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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: TheSarge on October 23, 2009, 07:05:46 AM
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Just when you thought the White House couldn't possibly do anything to make their bizarre feud with the Fox News Channel an even larger spectacle - the administration manages to take it to another level.
Over the past two weeks, three White House officials have publicly criticized the Fox News Channel by denigrating its status as a news outlet - White House Communications Director Anita Dunn, Senior Advisor David Axelrod and Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. And even the president himself commented on his opinion of Fox News. However, that pales in comparison to the latest petty stunt.
On the Oct. 22 broadcast of Fox News Channel's "Special Report," host Bret Baier revealed a White House pool announcement was offering Kenneth Feinberg, the "Special Master for Compensation," better known as the White House "pay czar" for interviews - all except for one network - Fox News.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/10/22/escalation-administration-attempts-exclude-fox-news-white-house-pool
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I was surprised that the other networks stood up to the WH and refused the interview unless Fox was included.
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I was surprised that the other networks stood up to the WH and refused the interview unless Fox was included.
That makes two of us.
I am dumbfounded about this whole effort by the WH to try and obliterate an established news organization like Fox.
I've never seen anything like it in my entire life. This makes Nixon's "enemies list" look like child's play.
This administration is truly pandering to the nuttiest of the netroots at Kos and teh DUmp on this one.
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Imagine the uproar if President Bush had booted CNN from the WH.
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Ya'll forget, "I won. I'm king of the world."....Obama
so I added a little bit....but it's true.
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I think this is just a simple ploy for the simple minded left. His overall ratings have been dropping among almost categories of voters. What better way to boost them, at least on the left, by attacking someone that most on the left hate, Fox News. We saw the same thing with Rush Limbaugh, then Glenn Beck, now he must really be fearing the polls to go after an entire network.
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I think this is just a simple ploy for the simple minded left. His overall ratings have been dropping among almost categories of voters. What better way to boost them, at least on the left, by attacking someone that most on the left hate, Fox News. We saw the same thing with Rush Limbaugh, then Glenn Beck, now he must really be fearing the polls to go after an entire network.
Liberals' goals have been to silence the opposition since Teh Wun began his rule. Of course before that, dissent was patriotic.
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This is even worse when Silky Pony Edwards wouldn't debate on Fox. What's the matter O? What are you afraid of if they aren't a legitimate news organization?
:whatever:
I'm glad they stepping in their collective cranks so early in the Administration. Go ahead, keep showing us your hubris.
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Here is what Krauthammer had to say. To me it is right on target.....
Subject: FW: Fox Wars by Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- Rahm Emanuel once sent a dead fish to a live pollster. Now he's put a horse's head in Roger Ailes' bed.
Not very subtle. And not very smart. Ailes doesn't scare easily.
The White House has declared war on Fox News. White House communications director Anita Dunn said that Fox is "opinion journalism masquerading as news." Patting rival networks on the head for their authenticity (read: docility), senior adviser David Axelrod declared Fox "not really a news station." And Chief of Staff Emanuel told (warned?) the other networks not to "be led (by) and following Fox."
Meaning? If Fox runs a story critical of the administration -- from exposing White House czar Van Jones as a loony 9/11 "truther" to exhaustively examining the mathematical chicanery and hidden loopholes in proposed health care legislation -- the other news organizations should think twice before following the lead.
The signal to corporations is equally clear: You might have dealings with a federal behemoth that not only disburses more than $3 trillion every year but is extending its reach ever deeper into private industry -- finance, autos, soon health care and energy. Think twice before you run an ad on Fox.
At first, there was little reaction from other media. Then on Thursday, the administration tried to make them complicit in an actual boycott of Fox. The Treasury Department made available Ken Feinberg, the executive pay czar, for interviews with the White House "pool" news organizations -- except Fox. The other networks admirably refused, saying they would not interview Feinberg unless Fox was permitted to as well. The administration backed down.
