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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on November 14, 2009, 10:37:39 PM
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-14-09 11:10 PM
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What have we really got left ?
I read all sorts of posts here and other forums and listen to a few liberal radio shows.
Certainly there are some people who are doing ok ,or better than ok.
I think about the propects we have, the possibilities left.
Really without living wage jobs available for anyone capable of working then everything else falls down into the dirt. No matter what sort of health insurance bill is offered up without an income what chance has one got to buy into it and what good is it.
When people are forced to work two to three jobs just to make ends meet and have a family then all suffer and life becomes a grinding mill , that provides one can even find one job and many can't.
I don't see jobs coming back anytime soon or even a description of just what they might be , as most know by now the jobs we lost are not coming back and green jobs are for the most part not now but in the future.
The unions have cut back on members and wages , schools are broke and entire states are broke.
Yes it started with Reagan and even before Reagan.
What we do fund are wars and hardware and box stores and slave labor and believe in political promises tossed around like candy on the campaign trail . We support grand buildings and offices for the political reps as if they are kings and queens while many people live in the streets or one paycheck away for this form of life.
We have allowed wallstreet and assorted corporations to fund the political parties on both sides. We allow banks and credit cards to have become worse than loan sharks and they get away with this.
We give billions away to other countries each year and don't even take care of our own.
What the hell have we really got now? We had hope at one time , things were reasonable to a point but we dropped the ball and watched it bounce away.
This country is so divided that I don't see how we can ever get close to blending to reach a happy medium that everyone is included . I know nothing is ever perfect and everyone has to make adjustments and compromise but what we have now can only be defined as insane.
I really doubt after the 8 years of the last admin this can now be repaired , it is broken to the point of no return and bailing out the too big to fail was the wrong way to go about this.
I don't believe for a second that we will protect this country form so called terrorist attacks by sending our people to the believed but not proven source of past terrorist attacks and pull this off by bombing and shooting them we need to protect our own borders and ports which can be done without death as the outcome. I believe 9/11 could have been prevented if we had done just that.
Of course that is if you buy the official story which I don't , yet there was a reason it happened so we then allowed our own government or corporations to piss someone off.
We need to end this global economy idea and do our own work here and let other countries do theirs and have fair trade not slave trade.
I think about this all the time and I don't see any way out of this the way our government is going about it.
Most of the illness we see must come from the years and decades of toxic crap we have pumped into just about everything , these are on the rise.
People somehow seem to think the resources are endless when they are not. We have used them the wrong way and mixed them the wrong way and transformed to planet into something we thought it should be with our cars and huge buildings , speaking of buildings , remember not all that long ago all the talk about sick buildings because of all the chemicals used to build them? We have covered the landscape with black top and remover trees and grass and carved out mountains to do so.
We don't have any of the right answers , we have no answers at all other than to feel we can keep going like this and make everything green. When will that be , one thousand years from now.
This is the earth and people and all the animals and this is what we all should focus on , not wars and death and corporations or base everything on money.
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-14-09 11:21 PM
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2. it's pretty obvious that the top marginal tax rate needs to be raised appreciably.
we've been living on borrowed money ever since ronbo raygun slashed it- and the increased revenues never really materialized anywhere near the levels promised, and not enough to sustain our 'way of life'. and the 'wealth gap' as become a chasm, as the middle class has been decimated.
by whatever means necessary- we are in dire need of a re-distribution of wealth, in order to restore stability to our society.
How about people take care of themselves? I know a radical idea especially when the president goes around telling us we can't take care of ourselves and need govt to do the job for us.
And I tell you what let's redistribute what you have. I bet all of a sudden you will sound like a conservative if that is suggested.
The answer to the question of what we have left is nothing after Obama is done with us we will be hoping to have change left over after he is done taxing us.
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Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich! That's all I ever hear from these DUmpsters. Even during this recession they can't bend their minds around the rich actually paying us to play! How many jobs are they paying for to buy all the high dollar mechandise they just can't do without? To say nothing of the company labor they pay for in order to get rich. For cryin' out loud, when will you DUmmies wake up and smell the cash? Frikkin' nincompoops!
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The country is divided into....
Those that work and those that won't.
The druggies and the sober.
The haves and those that want to take it.
IOW: Conservatives and damn liberals and if this country is broken, you can blame it all on liberalism.
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The country is divided into....
Those that work and those that won't.
The druggies and the sober.
The haves and those that want to take it.
IOW: Conservatives and damn liberals and if this country is broken, you can blame it all on liberalism.
Someone made those very points on Townhall.com last week.
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-14-09 11:21 PM
Response to Original message
2. it's pretty obvious that the top marginal tax rate needs to be raised appreciably.
we've been living on borrowed money ever since ronbo raygun slashed it- and the increased revenues never really materialized anywhere near the levels promised, and not enough to sustain our 'way of life'. and the 'wealth gap' as become a chasm, as the middle class has been decimated.
by whatever means necessary- we are in dire need of a re-distribution of wealth, in order to restore stability to our society.
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I am probably lower middle class yet somehow can manage to live without the daily angst of wanting what someone else has.
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I am probably lower middle class yet somehow can manage to live without the daily angst of wanting what someone else has.
Same here, but I don't begrudge those that have more what they have. I don't want the government to take from others to give me more.
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What's mine is mine, and if somebody else has something else, I don't want that something else.
It's the philosophy of my life.
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Wow blues90 primitive, that was long................... and boring. Are you OK? Do you need a glass of water?
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-14-09 11:21 PM
Response to Original message
2. it's pretty obvious that the top marginal tax rate needs to be raised appreciably.
we've been living on borrowed money ever since ronbo raygun slashed it- and the increased revenues never really materialized anywhere near the levels promised, and not enough to sustain our 'way of life'. and the 'wealth gap' as become a chasm, as the middle class has been decimated.
by whatever means necessary- we are in dire need of a re-distribution of wealth, in order to restore stability to our society.
"Stability" is the last thing you'll get by a "by whatever means necessary" "re-distribution of wealth." BTW, which side tends to have the most guns--yours, broken printers primitive, or ours?
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Yawn.. Another 'I want free money, and free services' thread.
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What, all the healing white light and herb smoke isn't working after all?
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I want to know who DUmmy bluesnumbers is in real life. I want to invite him to my Christmas party, to make everyone else feel better. What a DUmbass loser! Another DUmmy who just needs a gallon of gas and a garden hose to improve the world.