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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Golem on November 06, 2009, 05:35:46 PM
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/2weyt53.gif)Birther alert!(http://i42.tinypic.com/2weyt53.gif)
I've decided to make this an open thread for my birther articles. Others are welcome to use this thread too, of course, but they don't have to.
The reason I did this is because the arguments from both sides tend to be repeated from thread to thread. With one thread, this might be somewhat lessened.
Rep. Deal wants Obama to prove citizenship
Republican gubernatorial candidate and U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal says he wants the president to prove he is an American citizen.
Deal says he has "no reason to think" that President Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. citizen but enough questions have been raised that he plans to write a letter to the president asking him to produce a birth certificate showing he was born in the United States.
Read the rest at The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (http://www.ajc.com/news/rep-deal-wants-obama-188779.html)
I guess Nathan wants to be a big Deal. Just what the GOP needs - more birther lunacy. Thanks a lot, dipstick.
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Obama's grandmother swears he was born in Kenya, but if his mom was a U.S. citizen I guess he is no matter where he was born. Not much of an American, but one nontheless.
Anywho, this is Old Hat. We need to be concerned more with the here and now.
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What's Obama afraid of? Why has he spent soooooooooo much money fighting this?
Sometimes it's not the truth that matter, but how the truth is made known.
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Anywho, this is Old Hat. We need to be concerned more with the here and now.
I wish someone could convince the birthers and their followers of that.
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What's Obama afraid of? Why has he spent soooooooooo much money fighting this?
Sometimes it's not the truth that matter, but how the truth is made known.
His birth certificate lists race as white maybe?
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I wish someone could convince the birthers and their followers of that.
He does appear to be hiding something. A lot of somethings in fact.
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His birth certificate lists race as white maybe?
more accurately, Caucasian... I don't see that as an issue, honestly. The lefties would just remind us that the Dr./hospital/culture of the time was completely racist and that would be the end of it. Many on the right would just shake our heads in dismay at the money wasted hiding that single word.
what is disheartening is that his grandmother and cousin insist he was born in Kenya...
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There a two chances of Obama being removed from office because of this:
Slim, and none.
And Slim just died on the operating table.
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I agree. Even if we COULD prove the man wasn't eligible to be president it would not make any difference because there is NO WAY the Democrats would depose him. In fact, even the Republicans wouldn't press it either because they would be too afraid of being called a racist and causing riots in the streets.
Maybe he IS and maybe he isn't.......doesn't matter. We are stuck with him until 2012. Let's focus on all the many OTHER objections we have to him that we maybe CAN do something about. We are sitting here with two unbelievably disastrous bills facing us - health care and cap and trade - and people want to spend time worrying about something that isn't going to change a thing?
I never did like tilting at windmills anyway.
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I never did like tilting at windmills anyway.
Tilting at windmills, is of course, a reference to Don Quixote. And Don Quixote was insane.
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Guess that means I'm sane then, doesn't it? Or at least relatively so. :p
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He does appear to be hiding something. A lot of somethings in fact.
Hi,
The treasury department wants to charge people with crimes who have money invested offshore, they will be presumed guilty until they can prove their innocence. ]
If that is the case, the question is why has Obama fought off all legal challenges to produce his birth certificate to the tune of over a million in legal fees? If he is not hiding something, he could have easily put things to rest months ago by producing the proof of his citizenship.
Sure looks fishy to me....
regards,
5412
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I agree. Even if we COULD prove the man wasn't eligible to be president it would not make any difference because there is NO WAY the Democrats would depose him. In fact, even the Republicans wouldn't press it either because they would be too afraid of being called a racist and causing riots in the streets.
Maybe he IS and maybe he isn't.......doesn't matter. We are stuck with him until 2012. Let's focus on all the many OTHER objections we have to him that we maybe CAN do something about. We are sitting here with two unbelievably disastrous bills facing us - health care and cap and trade - and people want to spend time worrying about something that isn't going to change a thing?
I never did like tilting at windmills anyway.
And if they - anyone on Congress and any citizen - didn't try, the COTUS would be dead.
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Guess that means I'm sane then, doesn't it? Or at least relatively so. :p
I define Birthers as the leaders of the movement - not the interested citizens following along.
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His dad is Malcolm X, I read it on the innertubes! I have pictorial proof.... just sayin.
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There a two chances of Obama being removed from office because of this:
Slim, and none.
And Slim just died on the operating table.
Agreed.
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Hi,
The treasury department wants to charge people with crimes who have money invested offshore, they will be presumed guilty until they can prove their innocence. ]
If that is the case, the question is why has Obama fought off all legal challenges to produce his birth certificate to the tune of over a million in legal fees? If he is not hiding something, he could have easily put things to rest months ago by producing the proof of his citizenship.