This was an important defeat because there's a principle at stake here. While government can and should debate and criticize opposition voices, the current White House goes beyond that. It wants to delegitimize any significant dissent. The objective is no secret. White House aides openly told Politico that they're engaged in a deliberate campaign to marginalize and ostracize recalcitrants, from Fox to health insurers to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
There's nothing illegal about such search-and-destroy tactics. Nor unconstitutional. But our politics are defined not just by limits of legality or constitutionality. We have norms, Madisonian norms.
Madison argued that the safety of a great republic, its defense against tyranny, requires the contest between factions or interests. His insight was to understand "the greater security afforded by a greater variety of parties." They would help guarantee liberty by checking and balancing and restraining each other -- and an otherwise imperious government.
Factions should compete, but also recognize the legitimacy of other factions and, indeed, their necessity for a vigorous self-regulating democracy. Seeking to deliberately undermine, delegitimize and destroy is not Madisonian. It is Nixonian.
But didn't Teddy Roosevelt try to destroy the trusts? Of course, but what he took down was monopoly power that was extinguishing smaller independent competing interests. Fox News is no monopoly. It is a singular minority in a sea of liberal media. ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC vs. Fox. The lineup is so unbalanced as to be comical -- and that doesn't even include the other commanding heights of the culture that are firmly, flagrantly liberal: Hollywood, the foundations, the universities, the elite newspapers.
Fox and its viewers (numbering more than CNN's and MSNBC's combined) need no defense. Defend Fox compared to whom? To CNN -- which recently unleashed its fact-checkers on a "Saturday Night Live" skit mildly critical of President Obama, but did no checking of a grotesquely racist remark CNN falsely attributed to Rush Limbaugh?
Defend Fox from whom? Fox's flagship 6 o'clock evening news out of Washington (hosted by Bret Baier, formerly by Brit Hume) is, to my mind, the best hour of news on television. (Definitive evidence: My mother watches it even on the odd night when I'm not on.) Defend Fox from the likes of Anita Dunn? She's been attacked for extolling Mao's political philosophy in a speech at a high school graduation. But the critics miss the surpassing stupidity of her larger point: She was invoking Mao as support and authority for her impassioned plea for individuality and trusting one's own choices. Mao as champion of individuality? Mao, the greatest imposer of mass uniformity in modern history, creator of a slave society of a near-billion worker bees wearing Mao suits and waving the Little Red Book?
The White House communications director cannot be trusted to address high schoolers without uttering inanities. She and her cohorts are now to instruct the country on truth and objectivity?
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Excellent article 5412. I like Krauthammer.
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And had Bush even DREAMED of pulling 1/10th of this crap, the leftards would have been even more apoplectic then they were.
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Get ready for the ObamaNewsNetwork.
I wonder if he is trying to send a message telling them to toe the line and report what he wants or prepare to be for all practical purposes nationalized.
The Communist tendencies of this administration are frightening.
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Get ready for the ObamaNewsNetwork.
I wonder if he is trying to send a message telling them to toe the line and report what he wants or prepare to be for all practical purposes nationalized.
The Communist tendencies of this administration are frightening.
Indeed. It's hard to imagine how complacent the nation has become when people like Anita Dunn say what they say.
That she hasn't been thrown under the bus is a very chilling reminder of how correct she is in describing the manner in which Lord Zero's image has been created.
LZ and his minions truly believe that the voters are 'tards. No other way to put it.
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If only Obama would get tough with Iran and Russia instead of Fox. :whatever:
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If only Obama would get tough with Iran and Russia instead of Fox. :whatever:
He's too busy apologizing to do that. And Hillary has been snookered vis a vis Iran and their "right to nuclear power." :whatever:
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Hell, I'd be mad as hell at that fake news organization, too. Remember when those guys at Fox News faked army documents claiming the president didn't actually serve in the National Guard?
Oh wait...
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We saw the same thing with Rush Limbaugh, then Glenn Beck, now he must really be fearing the polls to go after an entire network.
The funny part is, they crashed and burned on both attacks. What is the brain damage driving this latest attack? Well, other than the fact that liberal failures are actually wins.
Only the truly insane would continue to do the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.
On second thought......
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Obama's gotta keep his lunatic fringe base on Huff-n-Puff, DailyKo(ok)s and the DUmp happy.
