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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on October 14, 2009, 12:13:26 PM
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Oh my.
The crooked tale primitive:
The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:38 AM
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Mom Fears DCF Will Take 400-Pound Son
13-Year-Old Orlando Boy Refuses To Take Medicine, Mother Says
ORLANDO, Fla. -- An Orlando mother said on Tuesday that she's fearful the state will take custody of her 13-year-old 400-pound son after doctors called authorities about his condition.
Doctors contacted the Department of Children and Families after Josiah Lewis missed a few appointments, saying his condition is life-threatening.
The boy's mother, Brenda Lewis, said she's trying to help her son lose weight, but he refuses to take medicine and will not stop overeating.
"At 13, how can I make him? What do you want me to do?" Brenda Lewis said. "Because of his weight he has gained diabetes and has high blood pressure."
DCF officials said the case is rare, but the department has launched an investigation. The agency does have the authority to remove an obese or anorexic child from a home if the child's medical condition is life-threatening.
http://www.clickorlando.com/health/21289128/detail.html
First up to bat, the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive:
cali (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:40 AM
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1. maybe it would be best if DCF does take physical custody of the kid-he'll die where he is.
lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:40 AM
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2. Lady, if you are powerless to assure minimal health/safety, then someone must step in.
If not dad, and if not other family, then DCF.
The primitive from southeastern Nebraska:
TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:41 AM
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3. Sad, but it sounds like this mom is unable to manage her son's medical problems and behavior--he needs more help than he's getting.
dugaresa (756 posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:36 PM
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15. reading the article she doesn't seem to realize she is the parent
"Brenda Lewis said her son does not take his health seriously, putting her in a difficult position." this sounds to me like she doesn't understand that he is a child. He isn't yet old enough to appreciate issues like his health like an adult would.
""He didn't come with a manuscript or a guide. I (have) just been working my way through," Brenda Lewis said." This says it all, typically we learn to parent based on how we were parented. It is doubtful she had a good role model herself and when she became a parent herself didn't realize the responsibilities. Kid's aren't lego kits that come with instructions.
Overall it is sad but the kid is sick and he needs to be removed and she needs to go to a parenting class if she wants to keep him.
TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:41 PM
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19. Yep. But you don't even need top-notch parenting skills to know that when your son is 400 lbs. and ill with resultant diseases, you should probably take charge of what goes into the refigerator and what goes into his mouth, and his medication schedule. Either basic common sense eludes her, or she's overwhelmed by the challenges of raising him and simply gave up.
On edit--read further that apparently she's obese, too. So she can't/won't control her own diet and health, guess she has no interest in controlling his either.
dugaresa (756 posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:51 PM
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20. it is sad and depression could be a factor, for the mother as well as the kid
i had a cousin who died from being morbidly obese. She was clearly suffering from depression and from what other family members had told me she developed her eating habits as a way to soothe her depression. Can't treat the obesity without dealing with the mental health factors.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:41 AM
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4. Not The Best Parent In The World Now Is She.
No excuse for allowing him to get that big by such an early age of 13. No excuse.
I don't necessarily think that he should be taken away outright, but I do think he should be under court protection and monitored.
RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:53 AM
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5. ...will not stop eating...
Ma'am, he's a thirteen year old child. You control his meals. You control his money. You have every right to enter his room and remove any foodstuff found there.
If he is 300 lbs overweight, it is YOUR fault, and YOU can correct it.
LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:57 AM
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6. At 400 pounds someone is buying, cooking and placing the food in front of him.
He can't do it himself. Mom needs help here -- unfortunately, DCF may be the only route to get this family the help they need.
Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:57 AM
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7. If he refuses to take his medicine and will not stop overeating his life is obviously in danger and he needs to be admitted to a clinic. However, I would daresay that going into the foster care system will NOT solve his medical problems and only make them worse.
liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:57 AM
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8. At 13, can't the mother ration the food?
Lock the food up, only buy enough for dinner, something. But claiming the kid will not stop overeating is not entirely his fault at 13.
