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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Splashdown on October 23, 2009, 07:15:18 AM
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Dad shoots teen having sex with daughter
Updated: Friday, 16 Oct 2009, 6:05 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 15 Oct 2009, 11:03 PM EDT
APOPKA, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - An Apopka man is behind bars after shooting an 18-year-old he caught having sex with his 16-year-old stepdaughter. Wade Edwards, 41, was arrested and charged with second degree attempted murder.
According to an Apopka Police report, officers responded to the Emerson Park subdivision off of Rafton Road shortly before 3 p.m. on Thursday, after two 911 calls were received reporting the shooting.
The second 911 call was placed by Edwards, who told the dispatcher that he had just shot someone inside his house. When officers arrived at the residence, they found victim Juilian Harp in the grass in front of the home.
The stepdaughter told police that the two were having consensual sex when her stepfather entered the room. She said Edwards left to retrieve a gun and shot at Harp as he was leaving. However, Edwards told police that Harp "pounced" at him, and because he did not know Harp, he was afraid and shot at him in self-defense.
Harp's injuries are non life-threatening and he is in stable condition at Orlando Regional Medical Center.
linky (http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/dpgo_101509_Dad_shoots_teen_having_sex_with_daughter_4069063?obref=obinsite)
Sorry. I'm on the dad's side.
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Wasn't there a similar story, but it happened in the middle of the night, a couple of months ago?
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By definition, the girl was being raped. I'd shoot the young man too.
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By definition, the girl was being raped. I'd shoot the young man too.
Yup. It's not so "consensual" when she's legally not in a position to make that decision.
The punk is stupid on so many levels he deserved to be shot. Getting a shot of illegal leg is one thing, but to be doing that shit inside the man's house is monumentally stupid.
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Yup. It's not so "consensual" when she's legally not in a position to make that decision.
The punk is stupid on so many levels he deserved to be shot. Getting a shot of illegal leg is one thing, but to be doing that shit inside the man's house is monumentally stupid.
When the little head is doing the thinking.....LOOKOUT.
And the girls don't even have the advantage of having a 'little head'.
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When the little head is doing the thinking.....LOOKOUT.
And the girls don't even have the advantage of having a 'little head'.
What about the "little man in the boat" ?
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By definition, the girl was being raped. I'd shoot the young man too.
what's age of consent?
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I know where Apopka is. Redneckville(and I'm not saying that in a bad way)! This kid shoulda known any dad there would be packing heat and wouldn't be afraid to shoot at his a$$ if found in a position like this with a man's daughter(step or otherwise). I'm surprised Apopka police even arrested the dad to be honest. This is one of the hazards of 'young love' in a place like Apopka, Florida. :lmao:
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what's age of consent?
18 in most areas, and if it was my daugher, 30.
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OK. So......... what's the crime?
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OK. So......... what's the crime?
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Bad aim? :-)
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18 in most areas, and if it was my daugher, 30.
IIRC, I'm pretty damned sure it's 16 in MN - and many states. But many states also have an age-difference law. So an 18 year old sleeping with a 16 year old would be legal, a 25 year old w/ a 16 year old would not.
I see no crime other than the father's, frankly. Let's not forget that it takes two to tango.
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I don't think the daughter's name is on the deed to the property, so the only people deciding when, where, and with whom sex is occurring on the property would be the mother and father. I get the impression the boyfriend and father have butted heads before. Something along the lines of, "if I catch you with my daughter alone in her room again, I swear I'll kill you."
But...if the boy was running away and was unarmed, the father is in a load of trouble.
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IIRC, I'm pretty damned sure it's 16 in MN - and many states. But many states also have an age-difference law. So an 18 year old sleeping with a 16 year old would be legal, a 25 year old w/ a 16 year old would not.
I see no crime other than the father's, frankly. Let's not forget that it takes two to tango.
The age of consent in Florida is 18, although the laws are somewhat vague.
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For the record:
Florida
The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits a person 23 years of age or younger to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17.