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Obama's gotta keep his lunatic fringe base on Huff-n-Puff, DailyKo(ok)s and the DUmp happy.
The thing is, he ran as a "uniter," not as a "divider." The only ones who respond positively to this kind of attack are the lunatic fringe. He's uniting moderates to Republicans, IMO. Now if the Republican Party would remember what got them into power in 1980 and 1994, they'd stop being Democrat Lite.
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And had Bush even DREAMED of pulling 1/10th of this crap, the leftards would have been even more apoplectic then they were.
The MSM got their panties in a twist when Ari Fleicher questioned whether a columnist like Hellen Thomas should still be on the front row...went apoplectic when Ari said something about how the media acted during the Billy Jeff Years and covered the dust up that Tony Snow had with David Gregory for what? Two days or something like that?
Their selective outrage is pathetic and transpearent. The ONLY reason they stood up for Fox this time is that they have a legitimate fear for their own job security.
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I seem to remember an old axiom dating back to the glory days of newspaper publishing that the Obama administration would likely be wise to remember.........
"........It's never a good idea to pick a fight with someone that buys ink by the barrel........"
doc
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Wait a mintine. I thought he wanted to "reach across the aisle" and we all be friends and :kumbaya:
Was he LYING???!!!! :confused: Or does he only want to "work with" people that hates Christians, wants to free terrorists, and wants to kill our elderly and the unborn?
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Wait a mintine. I thought he wanted to "reach across the aisle" and we all be friends and :kumbaya:
Was he LYING???!!!! :confused: Or does he only want to "work with" people that hates Christians, wants to free terrorists, and wants to kill our elderly and the unborn?
One of McCain's best (or only good) statements in his campaign - I paraphrase - "My friends, you can't reach across the isle when you're that far to the left!"
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White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview
The Obama administration on Thursday failed in its attempt to manipulate other news networks into isolating and excluding Fox News, as Republicans on Capitol Hill stepped up their criticism of the hardball tactics employed by the White House.
The Obama administration on Thursday tried to make "pay czar" Kenneth Feinberg available for interviews to every member of the White House pool except Fox News. The pool is the five-network rotation that for decades has shared the costs and duties of daily coverage of the presidency.
But the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.
The administration relented, making Feinberg available for all five pool members and Bloomberg TV.
The pushback came after White House senior adviser David Axelrod told ABC News' "This Week" on Sunday that Fox News is not a real news organization and other news networks "ought not to treat them that way."
MORE (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/23/white-house-loses-bid-exclude-fox-news-pay-czar-interview/)
Gotta love those first 3 words. :-)
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Wow. Just wow.
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The thing is, he ran as a "uniter," not as a "divider." The only ones who respond positively to this kind of attack are the lunatic fringe. He's uniting moderates to Republicans, IMO. Now if the Republican Party would remember what got them into power in 1980 and 1994, they'd stop being Democrat Lite.
Truer words neighbor....truer words!
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Their selective outrage is pathetic and transpearent. The ONLY reason they stood up for Fox this time is that they have a legitimate fear for their own job security.
Was thinking the same thing.
"First they came for Fox News, and I did not speak out, because I wasn't on Fox..."
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Was thinking the same thing.
"First they came for Fox News, and I did not speak out, because I wasn't on Fox..."
Expanding.....once the precedent is set, and at some point a Republican is in the White House.....they will be fair game as well.......what goes around comes around.......
doc
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Well, actually, was thinking more along the lines of, "if we (the MSM) give in to this, how long until they start writing our stories for us? How long after that til they nationalize us?". I don't give them credit for seeing what goes around comes around. I don't think they believe a Republican will ever come to power again, and they've shown they're willing to sell their soul for just that.
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I was surprised that the other networks stood up to the WH and refused the interview unless Fox was included.
That's may be partially because the people working at the other networks may end up working for Fox someday when they take over the world. :evillaugh:
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What a pathetic bunch of crowards. I hope FOX hammers this point till Obama cries.
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What a pathetic bunch of crowards. I hope FOX hammers this point till Obama cries.
Maybe that is why 0Bama said he isn't losing sleep at night, he is crying himself to sleep, because Fox doesn't like him.
