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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on November 15, 2009, 04:12:48 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7021412
Oh my.
The New Deal primitive:
RooseveltTruman (67 posts) Sun Nov-15-09 04:51 PM
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Question about New York's 23rd District
In pretty much ANY coverage you read/watch/hear regarding Democrat Bill Owens's victory over Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman in New York's 23rd congressional district, you're almost BOUND to hear this: "This is the first time that the district has sent a Democrat to the House since the Civil War!"
Now, I'll admit straight up: I don't live in NY-23, and I don't know anything about its electoral or redistricting history. So, I did what any admitted ignoramus would do: I went to Wikipedia.
And according to our Wikipals (at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_23rd_congress... ), it would appear that Democrats have been elected many times over the past century and a half, with a Democrat occupying the seat as recently as 1993.
So what gives? What am I missing here? Since I'm ignorant as to New York state gerrymandering and redistricting, could somebody please explain how the "since the Civil War" agreement was reached? Or how the state's gerrymandering has worked in a way that makes that statement true? I was hoping that, over the last two weeks, I'd find an answer to this, but try as I might, I've found nothing, so I'm coming to you guys!
BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 04:53 PM
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1. I heard on the radio yesterday that the final results may come into question...
anyone else hear this?
What a doofus.
And from New York, even.
It's been in the news for almost a week now.
Even out here in the Sandhills of Nebraska.
What sort of news outlets does New York have?
dtotire (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 04:58 PM
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2. Check this Out
The closely watched special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District is turning into a real nail biter -- more than a week after the polls closed.
The Post-Standard in Syracuse is reporting that Democratic Rep. Bill Owens' lead over Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman has narrowed to about 3,000 votes as election officials recanvass the 11-county district. The final outcome will depend on absentee ballots.
Voting machine glitches appear to be to blame for the changing count. The Post-Standard reports that in Oswego County, a Hoffman stronghold, the unofficial vote count showed him only 500 votes ahead with 93 percent of the vote in on election night. Inspectors have since discovered Hoffman actually won the county by 1,748 votes.
The New York State Board of Elections shows the current unofficial vote total as 66,698 to 63,672, according to the Post-Standard. During a wild race for the seat, Republican leaders such as Sarah Palin endorsed the conservative Hoffman over the establishment Republican candidate, who dropped out days before the election and endorsed Owens.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/11/ny-special...
dsc (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 05:08 PM
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3. that refers to the area and not the number of the district
if you look at the end of the article it makes that clear.
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What a doofus.
And from New York, even.
It's been in the news for almost a week now.
Even out here in the Sandhills of Nebraska.
What sort of news outlets does New York have?
Oh, the usual....
CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, AP, New York Times, etc....
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Oh, the usual....
CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, AP, New York Times, etc....
Well, damn.
For a minute there, I thought perhaps the Brooklyn libertine primitive got his news via Pony Express.
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Well, damn.
For a minute there, I thought perhaps the Brooklyn libertine primitive got his news via Pony Express.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
He would have gotten it quicker via Pony Express, and a lot more accurate....
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The latest is, that 7,178 absentee ballots have been received, and will be opened on Tuesday, tomorrow. The count is expected to take three days. Going into that count, Owens is 3,026 ahead.
My email from the Hoffman campaign says they vow to fight.
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The latest is, that 7,178 absentee ballots have been received, and will be opened on Tuesday, tomorrow. The count is expected to take three days. Going into that count, Owens is 3,026 ahead.
My email from the Hoffman campaign says they vow to fight.
My sensing is that if Hoffman is declared the winner, Pelosi just may have an out with the HCR bill. See, the Stupak Amendment is the deal-breaker, either way. If it's in the final bill out of the conference committee, the lefty Dems won't vote for the bill and side with the Republicans, giving the President a huge defeat. If it's out of the bill, the pro-life Dems don't vote for it and side with the Republicans, giving the President a huge defeat.
So, the word I'm hearing is that several Dems around Washington are hoping that Hoffman does indeed win, so that Pelosi can have some cover to call for a re-vote on the bill, and lose with the lefty Dems siding with the Republicans. That absolves her of the responsibility for the bill's defeat.
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The latest is, that 7,178 absentee ballots have been received, and will be opened on Tuesday, tomorrow. The count is expected to take three days. Going into that count, Owens is 3,026 ahead.
My email from the Hoffman campaign says they vow to fight.
Only 7,178? I thought I heard there were a lot more than that.
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Only 7,178? I thought I heard there were a lot more than that.
I heard around 5k. But with a 3k deficit, 7,000 absentee ballots should more then push him over.
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I heard around 5k. But with a 3k deficit, 7,000 absentee ballots should more then push him over.
As long as they aren't primarily from Indian reservations in North Dakota and nursing homes in the greater Chicago area, anyway...
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I heard around 5k. But with a 3k deficit, 7,000 absentee ballots should more then push him over.
Remember though many of these may have been sent out before Scuzzy suspended her campaign.
I suspect she will get a fairly high partyline vote. :banghead:
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The 7,178 number came from the Watertown Daily Times on Saturday. The article said "at least 7,178."
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Remember though many of these may have been sent out before Scuzzy suspended her campaign.
I suspect she will get a fairly high partyline vote. :banghead:
Very true.