794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose Florida code, Title XLVI, Chapter 794
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Florida
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I suppose the father should ask for ID before deciding to shoot the kid first...or can he assume his daugher is being raped at the age of 16?
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For the record:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Florida
Ya barely beat me to it
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I'm accusing nobody of any crime, Lug-Nut. I'm just saying that if the law states that 16 is age of consent and the daughter says it's consentual, then no crime was committed - no "rape rape" was committed, so the father was out of line.
I'd much rather see a world where teenager's weren't having sex or making dumb-ass decisions, but when our leaders do, it's hard to expect our teens not to. So if the teen and boyfriend were w/in the law, how can someone cry rape?
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I'm accusing nobody of any crime, Lug-Nut. I'm just saying that if the law states that 16 is age of consent and the daughter says it's consentual, then no crime was committed - no "rape rape" was committed, so the father was out of line.
I'd much rather see a world where teenager's weren't having sex or making dumb-ass decisions, but when our leaders do, it's hard to expect our teens not to. So if the teen and boyfriend were w/in the law, how can someone cry rape?
So you'd be okay with the father being required to check ID before reacting otherwise?
Not me. I'd think the most violent act possible was being committed against my daughter and act accordingly.
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So you'd be okay with the father being required to check ID before reacting otherwise?
Not me. I'd think the most violent act possible was being committed against my daughter and act accordingly.
You make a good point here. In reality, the father doesn't even have to claim self-defense. The guy was in his house having sex (possibly raping, from the father's perspective) with his daughter. He doesn't need to be armed because he's already crossed the threshold. It gets sticky if the victim can establish that he was fleeing and oustide of the home when he was shot, but I'm guessing any jury would be sympathetic to the father.
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Before y'all get in an argument over father's rights....
The girl was really stupid to be having sex in her parents house where she could be caught by her parents.
There is also something in some states that has to do with the age difference between consenting underage parties...it's usually 2-3 years difference.
While technically it could be cited as statutory rape....the girl was consenting...so even if the parents press charges...most juries - if it even got that far, which is doubtful - once they learn the girl was consenting are not going to sentence a boy 2 years older for rape.
I would venture a guess that there are more sexually active 16 year old girls than non-sexually active 16 year old girls. Remember a BJ is not considered sex to most kids.
Finally ....and most importantly....someone said this happened in a "redneck" area in Florida. Did anyone look at the article. There's a picture of the boy. He's black.
Need I say more?
Oh yeah....one other thing...
This was the girl's step-father.....red-neck Florida.....hmmmmm.......
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I appreciate all y'all's opinion here, but I have a question for you. Now, before I ask, I will say I do not condone the behavior of either the 16 year old, or the 18 year old. But, well, did any of you engage in any uh, well, sexual relations by 18 or before? And, well, if you did, did you maybe, perhaps engage in said relations with someone that might be a grade behind you in school? Of course, I don't need to ask if you engaged in any such behavior in a young woman's house, because, well, we know how that would end up. Just asking. :stirpot:
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So you'd be okay with the father being required to check ID before reacting otherwise?
Not me. I'd think the most violent act possible was being committed against my daughter and act accordingly.
I don't have kids, so I'm not nearly as close to this issue as many of you are to this, so please excuse my insensitivity.
But if your 16 year old is having sex w/ her boyfriend and tells you it's consentual, as you going to assume it's rape?
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I don't have kids, so I'm not nearly as close to this issue as many of you are to this, so please excuse my insensitivity.
But if your 16 year old is having sex w/ her boyfriend and tells you it's consentual, as you going to assume it's rape?
Ah, Dad's supposed to ask first?...then confirm his identity and age?
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I'm accusing nobody of any crime, Lug-Nut. I'm just saying that if the law states that 16 is age of consent and the daughter says it's consentual, then no crime was committed - no "rape rape" was committed, so the father was out of line.
I'd much rather see a world where teenager's weren't having sex or making dumb-ass decisions, but when our leaders do, it's hard to expect our teens not to. So if the teen and boyfriend were w/in the law, how can someone cry rape?