Was the word crowards a typo or a new word to describe the left? Loud squawking birds that do nothing, but make noise and run away when confronted?
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Maybe that is why 0Bama said he isn't losing sleep at night, he is crying himself to sleep, because Fox doesn't like him.
Was the word crowards a typo or a new word to describe the left? Loud squawking birds that do nothing, but make noise and run away when confronted?
LOL..no, it was a typo.
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Quick!!! Go check and see if the sun set in the East.....the media did something RIGHT for a change, even if their motives MAY be self-serving for fear they will be the NEXT banned news outlet.
For the moment, however, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they stood on their principles. Yeah, riiiiiiiight. :rotf:
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Get ready for the ObamaNewsNetwork.
I wonder if he is trying to send a message telling them to toe the line and report what he wants or prepare to be for all practical purposes nationalized.
The Communist tendencies of this administration are frightening.
Hi,
I think Glenn Beck is right once again. They are going after Fox to take focus off of the lousy health care bill. They are probably praying for hurricanes, another OJ, anything to take the focus off the health care crap.
regards,
5412
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Hi,
I think Glenn Beck is right once again. They are going after Fox to take focus off of the lousy health care bill. They are probably praying for hurricanes, another OJ, anything to take the focus off the health care crap.
regards,
5412
I won't disagree with that.
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If we eliminate the freedom of the press, we are one step closer to Communisim.
This all proves how left most media outlets are, and how quickly the White House shuns those that are not.
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OBAMANATION
I remember when CNN was referred to as the “Clinton News Networkâ€. For many years the Left have enjoyed receiving the news with their media pushing the Left agenda. Fox News Network is and should be able to do their reporting catering to the Right. Republicans and Conservatives don’t want to hear CNN’s skewed and favored reporting that constantly lauds and praises Obama’s every move and decision. We enjoy the ability and right to be critical of our leaders in this country. That’s my interpretation of “Fair and Balancedâ€. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, they all praise this president as if everything he does is without flaw and any person or network who should criticize or demand answers with this administration is an “extremist†or “not a real news networkâ€. The fact that this President has even mocked Fox for their reporting is incorrigible. For instance, he and his administration lack the courage to answer questions which Fox News has asked regarding Social/National Healthcare: Who and how will pay for it and what is the cost? This administration is furious that Fox demand that American’s have a right to know and Obama simply won’t answer or address those questions. Of course we all know the answer; higher taxes, higher taxes for everyone. That’s the Democrats way for paying for anything; throwing someone else’s money at a problem is the answer. And, in Obama’s world, the capitalists who have earned more money must bear the burden for covering the cost of those who have less. Not less government spending and wasting. Spreading the money of the wealthiest among the poorest and then simply printing money which we don’t have will cure all of America’s ills. Right?
As far as the “opinion pieces†on Fox; give me a break! I watch them with a grain of salt as mostly entertainment. They are, after all, opinion pieces. O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck; although all make valid points and even intriguing challenges, they are not reporters. They simply share their views in an entertaining, unique and over the top tendency. Sure, they’re very critical of this administration and have every right to voice their collective disgust. As much as the Left may despise them, Beck, Hannity and O’Reilly all check facts and are true Patriots concerned for the state of affairs in our country. In fact, it’s their diligent and exhausting checking of facts and exposing truths that the Left media would rather hide from the masses that anger their opponents. Remember, fair and balanced, the Left pushes their agenda, Fox has the right to cater and report to the Right audience. Funny how this whole Freedom of Speech thing works, isn’t? Open debate, expressing disgust and even criticizing the powers that be is the cornerstone of our freedom in this country. Obama should be ashamed of himself, but, he has his own definition of freedom: everyone is free to agree with him and his administration or get bullied and threatened.
Remember this: this president promised that his administration would conduct business with greater transparency and higher standards than any other president has ever done, just ask his Czars…..Fox is doing their job in questioning, criticizing and demanding answers from this administration. We, as Americans need to constantly and vigilantly put our elected leaders under a microscope and make sure their decisions are best for our country and countrymen. Bush sure was put through the media shredder during his administration. Obama should be off limits? Oh, wait, I forgot, everything is Bush’s fault anyway; that’s the mantra of this administration. They’ll never own up to their short comings and mistakes. President Bush will forever be Obama’s, Pelosi’s and Biden’s scapegoat.
