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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: USA4ME on November 06, 2009, 11:45:40 AM
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kentuck
In 1983, Ronald Reagan had an unemployment rate of 10.5% and the next year, he won a landslide election. How?
This was also when he decided to "reform" the Social Security system by raising the rates on most of working America, by increasing their FICA taxes in order to "save" the system. He also decided to include the military in the numbers of employed, which helped to keep the numbers down. He blamed it all on Jimmy Carter. Successfully, I might add.
Now Barack Obama is approaching the same unemployment numbers as Ronald Reagan in 1983. Can he successfully blame it on George W Bush?? The numbers may be similar but the economic environments are very different. The banking system in 1983 were not a near collapse. We did not have the same threats to our economic system as we do today. There was room for productivity then that we do not have now.
Will Barack Obama be able to replicate Reagan's victory with the high unemployment numbers? Only if we can start producing jobs by 2012. In the meantime, he should not waste the opportunity to lay the blame where it belongs, at the feet of George W Bush and the Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6943268
Please, please, please try and run a campaign on "Unemployment was higher under Reagan" and "It's Bush's fault."
Let's see, when Reagan came into office, Carter left him with interest rates at 21%, inflation at 14%, and unemployment at 7.5%. In 1983, interest rates had dropped to 13%, inflation was reduced to 3.5%, and unemployment was at 8.3% at the end of the year and had dropped to 7.2% by the time the election was held in Nov, 1984.
Yeah, you idiots, try running against that. I can't count how few will flock to the polls saying "Well, unemployment is really around 20% and we're still losing jobs, but Dear Leader telling me that I should always blame Bush and never him has got my vote." :mental: If individuals actually do that, then hang it up, this country is cooked.
BTW, in 1983 this "He blamed it all on Jimmy Carter. Successfully, I might add." crap is just a lie. By 1983, Reagan didn't cry that he was still dealing with Carter's economic mishaps, unlike the child in office now who can't accept responsibility for anything and wants to destroy those who would dare point the finger at him.
As far as Dear Leader and 2012, we'll have to see what happens in 2010. If, like Clinton, he can get a majority Congress that can reign in his radical Marxist agenda, if he greatly moderates his positions like Clinton was forced to do, he could get another term. However, if he's allowed to roam free and destroy like he is now, then it might be a different story.
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He also decided to include the military in the numbers of employed
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As far as Dear Leader and 2012, we'll have to see what happens in 2010. If, like Clinton, he can get a majority Congress that can reign in his radical Marxist agenda, if he greatly moderates his positions like Clinton was forced to do, he could get another term. However, if he's allowed to roam free and destroy like he is now, then it might be a different story.
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You know that he's too arrogant to realize, "The American people don't like my positions, so I need to moderate them." So, he's gonna get buried in both the 2010 and 2012 elections.
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Stay stupid, kentuck.
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Ahem,
The "malaise" of the late 70's and early 80's was caused by the Carter Administration and it's very
short sighted economic and foreign policies. The Big Three networks, led by Tom Brokaw, reported the misery index nightly. For those too young to recall, the misery index comprised, unemployment, interest
rates and inflation. Carter and his Administration were incompetent at best, impotent at their worst.
Witness the Iranian hostage crisis in which radical Islam was birthed,(Thanks Jimmuh!) The radicals in Iran knew that Carter was beyond weak and took full advantage of it. Why? because they saw the same
President and how the Soviets took advantage of him and gave rise to the Afghan fiasco.(Thanks, Jimmuh, again!)
Jimmuh also gutted the field force of the CIA operatives in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia in favor of satellites under his CIA director, Stansfield Turner. (trifecta, Jimmuh!)
Where in the world is the world having the most problems today? Eastern Europe (Serbia), the Middle East, and Southwest Asia......thanks Jimmuh!
Jimmuh's response to the gas crisis was to lower the thermostats in the White House and appear on TV in a sweater and tell us of the malaise in America. Proper decorum does not allow what Jimmuh really is.
Reagan, and to their credit, the blue dog democrats in the House and the Senate, decided enough was
enough, and cut taxes in order to "stimulate the economy". The rest is history. Tax Revenues went up to the Treasury, spending increased because the Democrats still controlled the Congress, but the Reagan vision for America based on the tenets of freedom and liberty, unleashed the advance of science and technology that started with Reagan, through Bush I and well into the Clinton presidency.
Reagan was the finest person ever groomed to be President.
God Bless You President Reagan (and Nancy)
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This is a little long, but interesting. No little goon rebutted him.
notesdev (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 12:34 PM
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10. Hard to make that argument
when the Democrats in office have adopted such an amazingly terrible economic platform, keep Geithner in charge of Treasury, re-appoint Bernanke to the Fed, keep Summers on the NEC, then engage in an orgy of spending the likes of which the world has never seen before, with the vast majority of the money going to the very kinds of folks (investment bankers) who were the primary agents that created the problem in the first place. TARP - major fail. Stimulus - big time fail. CFC - uber fail. First-time homebuyer credit - fraudsters' paradise (and being renewed even after that is known!) And on and on and on. Then we have things like Cap & Trade which will do nothing for the environment but it sure will make Goldman Sachs a lot of money - while choking economic activity in every other sector. Then we have people talking about raising taxes while so many people are struggling to eat! Should I mention that no one is amused that "Friends of Angelo" like Dodd and Towns still sit on finance committees, and that the Senate couldn't find a thing wrong with obvious bribery from Countrywide (the poster child for fraudulent home loans which brought down the industry)?
The GOP couldn't have scripted the Democrats' actions better, to set up for recapturing the House in 2010. Democrats need to seriously clean house as the FIRST order of business - put aside health care and everything else - because nothing we can do can change the situation that the regular Joe finds himself in as long as all legislation must pass through the hands of industry-bribed politicians.
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Wow.
The Cliff's Notes primitive is an old-timer, but I wonder if he's hash now.
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 12:34 PM
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10. Hard to make that argument
when the Democrats in office have adopted such an amazingly terrible economic platform, keep Geithner in charge of Treasury, re-appoint Bernanke to the Fed, keep Summers on the NEC, then engage in an orgy of spending the likes of which the world has never seen before, with the vast majority of the money going to the very kinds of folks (investment bankers) who were the primary agents that created the problem in the first place. TARP - major fail. Stimulus - big time fail. CFC - uber fail. First-time homebuyer credit - fraudsters' paradise (and being renewed even after that is known!) And on and on and on. Then we have things like Cap & Trade which will do nothing for the environment but it sure will make Goldman Sachs a lot of money - while choking economic activity in every other sector. Then we have people talking about raising taxes while so many people are struggling to eat! Should I mention that no one is amused that "Friends of Angelo" like Dodd and Towns still sit on finance committees, and that the Senate couldn't find a thing wrong with obvious bribery from Countrywide (the poster child for fraudulent home loans which brought down the industry)?
The GOP couldn't have scripted the Democrats' actions better, to set up for recapturing the House in 2010. Democrats need to seriously clean house as the FIRST order of business - put aside health care and everything else - because nothing we can do can change the situation that the regular Joe finds himself in as long as all legislation must pass through the hands of industry-bribed politicians.
WOW!!! A brief twinkle of truth and intelligence at the dump....
I'm afraid, though, that notesy's demise will be as glorious as it will be brief....
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Alert buttons must be getting worn out all over the DUmp.