Umm, the guy was still trespassing and as far as I know that is a crime. The father still had a right to run the boy out of his home even if you put the consensual sex and gun in the scenario aside. If the kid attacked the father to boot, then, well...I'm afraid the young man is sol too.
I think the rape thing is a seperate issue altogether. I do think some families manipulate those laws in order to protect their daughter's reputation or she manipulates to protect her own. Not sure how you seperate those cases from the legit ones. I also do believe some girls really aren't up to giving 'consent' yet, but it's probably a family counseling issue then one involving rape charges. Maybe counseling on the boys side too so he understands he shouldn't take the decision to sleep with someone so lightly. As someone else said, it's a double-headed issue(no pun intented).
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Ah, Dad's supposed to ask first?...then confirm his identity and age?
Is a man supposed to shoot first?
I'm all for self defense and the castle doctrine, but this step-father is out of line. No crime committed by the teens. Is there still innocent until proven guilty in this country?
Outside of the letter of the law, what's the difference between a 23 and 24 year old? Only common denominator is the teenager choosing to have consentual sex with a person the father doesn't approve of.
There's a lot of missing info. Too much for me to be willing to say pulling the trigger was the right course of action.
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Is a man supposed to shoot first?
I'm all for self defense and the castle doctrine, but this step-father is out of line. No crime committed by the teens. Is there still innocent until proven guilty in this country?
Outside of the letter of the law, what's the difference between a 23 and 24 year old? Only common denominator is the teenager choosing to have consentual sex with a person the father doesn't approve of.
There's a lot of missing info. Too much for me to be willing to say pulling the trigger was the right course of action.
Turn this around folks, say the 16 year old was a male and dad caught a 35 year old Chicken Hawk in the room having sex with the kid. I am sure some one will be if not shot then punched in the nose.
While we argue over age of concent there are movers and shakers out there that want to change the age of concent to 8 years old.
In this case the stepdaughter had best put that little man in the boat into dry dock for a few years.
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But wait! There is more.....
APOPKA, Fla. -- An Apopka man accused of shooting a teen that he caught having sex with his stepdaughter will not be allowed to bond out of jail. Wade Edwards is facing second-degree attempted murder charges after he caught the couple in the act.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21311214/detail.html
No bond, due to violent past.
Boy shot 4 times below the belt, in the yard and street.
Girl and Boy have been dating for over a year.
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what's age of consent?
if she is old enough to do it, she is old enough to move out.
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18 in most areas, and if it was my daugher, 30.
I believe it's 16 in about an equal number of places as 18, and even in a lot of the '18' states it's not criminal if her partner's within 3 years of her own age.
There is no way in Hell protecting one teenager's totally nonexistent 'virtue' is worth another teenager's life.
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To me this isn't even about what the law says is OK and what isn't. The 18 yr old is having sex with his 16 yr old daughter. Kid's lucky he's not dead. What the law says and does is what the law says and does, but I'm going to have a hard time having any sympathy towards some 18 yr old boy who hasn't thought about "If I do this, her Dad might kill me," or worse he has thought it through and figured it was worth taking the chance of dying. Sounds like the boy's frontal lobe isn't quite developed. Perfect candidate for a citizen in Obamaworld: The immaturity of doing first and considering the consequences later after it's too late.
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The age of consent in Florida is 18, although the laws are somewhat vague.
Florida's laws have a "close in age" exemption. If your under 24 it's legal down to 16. Older then 24, they've gotta be 18. I'm quite familiar with this law, because I was in a relationship with a 17 year old while I was 19, and wanted to make very sure I wasn't breaking any laws.
The 18 year old was breaking no laws.
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But wait! There is more.....
APOPKA, Fla. -- An Apopka man accused of shooting a teen that he caught having sex with his stepdaughter will not be allowed to bond out of jail. Wade Edwards is facing second-degree attempted murder charges after he caught the couple in the act.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21311214/detail.html
No bond, due to violent past.
