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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Alpha Mare on October 24, 2009, 05:33:31 AM
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 02:49 AM
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Can anyone tell me what the benefits of being an American are?....
Edited on Sat Oct-24-09 03:15 AM by Joe the Liberal
The reason I ask is because all these right wing nut-cases who are always flashing their false patriotism in everyone's face come off as though we here in the US have more benefits than everyone else on the face of the earth just because we are citizens here.
They (right wingers) act like somehow we have more "freedoms" than everyone else on the planet and our history and founding should be held in higher esteem than every other nation's history and founding. They act as though our nation is the only one with a constitution and Bill of Rights and that those 2 documents should almost be worshiped.
This got me thinking, what exactly are the benefits of being an American? I mean we have the same shit here that they got in a lot of other developed nations, and in a lot of cases we have less.
I don't see why all these right wingers get all "gung-ho" about the US when all you need to do is look at other western countries and realize that you have pretty much everything they do and sometimes even less. It absolutely drives me nuts when I see all these false patriots acting as though the US is somehow "special" and more important than every other country on the face of the earth when it's not.
LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 02:52 AM
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2. We actually do have a pretty good tradition of free speech.
A lot of European countries have started to chip away at theirs...
Oregone (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 02:55 AM
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5. ...is a shit statement
IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 04:03 AM
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34. Umm... uhh... there's, uh.... I mean, you have this... er... that is...
Nah, I got nothing...
Confusious (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 04:21 AM
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35. The US does have the oldest constitutional form of government
We've been dropping behind ever since.
wuvuj (542 posts) Sat Oct-24-09 05:16 AM
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39. America is great because....
Edited on Sat Oct-24-09 05:18 AM by wuvuj
...we use 5xs the per capita energy as the rest of the world...we have by far the worlds biggest military used to procure that energy....we consume a lot of stuff on borrowed money...we're just really wonderful people....who don't "believe" in global warming...because if we did we couldn't rationally do all of the above?
Americans are really special people who deserve to drive big SUVs...get really big and fat...and live off the labor and resources of other people.
We're just so damned wonderful...I can't stand it.
I'd be happy to show you he way out.
FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 03:22 AM
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21. As an Immigrant who came here from France.....
I can say that this is the only country on earth where you can come here Black and with absolutely nothing in your pockets, get by with your White single mother working as a waitress, marry a Black man raised in the projects and end up with a kid who graduates from Harvard, the best University in the World....who goes on to marry another graduate from Harvard, thereby establishing a family legacy that you'd never even dream would belong in your family.
That's my story, and I do not believe that it would have happened
had we remained in France. So yes, only in America!
Oregone (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 03:36 AM
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27. "this is the only country on earth where you can..."
To be frank, the concept you hint about is commonly referred to as intergenerational mobility, measured by the correlation between income of the same-sex parent. Thats a statistic which tries to put a number on what people call the "American Dream".
In all industrial countries, the US has the lowest rate of mobility, tied with the UK. Canada and Scandinavian countries have the highest.
BTW, in many countries, first generational immigrants have higher rates of mobility. I know most certainly in Canada, where I now reside, they do better than average and attend college at rates higher than non-immigrants.
Thats not the only place that could have happened, except, perhaps minus the "Harvard" part (where it would be another school instead). Congrats on your success. I also beat the odds in America, with heavy subsidizations, before I beat it.
Translation: I left when I couldn't get any more freebies. Stay gone,asswipe.
FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 03:54 AM
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32. Well, for me, it is the only place that it could have happened.....
I'm glad I came to this country, and I do love it.
But after what I witnessed the theft of the 2000 election,
I was never the same since.
That's why I'm so politically active....
cause I want to help perfect this imperfect union,
and make sure that others have the same chance that I was given
in my adopted country.
This country will do just fine without your 'changes'.
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Oh.My.
How about you walk up to a world map, close your eyes and point anywhere. Then go there.
Come back, and after you enthusiastically kiss the tarmac of whatever American airport you land in, you can write us up a follow up as to the million and one reasons why you love America.
What a bunch of putzes.
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(http://www.french-at-a-touch.com/Statue_of_Liberty/Rt_side_of_Statute_of_Liberty.jpg)
History is completely lost on the entitlement crowd.
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It's a shame they can't go back and ask their immigrant ancestors. Jeez what a bunch of ungrateful a-holes.
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Dear DUmmies,
Fear not, you have options.
1. Get the **** out.
2. Kill yourselves.
The United States was founded on the shocking new principle that rational man should be able to achieve his own ends and destiny via free trade with other rational men, unfettered by government. Another shocking new principle that is the foundation of the United States is the idea that the government is answerable to the people. You fools would understand these simple, basic concepts if you were to actually read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. You know, those documents you think every country has so they're probably all the same, right?
I've lived and traveled all over the world. There's a lot of cool stuff out there to see and do, lots of history and culture everywhere. Go do it. If you still think living in the United States isn't the best possible option available, well, stay gone please.
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 02:49 AM
Original message
Can anyone tell me what the benefits of being an American are?....
If you have to ask...
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Be all that you can be.......or as sorry as you want to be.
With apologies to the US Army recruiting ads.
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LINK??????????
ETA: ever try to find a thread over at the island without a stinkin' link? Please, please, please, include a link to the thread when posting!!!!!!!!!!
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LINK??????????
:thatsright:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6846300#
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Prometheus Bound (623 posts) Sat Oct-24-09 03:22 AM
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20. I live in China and nothing would make me move to the US.
I love traveling in your beautiful country and have met many wonderful people there, but I would never live there.
I really don't think anything more needs to be said here.
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:thatsright:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6846300#
Thanx! I wanted to forward this crap to my "RedNeck" Buds!!! Oh and Rush, heh, heh!
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Jeez, what shitbags.
I'm tempted to go over there and ask Joe why he hates America. :rotf:
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Whats really sad is our so called president shares the exact same view of America that these goons do.
The USA may not be perfect but we have been a pretty damn good country up until Obama has started our destruction.
I am in mourning while our country slowly dies and our freedoms are being stripped away bit by bit while so many cheer.
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One thing that is so great about America is that it pioneered the Internet and allows places like the DUmp to exist without persecution.
They should be thankful for that because France never would have done it nor any other Euro socialist postage stamp of a country that curses us in one breath and begs our protection of their freedoms in the next.
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Spoken by someone that has never left the USA.
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Jeez, what shitbags.
That is the best response and description of them.
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What's so great about America ?
Lets start with the fact she doesn't kick your DUmmie asses out and make you live in the 3rd world tinpot dictatorships that you admire so much or put you up on the wall and offer you a blindfold.
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 02:52 AM
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2. We actually do have a pretty good tradition of free speech.
A lot of European countries have started to chip away at theirs...
Oregone (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-24-09 02:55 AM
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5. ...is a shit statement
They have a lot of free speech curbs in Europe, that ain't chipping. Thats dynamite blasts in a quarry. The US has chipping against free speech.
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I wonder how many of these so called people are bitching about how bad America is has to do with the fact that they can't get away with shit here that they can do overseas?
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This. This is what's so great about America.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/1025.jpg)
(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00020/Iraq_8_20344s.jpg)
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Thank you, ColonialMarine. This thread had me feeling shitty and near-tears and in hate for certain of my fellow man, then your post really did bring the tears.
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I thought they were upset over all the Walmart/Target/Hailburton Re-education and Detainment Centers started under Bush....
Funny how we haven't heard a peep about them since Zero has the White House.... :whatever: