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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Thor on October 21, 2009, 11:57:01 AM
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against 0bama. It was a private security guard, 55 year old John Brek was arrested for making a threat against 0bama. Someone at an airport coffee stand overheard the threat and reported the guard to authorities. The police searched his house and found 43 GUNS!!! (Oh, the terror!!) None of the guns have been found to have been illegal.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/21/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5404843.shtml (AP article, so no copy and paste)
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I suppose that one had best watch what they say in public. 0bama's minions are listening, waiting to turn any offender in.
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I suppose that one had best watch what they say in public. 0bama's minions are listening, waiting to turn any offender in.
...or just make sh*t up and turn someone in anyway.
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...or just make sh*t up and turn someone in anyway.
According to an update, Brek is denying the allegations. So......... you MAY be right. I wonder who Brek pissed off?? I don't recall seeing people arrested for threats against Bush unless they were well founded.
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According to an update, Brek is denying the allegations. So......... you MAY be right. I wonder who Brek pissed off??
He allowed them to search his home...no mention of a warrant to do so. They found exactly squat. Sounds like a set-up.
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What did he say? "I disagree with him"?
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interesting that yahoo news is running a lead story right now about the SS budget cuts and re-assessing their priorities in light of the fact that O gets an "unprecedented amount" of threats...
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CNN is running a story on Obama's poll numbers and giving me the oppty to decide if Rihanna's song is about Chris Brown.
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I heard on Fox around 12:45, that they (Fox) thought the reason the police arrested this guy is because Obama is supposed to be speaking somewhere near the airport today(tomorrow?)....
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I suppose that one had best watch what they say in public. 0bama's minions are listening, waiting to turn any offender in.
The relevant point here is: did he, in fact, threaten the president?
Now, I wouldn't put it past some disgruntled person--even with total non-political aspirations--to make such a claim about if they were pissed off at Brek because they knew he owned a lot of guns and they would be confiscated. If you were in the mood to burn someone, that would be an extremely effective way.
But we don't know if that is what motivated the call. Maybe Brek did make a threat, in which case he would deserve whatever misery is coming his way.
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I suppose that one had best watch what they say in public. 0bama's minions are listening, waiting to turn any offender in.
...or just make sh*t up and turn someone in anyway.
Now, I wouldn't put it past some disgruntled person--even with total non-political aspirations--to make such a claim about if they were pissed off at Brek because they knew he owned a lot of guns and they would be confiscated. If you were in the mood to burn someone, that would be an extremely effective way.
1. Kinda reminds me of a previous time, around 1935!
2. They did the same thing back then.
3. The White House web site to turn in folks they thought were spreading lies about Obummer's health care package was bound to escalate to this! Take a look at the DUmp! It's not far fetched to think these "worms" would like nothing better than to turn in an acquaintance that does not agree with their rhetoric!
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Let's take into account that he IS a Private Security Guard at an Airport. Most security guards are looked on with much disdain & loathing. He could have also corrected someone's bad behavior and this was an attempt at revenge. It could have been something innocuous that has been spun by the person reporting the statement into something what was far more involved than what was actually said. Brek claims that he's innocent. Time will tell.
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Wonder if we will ever learn just what the threat was...was he one of those dangerous talking teabaggers? ...did he not approve of the direction Obama is taking the country?Curious people want to know.
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Wonder if we will ever learn just what the threat was...was he one of those dangerous talking teabaggers? ...did he not approve of the direction Obama is taking the country?Curious people want to know.
Doubtful.
He probably just made some off the cuff sarcastic remark....to someone he knew. Someone else overheard and reported him.
A person that would be a real threat wouldn't have said a word....
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Should it even BE illegal to make a threat to begin with?
If so, why?
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Read the link there is a disclaimer that says the name of the person involved is wrong and that he never was a NJ Trooper.
Someone here comes to mind, remember the security guard that found a suspicious back pack a few years ago and was driven close to insane as he was accused of planting it himself. For some reason the name Richard Jewels comes to mind, we have had quite allot of mad bombers in the last few years, hard to keep up with the name of the accused..
This I believe is why our laws are on the side of the common man. Who can prove a negative, the more one protests their innocence the more we wonder if they are protesting too much.
When an innocent person thinks even for one moment that others think they the type of person to break what ever law, their Ego is hurt and wonder why anyone would think them capable of whatever. As the Police say they get interested when they " Lawyer up" like if one is innocent they have no need for a lawyer----only the guilty need lawyers.?