This mother has a problem and this poor kid is suffering because of it.
Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 11:58 AM
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9. Someone needs to intervene ASAP
She needs help learning how to parent and the child needs immediate medical attention.
Such a sad story.
enid602 (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:00 PM
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10. Mom
Unless he´s growing all that food in the back yard, I´d say Mom is enabling the overeating.
asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:02 PM
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11. America is just killing itself in the kitchen and the drive through.
You have to wonder what this says about us as a country.
Well, franksolich has a solution to that.
Food stamps should be usable only for basic food commodies, as they once were limited--to milk and other dairy products, bread, flour, sugar, vegetables, fruits, meats, salt and pepper, eggs, cheese, whatnot.
Food stamps shouldn't be used for sodas and candy bars and convenience foods.
dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:05 PM
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12. at 13- the kid isn't taking himself to the drive-thru.
parents have to parent.
asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:22 PM
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13. Of course not.
I mean, duh. I wasn't making that point. It's mom, it's dad, it's schools, it's TV. We are selling ourselves death wrapped up like a happy meal.
We've become a country with a vast majority of people seem to be incapable of telling themselves no.
Yep, that's the primitives in a nutshell.
dugaresa (756 posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:30 PM
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14. I really hate judging other people and how they raise their kids, but I have been seeing a lot of stuff recently that I wish I had not.
My children are in that kid's age range and we have been having more kids visit our home.
This is what I have noticed:
1. A lot of kids do not have basic table manners.
2. Some kids don't eat at a dinner table but are used to eating in front of TV's (sad)
3. Loads of people have TV's viewable from their dining room or eating area and watch them while they eat too.
4. Vegetables are not common in some households. I can't tell you the number of children I have had visit my home that won't even eat lettuce. One young man wanted only bacon on his sandwich and mayo. I told him that he had to have the lettuce at least or he couldn't have it and he agreed and ate it. (perhaps a bad thing for me to do)
My kids are both active and are considered "underweight" but they eat well and my pediatrician just says, "they can eat what they want" but my kids will cut up strawberries as a snack or have a pear. I know, they are odd.
Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:40 PM
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16. Look at the mother, she's bigger than he is so it's clear she lacks the skill set needed to fix this
vanlassie (528 posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:40 PM
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17. She IS asking for help....
"At 13, how can I make him? What do you want me to do?" Brenda Lewis said."
Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:40 PM
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18. His mother is even bigger than he is. They both need help.
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Isn't this the result of what liberals advocate? They don't want parents able to control their kids. They want kids spying on parents for the state.
This lady is probably DU material.
She CAN control his overeating by not buying him food. BE the parent, stop being a limp-wristed PC New Math Momma.
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If you follow the links to photos, you will see that this kid, at 400+, is the slender one in the family. The mother is way, way north of 400.
I doubt she is going to get the kid on a Jenny Craig diet.
It looks like Florida taxpayers are financing a ton of groceries for that welfare household.
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dugaresa (756 posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:30 PM
My kids are both active and are considered "underweight"
Definately an expert on feeding kids.
My sons hit the six-foot mark in Jr. High. They weren't considered 'underweight', just normal.
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Definately an expert on feeding kids.
My sons hit the six-foot mark in Jr. High. They weren't considered 'underweight', just normal.
When I was 16, I was over 6' tall, I raced motocross in the 125 class, and I weighed 125 lbs....
My Suzuki RM-125 outweighed me by 80 pounds, and I could bench press it....
My son whined and moaned when he was 16 that he was soooooo skinny and only weighed 135.
He flipped when I told him he was heavier than me at his age....
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If you follow the links to photos, you will see that this kid, at 400+, is the slender one in the family. The mother is way, way north of 400.
I doubt she is going to get the kid on a Jenny Craig diet.
It looks like Florida taxpayers are financing a ton of groceries for that welfare household.
Yep. Momma ain't exactly setting a good example.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/400.jpg)
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Yep. Momma ain't exactly setting a good example.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/400.jpg)
so nice to see them hanging around the house together. :uhsure:
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Cue the "Yo Mama So Fat" jokes.