These are the facts: This administration has control of our financial bloodline; Wall Street and banks. Now they dictate; notice the word: DICTATE, the salaries of executives. They own GM…you all know that, correct? They OWN General Motors. And here is an example of their total stupidity and inability to effectively and even slightly try to save GM (which they have no intention of relinquishing ownership of) Remember “Cash for Clunkers� Sounded great, didn’t: trade in your “clunker†and receive a rebate or discount of $3,500.00-$4,500.00 towards a new vehicle. Of course, the government decided which cars qualified as clunkers and which cars were elected as fuel efficient or Earth Friendly or whatever by the criteria of their choosing for trade-ins. Who benefitted from this? This really could have been a good idea; profitable for many people if it was run by the private sector. Many consumers made out; thousands now drive nice, new vehicles with great warranties, etc. Ford did well, they had some great inventory to provide; as did Honda, Toyota, Lexus, Volkswagen, Hyundai, BMW, Nissan, Saab, etc. You know who suffered terribly from this fiasco? GM! Why? Their factories had been shut down for nine months! They had little inventory to begin with, which when those cars did sell, they had no time to produce more!!! Most GM lots are now stuck with $35,000-$50,000 SUVs and Crossovers and Pickup Trucks. Now, these “clunkers†were, per the contract of the Cash for Clunkers campaign, to be destroyed. Period. The government dictated that these “clunkers†were to be taken to a junk yard and crushed and boxed into waste. Many of those cars were very drivable, newer, safe cars that had many more years and miles on them. They could have been resold to low income families, or donated to charities, churches, etc. Even the spare parts that could have been resold to keep other, older cars on the road (starters, alternators, doors, mirrors, fuel pumps, wheels, seats, windows, glass, transmissions, oil pans, batteries, etc., etc., etc) I understand the purpose of the program was to remove non fuel efficient vehicles off the roads, but not everybody can afford new cars and some keep their vehicles for many years and rely on spare parts from junk yards. This program had no benefit to GM and millions of dollars from the donation/resale of these clunkers and the spare part business was lost. In other words, the government ruined what could have been a great boost to GM and in the process lost millions of potential revenue from the used/spare parts industry. Now he, Obama and this administration, wants to control healthcare? Also, there’s a news outlet that criticizes and questions and doesn’t push their agenda….Well, Obama can’t have that, Fox must be shut down. Just ask his Czars. No one sees a pattern? Does the name Chavez scare anyone? Not the Hollywood Left, who swoon over him. They honestly wish our current president would act more like Chavez. Don’t worry, he’s getting there. Banks (money), corporations (GM) and now he is trying to control the media (Fox News). No one sees a pattern? Conservatives are labeled as “crazy†and “extremist†when we say and see that this president has a Socialism Agenda. What’s sad, and most certainly scary, is it’s happening right in front of our eyes!!! Ask yourselves this, all you who criticize Fox: Look back on all of the president’s promises he said he would do if elected, and count the number of one’s he fallen through with. How transparent and forthright has this regime been with the American public? Why is he so fearful of honest debate, discussion, questions and criticism? For seven years our Nation was fearful of another attack from a foreign, distant enemy hell-bent on destroying our freedoms and rights that so many have given their souls to ensure and protect. What about a domestic enemy, with an agenda, an overwhelming coverage of media to support said agenda and the power to slowly erode and negate those freedoms and rights? ……I am neither crazy nor an extremist. I am the new minority (40 year old, Caucasian, Male, Christian, Capitalist Conservative) who is slowly watching our country becoming a Socialist Society. Obama chanted “change†in his campaign and many people were ready for a different leader, a different administration, I understand that. However, this type of change will adversely affect the fabric of our great Nation. I hope when all of the damage is done and over, it won’t be too late for our new leader in 2012 to undo the carnage Obama has already brought to our country. Fox News, keep up the fine work!