Balderdash, in some cases the innocent need lawyers more then the guilty.
I hate to see stuff like this, we never know when someone will want to make trouble for us ----kind of like " There by the grace of God go I"
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Read the link there is a disclaimer that says the name of the person involved is wrong and that he never was a NJ Trooper.
Someone here comes to mind, remember the security guard that found a suspicious back pack a few years ago and was driven close to insane as he was accused of planting it himself. For some reason the name Richard Jewels comes to mind, we have had quite allot of mad bombers in the last few years, hard to keep up with the name of the accused..
This I believe is why our laws are on the side of the common man. Who can prove a negative, the more one protests their innocence the more we wonder if they are protesting too much.
When an innocent person thinks even for one moment that others think they the type of person to break what ever law, their Ego is hurt and wonder why anyone would think them capable of whatever. As the Police say they get interested when they " Lawyer up" like if one is innocent they have no need for a lawyer----only the guilty need lawyers.?
Balderdash, in some cases the innocent need lawyers more then the guilty.
I hate to see stuff like this, we never know when someone will want to make trouble for us ----kind of like " There by the grace of God go I"
Never talk to the police (http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m8d4-Loose-lips-can-get-you-arrested-or-why-you-shouldnt-talk-to-the-police)
Watch both videos. Well worth the time IMO.
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Never talk to the police (http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m8d4-Loose-lips-can-get-you-arrested-or-why-you-shouldnt-talk-to-the-police)
Watch both videos. Well worth the time IMO.
No kidding! I have bailed men and women both out of the pokey that as it turns out, they were completely innocent!
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Never talk to the police (http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m8d4-Loose-lips-can-get-you-arrested-or-why-you-shouldnt-talk-to-the-police)
Watch both videos. Well worth the time IMO.
That was an eye opener for me as I lived in that area years ago and had to deal with the police when my home was robbed by renters.
The people agreed to return the stove, refridg, and some big stuff but claimed they knew nothing about what happend to the things that I had locked in the attic or garage. I could not prove that they were in possession of anything or had taken anything from my home except for a few appliances.
BTW, the home had been swept clean, not one piece of paper to identify them but they did leave one old phone book behind and we found the name and phone number of a mutual friend written in it and tracked them down that way.
Insurance would not pay for our loss of family photos or my Grandmothers silver, the damage they did to the walls and floors. { interesting that the mother of the husband owned a used item store and got a restraining order against ME and family so we could not go into her store and look for our stolen property.}
Both ways the victim and the Perp, both of us had to deal with the law and had we as victims gotten a lawyer we still never would have recovered what was truly precious family heirlooms.
Interesting side note, the police could not prove the husband had taken my property so they could only charge the 8 month pregnant woman with receiving stolen property.
I had no choice but to drop charges once I got the big items back, ------I had known and worked with these people for years and trusted the.
, Big time lesson for me, trust few and never trust your own judgement based on emotional feelings.
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Should it even BE illegal to make a threat to begin with?
If so, why?
Can you yell "fire" in a crowded theater?
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Supposedly there are so many threats against Dear Leader that the SS is having problems meeting their obligations .
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Can you yell "fire" in a crowded theater?
When we smell smoke and see flames, darn tooten.
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Can you yell "fire" in a crowded theater?
Don't answer a question with a question.
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Hi, Rich!!! :texas:
I have a son who is a SS agent and he said they HAVE to investigate EVERY reported threat.....even if they are almost certain it will not turn out to be a serious threat against Obama....or any president, for that matter. Thank God 99+% of the threats are not legitimate threats and are just someone spouting off their mouth.
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Hi, Rich!!! :texas:
I have a son who is a SS agent and he said they HAVE to investigate EVERY reported threat.....even if they are almost certain it will not turn out to be a serious threat against Obama....or any president, for that matter. Thank God 99+% of the threats are not legitimate threats and are just someone spouting off their mouth.
Hello Lady Texan,
I understand that part.
My root question is: Why is it illegal to begin with and why should it be?
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I am building up to making a point.
:-)
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I suppose it is the law for preventative reasons. Arresting someone after he/she actually commits the assassination may build a stronger case against them but you still have a dead president.
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To me, there is a big distinction between making a serious threat and someone just making an off the cuff comment in anger or frustration.
Should it be investigated to find out if the threat is serious? You bet.
But should it be a federal crime to make an off the cuff comment in the presence of other?
Not so much IMO.
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To me, there is a big distinction between making a serious threat and someone just making an off the cuff comment in anger or frustration.
