian criminal court, however there are a lot of bells and whistles involved including ICRC observers that are necessary to do that legally. The big problem we have in trying to comply with international law doing this is that we seem to be incapable of calling them either lawful or unlawful combatants instead of just 'Combatants,' the difference between the two types of combatants makes all the difference in the world as to what kind of due process they are actually entitled to under international law - firing squad on the battlefield or full-blown due process plus extra bells and whistles.
This is just a really stupid decision. The only reason these underwear-stripes weren't tried by a military commission years ago was Congressional whining about the commissions, which was basically driven by the desire of Congressional Democrats to purposely screw up anything Bush wanted just to count coup on him (Some of them, plus a few clueless idiots like Specter, are truly unaware there is a war on at all, and sincerely believe that all the issues in the world can be resolved by bringing suit - or charges - in a US Federal court; it is the overconfidence of ignorance, unfortunately, which is destined to eventually end badly).
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It looks like our current administration is far more involved in trying to make the past administration look bad than they are in protecting the country...not that there is any surprise in that statement. ::)
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It looks like our current administration is far more involved in trying to make the past administration look bad than they are in protecting the country...not that there is any surprise in that statement. ::)
Too bad the Islamofascist in Chief(piss be upon him) and his merry band of idiots don't realize that the best way to make the previous administration look bad is to do better on the economy, ensuring personal liberties and defending the country against his fellow Islamofascists than the previous administration did.
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Obama/ Holder stated that they would be tried, convicted and executed. The defense lawyers are going to ask for a dismissal on the grounds that these 2 amateur dunces tainted the jury pool. It will be very hard to find a juror who has not heard these two bloviating idiots. Now, the 2 jackasses are craw-fishing back into their hole saying that's not what they meant. I am concerned that this show trial will not turn out well.
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Obama/ Holder stated that they would be tried, convicted and executed. The defense lawyers are going to ask for a dismissal on the grounds that these 2 amateur dunces tainted the jury pool. It will be very hard to find a juror who has not heard these two bloviating idiots. Now, the 2 jackasses are craw-fishing back into their hole saying that's not what they meant. I am concerned that this show trial will not turn out well.
Yeah....the Obama/Holder comments were a big discussion on several shows on Fox. Several lawyers were asked their opinions, and they all said the comments....not only made, but in a televised situation.....was beyond dumb....and just handed a gift to the defense.
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Yeah....the Obama/Holder comments were a big discussion on several shows on Fox. Several lawyers were asked their opinions, and they all said the comments....not only made, but in a televised situation.....was beyond dumb....and just handed a gift to the defense.
When the defense motions are granted by the judge, it will be obvious to all but hard-core lefties in this country that Obama and Holder are the chief idiots who screwed this up. (The hard-core left will blame "Bush's torture" or something like that, not even remotely connected to the actual motion.) New York will go red in 2012 because of this. New Jersey and Connecticut most likely will also go red for the same reason (and a lot of those states' residents work in NYC, so those states lost a lot of residents in the attacks).
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When the defense motions are granted by the judge, it will be obvious to all but hard-core lefties in this country that Obama and Holder are the chief idiots who screwed this up. (The hard-core left will blame "Bush's torture" or something like that, not even remotely connected to the actual motion.) New York will go red in 2012 because of this. New Jersey and Connecticut most likely will also go red for the same reason.
I have not seen or heard anything about the opening "bit" on SNL last night.
They did a number on Obama.
They have for the last couple of weeks.
SNL has always been so liberal.....wonder if it has anything to do with bringing this whole mess to NYC?