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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on October 27, 2009, 02:43:36 PM
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 01:46 PM
Original message
Why would Ann Coulter Lie About Lee Harvey Oswald and then slander MoveOn.org?
The author and tee vee personality was on CNN's Joy Behar show
and, of course, she used the occassion to slander Liberals,
saying Liberals were always behind political assassinations.
She proclaimed Lee Harvey Oswald guilty of being a "Lefty,"
working on behalf of Fidel Castro and, by extension, the Soviet Union.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6866875
The DUmmies won't fave the truth about lefties being violent.
damntexdem (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 01:48 PM
Response to Original message
2. yeah, I can't figure it out, either -- why didn't she do it in the reverse order.
Surely it must be more-important to lie about MoveOn.org than lying about Oswald.
Telling the truth about moveon is more important, but Oswald was used to get your attention.
Mole alert. :)
paulsby (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 01:53 PM
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5. you are aware that oswald WAS a lefty?
coulter is a putz, and is wrong about a lot, but she is right about oswald
oswald
1) applied for citizenship in the USSR (defected then returned
2) claimed to be a marxist
3) wrote to the socialist league of america, stated he was a marxist, and asked for literature
oswald was seriously #$9$#( in the head, etc. but there is pretty substantial pointers to his politics as being far to the left.
here's an excerpt from wikipedia entry about his time in the USSR...
EOTE (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. So if LHO actually killed JFK, she might have a leg to stand on.
As it is, she's just trying to use any excuse she can to slam liberals.
:tinfoil2:
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Even if he didn't actually shoot JFK, he certainly tried to
Not related to the topic, just a great video.
EOTE (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #12
25. I don't know if that's the case either.
I believe that LHO was in the book depository, but I don't know why he was there. Whether he intended to shoot JFK or not, he was definitely a patsy. Family Guy once had a brief clip where they show LHO looking out the depository window and seeing an assassin hiding in the grassy knoll. Right before the clip ends, he says something to the effect that now is his time to shine as he prepares to take out the assassin. I don't believe things happened anything like that, but it goes to show you how he could have been motivated by multiple factors and assassinating the president didn't have to be one of them. I honestly don't know.
As far the video, seems rather cool, but I'm not sure I get it.
Great. Now they are looking to cartoons to back their conspiracy theories. :rotf: :rotf:
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #25
37. He was in the suppository building, his rifle was in the suppository building
And he was as red as a ripe strawberry in May.
He was only in the SUPPOSITORY building seeking relief for those RED hemorrhoids, right?
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6866875
Oh my.
Octafish (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 01:46 PM
Original message
Why would Ann Coulter Lie About Lee Harvey Oswald and then slander MoveOn.org?
The author and tee vee personality was on CNN's Joy Behar show and, of course, she used the occassion to slander Liberals, saying Liberals were always behind political assassinations.
She proclaimed Lee Harvey Oswald guilty of being a "Lefty," working on behalf of Fidel Castro and, by extension, the Soviet Union.
SOURCE: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ann-coulter...
Coulter also said if anything happens to Obama, it'll be the work of MoveOn.org.
Coulter: Lee Harvey Osward tried to move to the Soviet Union. He was on his way to Cuba. He was a communist. You have one after another of all these guys. So it isn’t…it isn’t because Obama is liberal…if something happens to him it’s going to be MoveOn.org.
People who lie about Liberals, peace and history sure seem to get a lot of airtime. Remember Phil Donohue?
Well, now, I thought it was generally known throughout the real world that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Communist sympathizer. He certainly wasn't a John Bircher.
The bonfire, a medium-sized one, is full of primitive slanders against Ann Coulter, so never mind. But one primitive attempts to set the record straight.
paulsby (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 01:53 PM
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5. you are aware that oswald WAS a lefty?
coulter is a putz, and is wrong about a lot, but she is right about oswald
oswald
1) applied for citizenship in the USSR (defected then returned
2) claimed to be a marxist
3) wrote to the socialist league of america, stated he was a marxist, and asked for literature
oswald was seriously #$9$#( in the head, etc. but there is pretty substantial pointers to his politics as being far to the left.
here's an excerpt from wikipedia entry about his time in the USSR...
When Oswald showed up unexpectedly at the United States embassy in Moscow on October 31, he said he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship.<35><36> He told Soviet officials "...that he had been a radar operator in the Marine Corps and that he ... would make known to them such information concerning the Marine Corps and his speciality as he possessed. He intimated that he might know something of special interest."<37> When the Navy Department learned of this, it changed Oswald's Marine Corps discharge from "hardship/honorable" to "undesirable".<38>
John McVickar, one of the American consular officials at the Moscow embassy who was in contact with Oswald, said he felt that Oswald, "...was following a pattern of behavior in which he had been tutored by person or persons unknown ... seemed to be using words which he had learned but did not fully understand ... in short, it seemed to me that there was a possibility that he had been in contact with others before or during his Marine Corps tour who had guided him and encouraged him in his actions."<39>
Marina Prusakova, Minsk 1959 Although Oswald had wanted to remain in Moscow and attend Moscow University, he was sent to Minsk, then the capital of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic and now the capital of Belarus. He was given a job as a metal lathe operator at the Gorizont (Horizon) Electronics Factory in Minsk, a huge facility that produced radios and televisions along with military and space electronic components. He was given a rent-subsidized, fully furnished studio apartment in a prestigious building under Gorizont's administration and in addition to his factory pay received monetary subsidies from the Russian Red Cross Society. This represented an idyllic existence by Soviet-era working-class standards.<40> Oswald was under constant surveillance by the KGB during his thirty-month stay in Minsk.<41>
Oswald gradually grew bored with the limited recreation available in Minsk.<42> He wrote in his diary in January 1961: "I am starting to reconsider my desire about staying. The work is drab, the money I get has nowhere to be spent. No nightclubs or bowling alleys, no places of recreation except the trade union dances. I have had enough."<43> Shortly afterwards, Oswald opened negotiations with the U.S. Embassy in Moscow over his proposed return to the United States.<44>
And then this:
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-27-09 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #25
37. He was in the suppository building, his rifle was in the suppository building
And he was as red as a ripe strawberry in May.