Should it be investigated to find out if the threat is serious? You bet.
But should it be a federal crime to make an off the cuff comment in the presence of other?
Not so much IMO.
No such thing as off the record.
Funny how things work up here. Local news said a man who slapped another man and called him a sissy was facing a hate crime. Why, the person who was slapped claims to be Gay, but I know of at least 2 different woman who dated him and said he was a stud.
This is what we are becoming, if I get mad at some old man who bangs his car door into mine and chips the paint, I can be arrested for the hate crime of calling him a " Bald headed bastard"-----
One has to be so very careful with words today, say I and another woman speak of wanting to punch the Boss in the nose, someone over hears---have we entered some kind of conspiracy to attack him ?
It is not good for any society to have to look over their sholder when speaking to another.
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You are right about the words and it has gotten totally out of hand.
Here in Austin, Texas, last week a DJ was discussing the fact that the ground at Zilker Park had so much water standing on it after the Austin City Limits Festival and the city was concerned about the best way to clean up the park. One of the DJ's said a couple of times that they just needed to "go down to Home Depot and pick up a bunch of wet-vacs" to suck up the water. Since the City of Austin - the liberal mecca of Texas - REQUIRES Home Depot to provide a pick-up spot for "workers" (translation: illegals) to get work, people started calling in and said the statement was "racist" because it "sounded so much like 'wet-back'".
They suspended the guy without pay for two weeks.
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Never had much use for Austin in my life..... that shit hole can wither away and die for all I'm concerned.
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You are right about the words and it has gotten totally out of hand.
Here in Austin, Texas, last week a DJ was discussing the fact that the ground at Zilker Park had so much water standing on it after the Austin City Limits Festival and the city was concerned about the best way to clean up the park. One of the DJ's said a couple of times that they just needed to "go down to Home Depot and pick up a bunch of wet-vacs" to suck up the water. Since the City of Austin - the liberal mecca of Texas - REQUIRES Home Depot to provide a pick-up spot for "workers" (translation: illegals) to get work, people started calling in and said the statement was "racist" because it "sounded so much like 'wet-back'".
They suspended the guy without pay for two weeks.
More proof that liberals are the racist ones, and can hear racism where it doesn't exist. We all remember the flap over the word "niggardly". Granted that using "wet vac" term may have been an attempt at a pun.
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....But should it be a federal crime to make an off the cuff comment in the presence of other?
Not so much IMO.
How would those others know if the comment is off the cuff or a real threat?
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You are right about the words and it has gotten totally out of hand.
Here in Austin, Texas, last week a DJ was discussing the fact that the ground at Zilker Park had so much water standing on it after the Austin City Limits Festival and the city was concerned about the best way to clean up the park. One of the DJ's said a couple of times that they just needed to "go down to Home Depot and pick up a bunch of wet-vacs" to suck up the water. Since the City of Austin - the liberal mecca of Texas - REQUIRES Home Depot to provide a pick-up spot for "workers" (translation: illegals) to get work, people started calling in and said the statement was "racist" because it "sounded so much like 'wet-back'".
They suspended the guy without pay for two weeks.
Wait just one minute here, are you saying the State can require you to break the law by knowingly hire illegals ? What happens when ICE raids the place.?
How are they paid, in cash ?
Does Home Depot have a quota as in for every American picked up there has to be two criminals also hired.?
I do know that Home Depot is one the the most difficult places to get a credit card. They track back credit history up to 10 years in some cases. So now they are forced by city law to give access to inventory to just anyone.?
When will the black citizens of California force the Governor to change his last name.?
Will Cracker Barrel have to change their name, I as a white find that offensive. I also find the Sour Kraut offensive and French Kiss obscene.
Home improvement must now find a new way to describe how to Chink up a window with putty, and when one must use emergency measures to tape up a muffler, then one can only say they Rigged it, no words that start with a N. or J.
Jimmy Darentie who had had a large nose cannot be thought of as the man with the big Honker or Honkey-- recycle items that are clear no longer called White Trash.
Got to get rid of the word Poor, it is now disadvantaged. A drunken bum is now suffering from a medical disease. Anyone who cannot controll their temper and lashes out at others for not getting their way are now victims of society.
Crazy world out there, and here I thought Austin was a nice place to live.
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Vesta--you live in an area where the only illegals are a couple of Canadians whose passports have accidentally expired. One would have to go to Boston to see any significant numbers of illegals.