Sure looks fishy to me....
regards,
5412
At times I think the Birth issue is a well played Obama red herring, designed solely to spin wheels, waste time and resources - like the whole 'Area 51' thing - Let the kooks go on about space aliens, so that the United States could hide experimental craft in plain view.
In the case of Obama, it's to funnel off money, resources and professional reputations that could be used to find something tangible against him. --The birth certificate issue is part of the 'RACIST !' strategy -- It allows Obama to hide undesirable details in plain view.
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At times I think the Birth issue is a well played Obama red herring, designed solely to spin wheels, waste time and resources - like the whole 'Area 51' thing - Let the kooks go on about space aliens, so that the United States could hide experimental craft in plain view.
In the case of Obama, it's to funnel off money, resources and professional reputations that could be used to find something tangible against him. --The birth certificate issue is part of the 'RACIST !' strategy -- It allows Obama to hide undesirable details in plain view.
Hi,
We all may have theories and yours is one that is fairly common from what I understand. Personally I doubt if he would be removed from office unless he declared martial law and tried a communist takeover or something. I think they are afraid of Patraeus or Schwartzkov...and if it came to that then his birth issue could be important.
On the other hand, if indeed there may be some truth to the fact he is not elibible to be president, then the 2012 issue hopefully would be settled, plus there are many who believe Pelosi and other top democrat leaders knew that he was not eligible. Now that could be really fun.......
regards,
5412
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Hi,
We all may have theories and yours is one that is fairly common from what I understand. Personally I doubt if he would be removed from office unless he declared martial law and tried a communist takeover or something. I think they are afraid of Patraeus or Schwartzkov...and if it came to that then his birth issue could be important.
On the other hand, if indeed there may be some truth to the fact he is not elibible to be president, then the 2012 issue hopefully would be settled, plus there are many who believe Pelosi and other top democrat leaders knew that he was not eligible. Now that could be really fun.......
regards,
5412
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As for the theory, its something I came to accept as the most likely scenario over time - It makes no sense to so stubbornly refuse to produce something that would shut down debate that seemingly works to damage Obama - But that's only on the surface - Now when a political adversary has some useful information that may be harmful to Obama, and its also revealed that this adversary is also a 'birther' , anything relevant they may have to present is now dismissed out of hand as pure kookery. -- The same way most people view the 9/11 truthers - Once someone admits they believe any of the 9/11 conspiracies, they become irrelevant.
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Obama has a suspect past. Wright, Farakan, Ayers, being born in Kenya. It doesn't seem to stick to him despite all the math and dubious whereabouts throughout his life.
If it was proven that he was born outside the united states, it wouldn't matter, because he would still be a U.S. citizen as his mother was a U.S. citizen.
The worst controversy that can come out of it is that he will be called a liar. Could hurt his credibility towards the chicken shit moderates that bend over for him.
But if it takes the birther issue to wake up people about this president, then that's sad, considering everything else he has done so far I'm still really shocked this guy's
approval rating is just under 50%. Almost half this country is ignorant, moronic, or wants to see this country burn under the guise of progressive change.
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Mustang, many Americans are like everyone else. They don't want freedom. They want the illusion of freedom.
They want a just master. They want to live in a gilded cage
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Mustang, many Americans are like everyone else. They don't want freedom. They want the illusion of freedom.
They want a just master. They want to live in a gilded cage
I think it is more a matter of them not wanting the ultimate personal responsibility that comes with real freedom. They want a saftey net, paid for and maintained by others.
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Obama has a suspect past. Wright, Farakan, Ayers, being born in Kenya. It doesn't seem to stick to him despite all the math and dubious whereabouts throughout his life.
If it was proven that he was born outside the united states, it wouldn't matter, because he would still be a U.S. citizen as his mother was a U.S. citizen.
The worst controversy that can come out of it is that he will be called a liar. Could hurt his credibility towards the chicken shit moderates that bend over for him.
But if it takes the birther issue to wake up people about this president, then that's sad, considering everything else he has done so far I'm still really shocked this guy's
approval rating is just under 50%. Almost half this country is ignorant, moronic, or wants to see this country burn under the guise of progressive change.
And sadly almost half of the others are republicans.
Leaves far two few able to look beyond party line bullshit.
But hey, I'm not the one working for an RNC organization.
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If it was proven that he was born outside the united states, it wouldn't matter, because he would still be a U.S. citizen as his mother was a U.S. citizen.
NO! ....If he was born outside of the USA, both parents had to be US citizens for him to be a US citizen.