There's something of Freudian significance in the above.
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I don't remember who I saw it from, but the other day I read someone asking a simple question. Why do we need to label Presidential assassins as leftists or rightwingers. Their neither. All they are is crazy.
I find myself agreeing.
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Merged, because franksolich goofed.
I need to pay more attention to our esteemed colleague thundley4.
It happens.
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Wait, my head is spinning. Family Guy? Really? Suppository building? Usually a medicine cabinet is sufficient.
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I remember that Oswald came back and stayed with an (ex) wife... here in Irving... before he killed JFK.
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Suppository building?
Yeah, that's where they kept the REALLY dirty books.
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Yeah, that's where they kept the REALLY dirty books.
A dirty book is seldom dusty.
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I don't remember who I saw it from, but the other day I read someone asking a simple question. Why do we need to label Presidential assassins as leftists or rightwingers. Their neither. All they are is crazy.
I find myself agreeing.
Tell me about one who was to the right? Even back as far as Wilkes Booth. And if they are mostly left maybe there's something to their philosophy that makes them freakin' nuts. What's the big discussion about McVey or Waco? The fact that they're right wing nut cases. Now that we have a very, very left of center dem in the presidency again we have government reports saying there's a rise in right wing extremist groups (yeah like membership in left wing extremist groups declined during the Bush years because they're all so reasonable and stuff). Oh, and lets not forget retired military, why they're ripe for separatist paramilitary extremist recruitment. No bias there...they're all crazy!!! Yeah, maybe they are all nuts, but if they're all nuts and leftist nuts then perhaps, just perhaps one needs to examine WHAT about that philosophy makes them want to shoot the leader of the free world. When the count on the conservative side is equal then we can all have a happy little discussion about kooks on the right and left both trying to kill the president. Frankly, on MY side of the aisle we're constantly accused of it (or the likelihood thereof) without ever having any reason for said accusation.
Cindie
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slackmaster
He was in the suppository building,...
The what building?? Is this where the US gov't was secretly housing the visitors from Uranus?
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The what building?? Is this where the US gov't was secretly housing the visitors from Uranus?
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Supposedly.
They did keep the Roswell aliens at Hangar 18 at the Carswell AFB for a while I think.
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I don't remember who I saw it from, but the other day I read someone asking a simple question. Why do we need to label Presidential assassins as leftists or rightwingers. Their neither. All they are is crazy.
I find myself agreeing.
I always see the "left" and the "right" as terminology of Marxists describing two different extremes of one fatally flawed philosophy. So leftist or righty they are still leftists.
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The Little Goons can take comfort in knowing it was on CNN. No one of any importance at all saw it.
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Tell me about one who was to the right? Even back as far as Wilkes Booth. And if they are mostly left maybe there's something to their philosophy that makes them freakin' nuts. What's the big discussion about McVey or Waco? The fact that they're right wing nut cases. Now that we have a very, very left of center dem in the presidency again we have government reports saying there's a rise in right wing extremist groups (yeah like membership in left wing extremist groups declined during the Bush years because they're all so reasonable and stuff). Oh, and lets not forget retired military, why they're ripe for separatist paramilitary extremist recruitment. No bias there...they're all crazy!!! Yeah, maybe they are all nuts, but if they're all nuts and leftist nuts then perhaps, just perhaps one needs to examine WHAT about that philosophy makes them want to shoot the leader of the free world. When the count on the conservative side is equal then we can all have a happy little discussion about kooks on the right and left both trying to kill the president. Frankly, on MY side of the aisle we're constantly accused of it (or the likelihood thereof) without ever having any reason for said accusation.
Cindie
I guess you completely missed the point of my post...
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I remember that Oswald came back and stayed with an (ex) wife... here in Irving... before he killed JFK.
Oswald, the only DUmmie to ever actually leave the US for a socialist paradice.
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Oswald, the only DUmmie to ever actually leave the US for a socialist paradice.
If he had had internet access in those days, he'd still be in Momma's basement.
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Oswald, the only DUmmie to ever actually leave the US for a socialist paradice.
And just 30 months later wanted to come back to the states...
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Oswald was guilty of NOTHING! NOTHING, I tell you! He had planned to see that movie that afternoon. And Officer Tippit died of natural causes.