But even that pales in comparison to the number of illegals in the border states and large urban areas like Denver, Chicago, New York, and Miami. Even large agricultural areas like the Carolinas have significant numbers of illegals working the fields and packing plants.
ICE doesn't care. You could tell them that there are 500,000 of them marching through downtown Los Angeles, (and not coincidentally, that HAS happened) and they'll just shrug their shoulders. Their mentality is one of once the illegal gets past the border, it's not their problem anymore. No immigration raids to speak of, no holding employers accountable, nothing of the sort.
Schools in California are not allowed to even ask an enrolling student's immigrant status. Cops cannot ascertain whether or not someone they have contact with is there legally (Google Special Order 40.)
RIOTS are occuring in the inner city schools in CA because of the blacks losing their power to Latinos. Entire student bodies have started brawls at lunchtimes or off-campus. Of course, you hear nothing of this outside local media, and even then precious little at that.
The LA Economic Development Council did a study about 7-8 years ago which showed nearly 30 percent of the LA County workforce was paid in cash--no taxes deducted, no workmans comp or unemployment insurance taken out. Guess what group the majority of those workers fell into? Oh, and guess who pays for those who do not? California has one of the most expensive workman's comp programs in the nation--and it's bankrupt.
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Never had much use for Austin in my life..... that shit hole can wither away and die for all I'm concerned.
You won't get any argument from me. I actually do not live IN Austin but in a small town 45 miles southwest of Austin.
Austin is a sanctuary city and they bend over backwards to accommodate illegals. My son was an Austin cop before he became a SS Agent and he was not even allowed to ASK if a person he stopped was illegal or not.
It is my understanding.....and admittedly I'm not an expert on Austin, thank goodness.....but before Home Depot (and other large building supply companies) can get their city building permit they are to set aside a certain amount of "free space". Also the city itself actually SUBSIDIZES with tax dollars a place with "workers" can congregate in order for contractors to hire them and they were talking about opening a second such site.
Houston is also a sanctuary city and they have had three police officers killed in the line of duty by illegals in the past couple of years. One of the killers had been arrested by Houston police three times prior to the traffic stop that resulted in the killing of the officer. If he had been deported that officer would be alive today.
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How would those others know if the comment is off the cuff or a real threat?
Did I not say they should be investigated? Yes I did.
My question was should it be a federal crime?
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Did I not say they should be investigated? Yes I did.
You want the individual who heard the comment to investigate it first before reporting?
My question was should it be a federal crime?
It was reported to be a threat against the President. What other type of crime would it be?
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Did I not say they should be investigated? Yes I did.
My question was should it be a federal crime?
If there's actually something behind the threat? Yes.
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You are right about the words and it has gotten totally out of hand.
Here in Austin, Texas, last week a DJ was discussing the fact that the ground at Zilker Park had so much water standing on it after the Austin City Limits Festival and the city was concerned about the best way to clean up the park. One of the DJ's said a couple of times that they just needed to "go down to Home Depot and pick up a bunch of wet-vacs" to suck up the water. Since the City of Austin - the liberal mecca of Texas - REQUIRES Home Depot to provide a pick-up spot for "workers" (translation: illegals) to get work, people started calling in and said the statement was "racist" because it "sounded so much like 'wet-back'".
They suspended the guy without pay for two weeks.
What the flinging flug!??!?! Seriously!?!? Holy crap are they idiots! :thatsright:
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You won't get any argument from me. I actually do not live IN Austin but in a small town 45 miles southwest of Austin.
Austin is a sanctuary city and they bend over backwards to accommodate illegals. My son was an Austin cop before he became a SS Agent and he was not even allowed to ASK if a person he stopped was illegal or not.
It is my understanding.....and admittedly I'm not an expert on Austin, thank goodness.....but before Home Depot (and other large building supply companies) can get their city building permit they are to set aside a certain amount of "free space". Also the city itself actually SUBSIDIZES with tax dollars a place with "workers" can congregate in order for contractors to hire them and they were talking about opening a second such site.
Houston is also a sanctuary city and they have had three police officers killed in the line of duty by illegals in the past couple of years. One of the killers had been arrested by Houston police three times prior to the traffic stop that resulted in the killing of the officer. If he had been deported that officer would be alive today.
I live in DFW. My burb has a DAY LABORER FACILITY, which looks like a rest stop for the day laborers to wait. Conveniently across the street from a Turimex bus depot. Several cities around here have built the same, with the argument that they got tired of dealing with complaints from store owners regarding loitering on their property.