I explained this once before. I went through all this with my X-wife. Her dad was US citizen(US Army stationed in Germany), her mother was British. My X-wife was born in Germany....she held a British citizenship because her Mom was British(British law is different than ours, only requires one British parent), X-wife had German citizenship simply because she was born on German soil and the X-wife had to go to the trouble of getting US citizenship when she turned 21.
If Obama was not born on US soil, he is NOT a natural born US citizen. The fact that his mother was a US citizen does not automatically make him a US citizen if he were born outside of US territory.
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I wish someone could convince the birthers and their followers of that.
Why do you come here and use terms for Republican/Conservatives that are found being spoken by idiots in the MSM and on the Liberal Blogs?
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TRG--to be fair, I also use the term "birther".
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This has been said so many times, I think it merits a repeat. :-) There are so many reasons to go after Obama, one being the total disregard of the COTUS. However, his refusal to comply with a basic request speaks to his pomposity, arrogance and a basic feeling that he is above the law.
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This has been said so many times, I think it merits a repeat. :-) There are so many reasons to go after Obama, one being the total disregard of the COTUS. However, his refusal to comply with a basic request speaks to his pomposity, arrogance and a basic feeling that he is above the law.
Schade, the people who vet the documents apparently didn't feel there was enough of an issue.
To my mind, this whole grasping at the "is he or isn't he a citizen" meme is a conservative version of Florida 2000, IOW, not a useful discussion.
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Schade, the people who vet the documents apparently didn't feel there was enough of an issue.
To my mind, this whole grasping at the "is he or isn't he a citizen" meme is a conservative version of Florida 2000, IOW, not a useful discussion.
I agree it's not useful, just reiterating how disingenuous it is to claim honesty and transparency and then refuse to produce a document that most of use can produce quite handily. Of course we knew that already.
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Why do you come here and use terms for Republican/Conservatives that are found being spoken by idiots in the MSM and on the Liberal Blogs?
Several conservative commentators us the term "birther." Michael Medved and Hugh Hewitt come to mind.
Also, I've seen some people on conservative boards proudly call themselves birthers.
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Several conservative commentators us the term "birther." Michael Medved and Hugh Hewitt come to mind.
Doesn't matter. Most people hear that and think Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman.
Also, I've seen some people on conservative boards proudly call themselves birthers.
Must be small little boards cause I've never seen a Conservative call themselves that.
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I agree it's not useful, just reiterating how disingenuous it is to claim honesty and transparency and then refuse to produce a document that most of use can produce quite handily. Of course we knew that already.
I sorta look at it from a broader perspective.....not only have the circumstances of his birth come into question, correctly or not, but his academic background as well as other historical aspects of his life appear to be strangely either missing, or deliberately suppressed.......whether that makes me a "birther" or not, I think there are too many inconsistencies in his background that were not vetted by the media during his candidacy, for there not to be something problematic there.......
But when it comes to neomarxists, I tend to be a bit paranoid.......
doc
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I wish someone could convince the birthers and their followers of that.
Of what? Depending on her age, she may not have been old enough to pass on citizenship to her child.
BTW, why does his short-form birth certificate state his dad's race as "African"? Is he of the same race as Ernie Els?
All of this is easily cleared up. He should release ALL of his records. What's he hiding?
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I sorta look at it from a broader perspective.....not only have the circumstances of his birth come into question, correctly or not, but his academic background as well as other historical aspects of his life appear to be strangely either missing, or deliberately suppressed.......whether that makes me a "birther" or not, I think there are too many inconsistencies in his background that were not vetted by the media during his candidacy, for there not to be something problematic there.......
But when it comes to neomarxists, I tend to be a bit paranoid.......
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I never considered myself a tinfoiler until this presidency, even Clinton didn't raise as many red flags for me. I agree wholly with what you have said. I guess I don't care if the media didn't vet him.... but for God's sake with all the bureaucrats at every level of government, why is it that nobody validated his credentials? Or did one person? Who was that person? Admittedly, I haven't really kept up with all the details of this saga, but why so many lawsuits out there claiming that he was put on the ballot without his US citizenship established?
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I never considered myself a tinfoiler until this presidency, even Clinton didn't raise as many red flags for me. I agree wholly with what you have said. I guess I don't care if the media didn't vet him.... but for God's sake with all the bureaucrats at every level of government, why is it that nobody validated his credentials? Or did one person? Who was that person? Admittedly, I haven't really kept up with all the details of this saga, but why so many lawsuits out there claiming that he was put on the ballot without his US citizenship established?
Whoever that person was, they probably ended up somewhere in Rock Creek Park approaching ambient temperature.
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The left has successfully quieted people who are concerned about President Obama's background by calling them "birthers", racists, etc. And sadly many of the conservatives have joined them because who wants to be considered crazy or racist? If President Obama doesn't have something to hide, why has he spent so much money to keep his records from the public. It is not just his birth certificate, it's many records that should have been made public and were made public by past presidents.