Yo mama so fat she's got Amtrak written on her leg.
Yo mama so fat when her beeper goes off, people thought she was backing up.
Yo mama so fat she's got more Chins than a Hong Kong phone book!
Yo mama so fat she's got her own gravity field.
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Yep. Momma ain't exactly setting a good example.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/400.jpg)
They look like a couple of the Klumps from the "Nutty Professor" movies....
"Hercules, Hercules, Hercules...."
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Cue the "Yo Mama So Fat" jokes.
Yo mama so fat she's got Amtrak written on her leg.
Yo mama so fat when her beeper goes off, people thought she was backing up.
Yo mama so fat she's got more Chins than a Hong Kong phone book!
Yo mama so fat she's got her own gravity field.
You mama so fat when she goes swimming she leaves a ring around the lake....
You mama so fat she wears a watch on both arms cuz she covers 2 time zones....
You mama so fat when she has sex guys have to ask directions....
You mama so fat when she wears high heels she strikes oil....
You mama so fat she's banned from "all you can eat" buffets....
You mama so fat when she walks out to get the mail she registers on the Reciter scale....
You mama so fat she leaves footprints in the sidewalk....
You mama ugly too.
You mama so ugly, when she walks into a room, mice jump on chairs....
You mama so ugly, when you look up "ugly" in the dictionary, you see her picture....
You mama so ugly, she put the "UG" in "UGLY"....
You mama so ugly, when 2 guys broke into her house, she yelled "RAPE" and they yelled "NO"!
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Yo Momma so fat she applied for statehood.
Yo Momma so fat she was renamed Jupiter.
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DUmmie says
15. reading the article she doesn't seem to realize she is the parent
No. You touchy-feely pansy ass liberals passed laws year ago robbing people of the ability to act as parents....You asses thought you knew best. Now look at the problems you have created....and think about the ever increasing problems you're going to create trying to fix the problems you've already created.
It's an ever larger spiraling tornado they create, sucking all the 'good' out of the American way of life.
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"At 13, how can I make him? What do you want me to do?" Brenda Lewis said.
Stop buying food. He'll game up eventually or maybe I'm just a "tough-love" person.
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Stop buying food. He'll game up eventually or maybe I'm just a "tough-love" person.
She doesn't KNOW. How is that for an educational system?
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DUmmie says
15. reading the article she doesn't seem to realize she is the parent
No. You touchy-feely pansy ass liberals passed laws year ago robbing people of the ability to act as parents....You asses thought you knew best. Now look at the problems you have created....and think about the ever increasing problems you're going to create trying to fix the problems you've already created.
It's an ever larger spiraling tornado they create, sucking all the 'good' out of the American way of life.
Unfortunately, the consequences of their legislation are what they use to impose MORE legislation. Think about other aspects of the economy. They claim capitalism fails (bailouts) but it is their crap which totally defies capitalistic principles. Sadly, people latch onto their nonsense and say 'ZOMG CAPITALISM FAILZ!?!?"
My fear is that they will use this as support for further control.
Also, if this family is on welfare, I have to ask... WHY IS ANYBODY GETTING FAT ON WELFARE!?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1RqdGePv4Q[/youtube]
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I have a solution for this mother... stop buying unehealthy food, if you only have vegitables and good food for him he will eat that if he is so addicted to eating. These people are just ignorant and to have a son that is 400 lbs perhaps CPS should take him away, maybe then he wont die before he is 19
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the problem with only buying "good food" is that you still have to restrict total number of calories and increase calorie expenditure. Does this kid drink sodas? Replace them with water. Make him go out and walk around the neighborhood 15 minutes daily (to start). It takes time, and unfortunately this kid doesn't seem to have much left, but it can be done. Momma needs to set the example and the rules and they both need to live by those rules.
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Well, franksolich has a solution to that.
Food stamps should be usable only for basic food commodies, as they once were limited--to milk and other dairy products, bread, flour, sugar, vegetables, fruits, meats, salt and pepper, eggs, cheese, whatnot.