Boy shot 4 times below the belt, in the yard and street.
Girl and Boy have been dating for over a year.
This changes everything if true. You simply cannot follow someone out of your house and shoot them in the street and then claim self-defense. This father is truly ****ed, and imho, rightfully so.
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Florida's laws have a "close in age" exemption. If your under 24 it's legal down to 16. Older then 24, they've gotta be 18. I'm quite familiar with this law, because I was in a relationship with a 17 year old while I was 19, and wanted to make very sure I wasn't breaking any laws.
The 18 year old was breaking no laws.
except trespassing... *cough*
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So you'd be okay with the father being required to check ID before reacting otherwise?
Not me. I'd think the most violent act possible was being committed against my daughter and act accordingly.
So if you had an 18 y/o son, and he was killed when he was having sex with a lady who consented...you'd have no issue with this killing?
While what they cleary did was was wrong....his reaction was over-kill, no pun.
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Is a man supposed to shoot first?
I supposed he could have just had a nice conversation with the kid. :whatever:
I'm all for self defense and the castle doctrine, but this step-father is out of line. No crime committed by the teens. Is there still innocent until proven guilty in this country?
Once again, is he required to ask for ID and proof of age to determine that, or can he act in the defense of his 16 yr old daughter first?...ask questions later?
Outside of the letter of the law, what's the difference between a 23 and 24 year old? Only common denominator is the teenager choosing to have consentual sex with a person the father doesn't approve of.
You assume the father knew in advance that it was consentual.
There's a lot of missing info. Too much for me to be willing to say pulling the trigger was the right course of action.
...or the wrong course of action at the time.
As is shown in further information, he shot the kid outside, probably as he was trying to get away. Though I understand his motivation, that is where he went too far...then again, he must be a lousy shot. Were it me in that situation, the kid would not be able to get to the street on his own, and I probably would not need a firearm at that point.
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So if you had an 18 y/o son, and he was killed when he was having sex with a lady who consented...you'd have no issue with this killing?
If I knew the father knew in advance that the sex was consentual, yes.
BTW, the kid was not killed.
While what they cleary did was was wrong....his reaction was over-kill, no pun.
Shooting him repeatedly as he tried to get away, yes he should have stopped.
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I supposed he could have just had a nice conversation with the kid. :whatever:Once again, is he required to ask for ID and proof of age to determine that, or can he act in the defense of his 16 yr old daughter first?...ask questions later?
You assume the father knew in advance that it was consentual.
...or the wrong course of action at the time.
As is shown in further information, he shot the kid outside, probably as he was trying to get away. Though I understand his motivation, that is where he went too far...then again, he must be a lousy shot. Were it me in that situation, the kid would not be able to get to the street on his own, and I probably would not need a firearm at that point.
The article says they have been dating a year.
Shouldn't the stepfather have known what the kid looked like?
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The article says they have been dating a year.
Shouldn't the stepfather have known what the kid looked like?
One would certainly think so...could have been in a dark room too. He could have assumed the worst...or he could have been looking for an excuse to "off" the kid he didn't like anyway.
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One would certainly think so...could have been in a dark room too. He could have assumed the worst...or he could have been looking for an excuse to "off" the kid he didn't like anyway.
bingo
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Yup. It's not so "consensual" when she's legally not in a position to make that decision.
I disagree. She was 16, he was 18. Both are HS age. We're talking 2 years here. Hell, there's 3 and a half between my wife and I. I dated a 15 Y/O when I was 17. I was a Senior and she was a Sophomore. When in the Damn HELL did that become wrong? Sex at that age wrong? Fine. I accept that. An offense punishable by death? Good God.
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linky (http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/dpgo_101509_Dad_shoots_teen_having_sex_with_daughter_4069063?obref=obinsite)
Sorry. I'm on the dad's side.
As am I.
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The father should be prosecuted and jailed.
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I disagree. She was 16, he was 18. Both are HS age. We're talking 2 years here. Hell, there's 3 and a half between my wife and I. I dated a 15 Y/O when I was 17. I was a Senior and she was a Sophomore. When in the Damn HELL did that become wrong? Sex at that age wrong? Fine. I accept that. An offense punishable by death? Good God.
Do you have any teenage daughters?
If so, it's ok with you if they have sex with older men?
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The father should be prosecuted and jailed.
He should be given a medal.
:popcorn:
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This changes everything if true. You simply cannot follow someone out of your house and shoot them in the street and then claim self-defense. This father is truly ****ed, and imho, rightfully so.
Eyewitnesses apparently. Shot 4 times, all outside the house. Dude has a violent history. Do not misunderstand that I am condoning teen sex, and do not misunderstand that I don't believe a person should be persecuted for protecting his/her family, in his/her house, but things aren't adding up here. They have been dating a year? No problems before? Something ain't right. The age difference could be that of one grade.
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Anybody watch the video?
I just watched it. The girl's family lives in a very very nice neighborhood.
Did you happen to notice the houses behind the brother?
Maybe daddy didn't like the type of boy the daughter was hanging with.....
As far as the age difference....I was 17 my whole first semester of college. I didn't date anyone my age, because everyone was older.
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I disagree. She was 16, he was 18. Both are HS age. We're talking 2 years here. Hell, there's 3 and a half between my wife and I. I dated a 15 Y/O when I was 17. I was a Senior and she was a Sophomore. When in the Damn HELL did that become wrong? Sex at that age wrong? Fine. I accept that. An offense punishable by death? Good God.
Rebel, when we were kids, would we have ever dared to have sex with a teenage girl in her father's house?
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Rebel, when we were kids, would we have ever dared to have sex with a teenage girl in her father's house?
I wouldn't. But I am a bit older than some here, and younger than others.
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Rebel, when we were kids, would we have ever dared to have sex with a teenage girl in her father's house?
Of course not. And I would never dare to invite a boy over for that purpose. But it happens. Shoot. Now, mind you, I do not have children, BUT, I double dog dare everyone to look into their hearts and remember when it was that you had the S word. I would hazard a guess that a good majority were the ages of these kids. It isn't illegal, but it isn't right, and it still happens.
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Do you have any teenage daughters?
If so, it's ok with you if they have sex with older men?
Do you have a teenage son? You would okay with your SON being shot by a father. Maybe he deserved an ass-kicking for having NO manner and sexing her in her parent's home...but SHOT?? y'all have got to be kidding me!
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Do you have a teenage son? You would okay with your SON being shot by a father. Maybe he deserved an ass-kicking for having NO manner and sexing her in her parent's home...but SHOT?? y'all have got to be kidding me!
Excellent point.
Beyond that, the father followed the boy into the street and shot him. I really don't care at all about your opinion of teenage sex; that shit is just plain wrong by any measure.
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Do you have a teenage son? You would okay with your SON being shot by a father. Maybe he deserved an ass-kicking for having NO manner and sexing her in her parent's home...but SHOT?? y'all have got to be kidding me!
Agreed.
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BTW...I have a daughter...and if I caught her and her teenage boyfriend having sex in my home...she would be grounded for a year and he would no longer be welcome in my house.
They are both teenagers...making bad choices. Now if anyone ever tried to molest my child...then yeah, he'd get shot, right between the eyes.
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Do you have any teenage daughters?
If so, it's ok with you if they have sex with older men?
Older men? Are you ****ing serious? He's 18 f'n years old and the girl is 16. Jesus Christ people, they're high schoolers.
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As far as the age difference....I was 17 my whole first semester of college. I didn't date anyone my age, because everyone was older.
Yeah, according to some of these dipshits, your boyfriends should have been shot. :whatever:
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Excellent point.
Beyond that, the father followed the boy into the street and shot him. I really don't care at all about your opinion of teenage sex; that shit is just plain wrong by any measure.
Agreed.
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Rebel, when we were kids, would we have ever dared to have sex with a teenage girl in her father's house?