From the day he was sworn in, I knew that it didn't matter whether he was a legal resident or not and that he would at least serve one term. But I also knew that all the things about his background that were consciously ignored by the media would and should make a difference for future elections and for history.
President Obama is a total fraud. As long as we allow his background to be kept in the shadows, he will be allowed to keep up his false image.
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Sorry, Reeanna. The reason I don't buy into the whole birther bit is because of several reasons:
--Don't you think Hillary would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Don't you think SOMEONE in government would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Wouldn't the rule in the house that ONE Senator and ONE Rep could challenge have been invoked, unless it weren't?
Okay, to those who say, "Well then, why doesn't he just show us and clear it all up?" Don't you think that maybe that's EXACTLY what his handlers want, in order to distract from the larger issue of his agenda? By playing up the "birther" issue, Obama actually GAINS political capital which he can use to further his plans. By obscuring the BC issue, he can, in some circles, gain sypathetic ears; "Oh those mean conservatives are picking on me again!"
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I changed the title and the scope of the thread.
I've decided to make this an open thread for my birther articles. Others are welcome to use this thread too, of course, but they don't have to.
The reason I did this is because the arguments from both sides tend to be repeated from thread to thread. With one thread, this might be somewhat lessened.
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Rush Limbaugh Fumbles Obama’s Birth Certificate
This guy, Dr. James David Manning, is upset because Rush never heard of Phillip Berg or Larry Sinclair. Good on Rush. I wish I'd never heard of them either.
Video here: http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=1082
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Sorry, Reeanna. The reason I don't buy into the whole birther bit is because of several reasons:
--Don't you think Hillary would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Don't you think SOMEONE in government would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Wouldn't the rule in the house that ONE Senator and ONE Rep could challenge have been invoked, unless it weren't?
Okay, to those who say, "Well then, why doesn't he just show us and clear it all up?" Don't you think that maybe that's EXACTLY what his handlers want, in order to distract from the larger issue of his agenda? By playing up the "birther" issue, Obama actually GAINS political capital which he can use to further his plans. By obscuring the BC issue, he can, in some circles, gain sypathetic ears; "Oh those mean conservatives are picking on me again!"
With all the red tape at all levels of government, you know there must be a verification process for presidents and other elected officials. Presumably this is the Secretary of State's job to validate the ballot.....Tell me why several lawsuits are alleging that the Secy of States of various states did not verify his citizenship. I don't care about the birth certificate (I wouldn't be able to tell if it was a forgery anyway), I want to know that the process is being followed. The fact that no one will swear to his qualifications is as unbelievable as nobody having vetted him. Why doesn't a judge just make the statement that he has reviewed all the documentation and BHO is a US Citizen? This shouldn't be so difficult and yes it is distracting, not sure why BHO is pulling all the strings here.
No, I am not a birther, just have an opinion on playing stupid games.
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Are you suggesting that Mr. Ritchie didn't do his job in MN? He did such a great job on the Coleman/Franken campaign. :rotf: :bawl:
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I can't agree. First of all, I said that he was hiding something. There are many documents besides his birth certificate that have not been released. It's not just the birth certificate. Secondly, everyone and I mean everyone was so afraid of being called a racist that almost everything this man has done has been overlooked. President Obama's association with Reverend Wright should have sunk his campaign, but it was brushed aside. His association with Bill Ayers who wrote his books was ignored. The way he won his first political campaign. His lack of any serious political experience. Facts that would have sunk any other campaign were and still are being overlooked. This president was not properly vetted.
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Are you suggesting that Mr. Ritchie didn't do his job in MN? He did such a great job on the Coleman/Franken campaign. :rotf: :bawl:
:evillaugh:
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I can't agree. First of all, I said that he was hiding something. There are many documents besides his birth certificate that have not been released. It's not just the birth certificate. Secondly, everyone and I mean everyone was so afraid of being called a racist that almost everything this man has done has been overlooked. President Obama's association with Reverend Wright should have sunk his campaign, but it was brushed aside. His association with Bill Ayers who wrote his books was ignored. The way he won his first political campaign. His lack of any serious political experience. Facts that would have sunk any other campaign were and still are being overlooked. This president was not properly vetted.
I agree and not a single republican including our own presidential candidate wanted to risk their career to challenge any of these associations. Palin was the only one who came close to calling him out for palling around with terrorists and look at the lack of support she got from her own party.
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The only thing that has bothered me is where is the transparency he promised during his campaign. I really don't care where he was born only a few know the truth and they will have to live with it but I can't stand his smug attitude.