Food stamps shouldn't be used for sodas and candy bars and convenience foods.
In KY it used to be that way in the early 70s. Food stamp recipients even had to go to classes to learn how to get the most nutrition out of their purchases. Now that I think back on it I don't recall seeing a single obese person in the food stamp office.
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In KY it used to be that way in the early 70s. Food stamp recipients even had to go to classes to learn how to get the most nutrition out of their purchases. Now that I think back on it I don't recall seeing a single obese person in the food stamp office.
Originally, that's the way it was, when first set up under the Great Society.
The purpose of food stamps was two-fold--to feed the hungry, and to help the farmer.
In fact, food-stamps were a program of the U.S. Department of Agriculture at first.
Food-stamps were good only for purchasing basic foods.
The farmer benefited, because the farmer gets a bigger cut out of the purchase of raw potatoes, as compared with the purchase of a bag of potato chips.
The farmer gets a bigger cut out of the purchase of a bag of sugar, as compared with the purchase of a 6-pack of Coca-Cola.
The farmer gets a bigger cut out of the purchase of cheddar cheese, as compared with the purchase of some boxed macaroni-and-cheese.
Food-stamps don't give the farmer shit these days.
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If CPS can send the kid to a fat camp or clinic it might do some good. Otherwise, just putting him in their system, which most states don't have the best track record supervising, may harm him even more. I think it's a tough call.
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If CPS can send the kid to a fat camp or clinic it might do some good. Otherwise, just putting him in their system, which most states don't have the best track record supervising, may harm him even more. I think it's a tough call.
The kid is a goner. Tough, but that's how it works in the real world. The choice they're making is whether to let him die scarfing down Cheetos and Reese cups with his 500 lb. mother, or send him to CPS, where he'll die scarfing down Cheetos and Reese cups and abusing drugs with a bunch of delinquents. It's a lot less expensive to just leave him where he is. All the rest is just meaningless wringing of hands.
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The kid is a goner. Tough, but that's how it works in the real world. The choice they're making is whether to let him die scarfing down Cheetos and Reese cups with his 500 lb. mother, or send him to CPS, where he'll die scarfing down Cheetos and Reese cups and abusing drugs with a bunch of delinquents. It's a lot less expensive to just leave him where he is. All the rest is just meaningless wringing of hands.
or if its Mass they put him up in a foster home of pedophiles that rape him....
just saying.
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
...wow. I...I mean, you're...
:thatsright: You're a ****ing idiot, period.
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
Rape and sexual relations are two entirely different things. You really need to think about what you're posting.
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Rape and sexual relations are two entirely different things. You really need to think about what you're posting.
Why should she start now?
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
How intolerant of those who are attracted to either large partners or young boys...
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How intolerant of those who are attracted to either large partners or young boys...
How is Ben Berch doing, anyway?
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How intolerant of those who are attracted to either large partners or young boys...
I think there are fetishists that even prefer those types.
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
You need to learn reading comprehension too...sheesh. :whatever:
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
Massachussettes has a penchant for putting Christian children into homosexual foster homes.
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
Come on now, DUmmy atruevoice! As a DUmmy chick there's about an 85% chance that you are now, or soon will be, north of 350. You are surely a feminist, the whole purpose of which is to mainstream homely fat chicks. So I'm sure you are already aware of how attracted some guys are to rolls of blubber with baby oil. Mmmm, DUmmy chick fat rolls! As a progressive, I'm shocked you would condemn such people.
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
:lmao: You really are a ****ing moron aren't you? :rotf: Good God! How do you breathe on your own? :lmao:
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Anybody else wondering what club ATV dances at? :-)
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Who would rape a 500 LB kid, I wouldnt even consider having relations with someone so large, in fact I don't know if its physically possible. You are sick.
Oh Noes, you dinnttt! What a surprise, another chew toy! Or should I say "still" a chew toy!
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The implication that I am a stripper or prostitute would be considered sexual harassment in the workplace, I think it is just rude, learn how to talk to a lady, funny how your picture is of quagmeyer undressed, like men do you?
