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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: jinxmchue on November 02, 2009, 02:41:38 PM
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KansasVoter
Sat Oct-31-09 10:22 PM
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13 year old daughter made an interesting observation abour Satan today!
My whole family are Atheists.
But my 13 year old daughter asked me today...
"Why does everyone think hell is a bad place? If satan hates god and god sends you to hell because you make god mad, then why would satan treat you bad? If satan hates god and god sent you to hell because he was mad then satan would be glad you made god mad and treat you good in hell."
I thought it was a good point.
This is what happens when you get your ideas about what Hell is from shows like "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
elleng
Sat Oct-31-09 10:23 PM
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1. And your daughter appears to be extremely logical!!!
What's in HER future????
Only in DUmmyland would a person stating something so completely wrong be considered "extremely logical."
More of the same:
Jamastiene
Sat Oct-31-09 10:31 PM
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4. That's a smart kid.
gateley
Sat Oct-31-09 10:36 PM
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5. I heard a story about the Christian Missionaries getting so frustrated while
attempting to convert the native Alaskans because they couldn't scare them with threats of hellfire and damnation. Then they realized that a warm, hot place for eternity probably seemed enticing to these c-c-cold folks! Ha!
Your kid is a sharp one -- using logic (which has no place in most organized religions). I wish more people would question these things.
DeSwiss
Sat Oct-31-09 10:52 PM
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10. Very smart child. Give her extra candy this Halloween. Updated at 4:25 PM
- And I must say that I'm thankful that all of mine know it's a fairy tale as well.
Odin2005
Sun Nov-01-09 12:18 AM
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14. You've got a smart young lady, there!
MineralMan
Sun Nov-01-09 09:45 AM
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17. What a clever young lady!
rd_kent
Sun Nov-01-09 12:19 PM
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19. Stop making sense.........quit pointing out the ABSURDITY of religion....
you might offend someone........
I am glad your daughter is so enlightened.
patrice
Sun Nov-01-09 01:36 PM
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20. Oh my, yes! Give that little thinker a hug!!
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 01:37 PM by patrice
Though I would use a different nomenclature, I agree with her in most regards and with my own addendum: I think it all happens right here. Everything that ever was, is, or will be is all encoded into Now.
:whatever:
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Satan, the first liberal.
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I thought it was a good point.
Only a liberal could not make the distinction between good and evil!
Heaven help the children of these despicable people!
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The atheists should be proud! There are no atheists in Hell. Not a single one.
KC
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Revolting. When I pass I hope God will let me stand at the Pearly Gates in my Blues and an M39 and be given the opportunity to tell people like that, "Sorry. You're in the wrong place. You're entrance is downstairs. Enjoy the view."
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Revolting. When I pass I hope God will let me stand at the Pearly Gates in my Blues and an M39 and be given the opportunity to tell people like that, "Sorry. You're in the wrong place. You're entrance is downstairs. Enjoy the view." Then kick them down the stairs on their keyster!
fixored!
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Okay, I freely admit to being one of the most unreligious people on this board, but even I can see the fundamental flaw in thinking there. Since Satan's fall and his resulting hatred were basically products of irrational thinking, why would he behave rationally to piss off God just for your lowly human benefit, kid? Wouldn't making you eternally suffer be more in keeping with his overweening pride and tendency to excess? Hmmm?
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If the geniuses would actually read the Bible they would find that even though for now Satan has been given freedom to tempt mankind away from fellowship with God his fate is the same as any unrepentent sinner.
Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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elleng
Sat Oct-31-09 10:23 PM
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1. And your daughter appears to be extremely logical!!!
What's in HER future????
Actually, it's only logical if your concept of Satan is the guy on the Underwood Deviled Ham can.
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This is ****ing stupid. Bounce.
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KansasVoter
13 year old daughter made an interesting observation abour Satan today!
"Why does everyone think hell is a bad place? If satan hates god and god sends you to hell because you make god mad, then why would satan treat you bad?"
Yeah. Satan is just a swell guy who only wants you to live with him for all eternity in comfort. Go for it.
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Okay, I freely admit to being one of the most unreligious people on this board, but even I can see the fundamental flaw in thinking there. Since Satan's fall and his resulting hatred were basically products of irrational thinking, why would he behave rationally to piss off God just for your lowly human benefit, kid? Wouldn't making you eternally suffer be more in keeping with his overweening pride and tendency to excess? Hmmm?
Well and if mankind is beloved by God, one would acknowledge that even when sent to Hell, it would pain and break the heart of God to know one of His beloved is suffering eternally. I think they miss the whole part that God doesn't want any of humanity to part ways from Him. They are counting on God hating the person that got sent to Hell.
Also, I do believe Satan was jealous and hateful of humanity to begin with. Party with a human? Not on your life. Satan might use humans, but he has too much disdain for them to ever put them up in comfort of any kind on any sort of permanent basis.
As another twist when one is sent to hell it is like they have been left to the sharks. God has washed his hands, reluctantly, and left you with your enemy whether you know it or not. His protection gone.
That's been my take through years after much consideration as to the whys.
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elleng...And your daughter appears to be extremely logical! What's in HER future?
With a little luck....not pregnant before 16.....not a drug addict before 18....but probably near death by 21.
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The DUmp religion forum is always fun, isn't it?
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This is not unlike the stories they will post of their children's take on politics. They will find the child's attempt at reasoning to mirror their own simplistic thoughts and decide the child is very advanced, instead of realizing it is they who are lacking.
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This is not unlike the stories they will post of their children's take on politics. They will find the child's attempt at reasoning to mirror their own simplistic thoughts and decide the child is very advanced, instead of realizing it is they who are lacking.
If we had hi-5's still, I'd be giving you one for this!