Yeah, you're right, he DESERVED to be killed. **** that dude. ::)
Yes, I've had sex in my girlfriend's house when I was younger. Man, I should have been shot for that, right?
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Yeah, you're right, he DESERVED to be killed. **** that dude. ::)
Yes, I've had sex in my girlfriend's house when I was younger. Man, I should have been shot for that, right?
Well, if that had happened with me, I guess my ex-hubby woulda been shot. Hmmmmm. Maybe I need to rethink that? :thatsright:
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Older men? Are you ****ing serious? He's 18 f'n years old and the girl is 16. Jesus Christ people, they're high schoolers.
At what age would you draw the line? If he was 20, 22, 26 and she was 16?
He is a legal adult. Should he have been shot? Not really, I was stirring the pot a little early.
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At what age would you draw the line? If he was 20, 22, 26 and she was 16?
He is a legal adult. Should he have been shot? Not really, I was stirring the pot a little early.
According to the state of FL, that line is 24.
And to whomever was asking (lugnut IIRC) if the father should have gotten ID before pulling the trigger, hell yes. Not literally had the kid pull out a driver's license, but telling him "get off my daughter or I shoot" would have done a pretty good job of breaking them apart until his intentions could be ascertained. What this man did is vigilantism, especially if he followed the kid out the door and shot him multiple times while he was in the street. He deserves to be locked up.
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Who cares what the law says?
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BTW...I have a daughter...and if I caught her and her teenage boyfriend having sex in my home...she would be grounded for a year and he would no longer be welcome in my house.
They are both teenagers...making bad choices. Now if anyone ever tried to molest my child...then yeah, he'd get shot, right between the eyes.
I have a daughter and a son. I walked in on my son and his girlfried when they were seniors in HS...he was 18, she was 17....5 minutes later and I would have been horrified...as it was I was just really pissed!!!! They weren't even in his room but on the family room couch!!! ewwwww!
He apologized...she didn't. He was living with his father at the time. I took away his key...and she was never welcome in my house again.
Before my daughter moved in with her fiance....he did stay here some. She was 26 at the time. We have an apartment over the garage and that's where she was living.
Me...heck ...I was never dumb enough to have sex in my dad's house! (I wasn't doing the wild thing in high school either) I didn't have a death wish....because he would have killed me, and probably let the guy go. ::)
My little brother is 15 years younger than me....he dated an 18yo girl when he was 15...my dad thought that was great.
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This changes everything if true. You simply cannot follow someone out of your house and shoot them in the street and then claim self-defense. This father is truly ****ed, and imho, rightfully so.
Now that this story has unfolded a bit, I have to recant my original statement - that the dumbass kid was so monumentally stupid that he should've been shot.
In retrospect, it's not a crime to be stupid. The kid should've gotten his ass beaten, but he shouldn't have been shot when he was doing everything he could do to leave the house.
I can understand the stepfather's rage - I won't go into details, but I can understand that.
But in my situation, while I was armed, I elected not to use the firearm. That worked best all around, I think.
And since the stepfather has a history of violence of any sort, well, there's a history there.
I think "murder" is a pretty strong charge, however. Assault with a deadly weapon might be more appropriate, but I'm no lawyer. Maybe they'll plea it down to ADW.
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should have used a taser.
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If my dad ever walked in on me at any age no matter who the boy or man was there would have been hell to pay on both of our parts.
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According to the state of FL, that line is 24.
And to whomever was asking (lugnut IIRC) if the father should have gotten ID before pulling the trigger, hell yes. Not literally had the kid pull out a driver's license, but telling him "get off my daughter or I shoot" would have done a pretty good job of breaking them apart until his intentions could be ascertained. What this man did is vigilantism, especially if he followed the kid out the door and shot him multiple times while he was in the street. He deserves to be locked up.
Given a lack of details about what exactly happened when the man found them, we can't really say if what he did at that point was right or not. There are many situations where shooting first and asking questions later is appropriate. Shooting the kid as he tried to escape is not one of them.