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The implication that I am a stripper or prostitute would be considered sexual harassment in the workplace, I think it is just rude, learn how to talk to a lady, funny how your picture is of quagmeyer undressed, like men do you?
We're not in the workplace you dolt! Like I give a flying **** what a moronic,spoiled,naive Paris Hiltonesque dipshit who wouldn't know the first thing about being a lady thinks! Nice! Homophobic too I see? Yeah I'm Gay! :whatever: :lmao:
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The implication that I am a stripper or prostitute would be considered sexual harassment in the workplace, I think it is just rude, learn how to talk to a lady, funny how your picture is of quagmeyer undressed, like men do you?
Sweetheart, please mature some and then come back to attempt an engagement in adult debate. You require much, much more life experience before you can 'teach' anyone here. Some day you may be able to hold a decent political and idealogical discussion, but at the moment all you're doing is embarrassing yourself.
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Sweetheart, please mature some and then come back to attempt an engagement in adult debate. You require much, much more life experience before you can 'teach' anyone here. Some day you may be able to hold a decent political and idealogical discussion, but at the moment all you're doing is embarrassing yourself.
I am hoping she sticks around and engages in actual discussion instead of the snarky high and mighty stuff.
That is what liberalism instills in someone and they never learn to think.
She makes contradictory statements within every post it seems due to the compartmentalizing of liberal beliefs and I suspect as some of those walls get broken down she will eventually run back to the safety of the DUmp or elsewhere.
There she can make bigoted statements and it is fine because she is a good lib while pointing fingers at everyone else accusing them of being racists and intolerant.
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(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/400.jpg)
I'll bet she is scared of losing him....he's the only one still able to get to the refrigerator.
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The implication that I am a stripper or prostitute would be considered sexual harassment in the workplace, I think it is just rude, learn how to talk to a lady, funny how your picture is of quagmeyer undressed, like men do you?
I've yet to see a DUmmy female who could ever make it as a whore or a stripper. You belong to a uniquely unattractive group.
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Well, at least she doesn't have to worry about the kid joining a gang. I think they actually require members to get off the couch.
Cindie
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The implication that I am a stripper or prostitute would be considered sexual harassment in the workplace, I think it is just rude, learn how to talk to a lady, funny how your picture is of quagmeyer undressed, like men do you?
lady? What lady?
All I see is a worthless crack ho.
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learn how to talk to a lady
Learn to act like a lady first and you may get treated as one.
Conservatives don't react well to the "gimme respect" crowd, sugar.
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Is that enormously obese woman the mother?? that would explain a lot. I have agreed with you all on this issue, so why am I still under attack?
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Is that enormously obese woman the mother?? that would explain a lot. I have agreed with you all on this issue, so why am I still under attack?
For taking a post completly and obviously out of context to attack a person here in some sort of self righetous "gotcha evil conservative" moment.
It simply made you look silly and childish and not ready to have a mature discussion.
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Lighten up, dont take everything so seriously, I was probably just kidding anyway, I don't remember now, but thats what makes the most sense, is she his mother or no, she needs that gasteric by pass surgery.
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Yep. Momma ain't exactly setting a good example.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/400.jpg)
She looks like a nice lady. :evillaugh:
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Maybe they have a thyroid problem but they probably cant fit their fat asses in a car to go to the doctor and find out.
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Maybe they have a thyroid problem but they probably cant fit their fat asses in a car to go to the doctor and find out.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Originally, that's the way it was, when first set up under the Great Society.
The purpose of food stamps was two-fold--to feed the hungry, and to help the farmer.
In fact, food-stamps were a program of the U.S. Department of Agriculture at first.
Food-stamps were good only for purchasing basic foods.
The farmer benefited, because the farmer gets a bigger cut out of the purchase of raw potatoes, as compared with the purchase of a bag of potato chips.
The farmer gets a bigger cut out of the purchase of a bag of sugar, as compared with the purchase of a 6-pack of Coca-Cola.
The farmer gets a bigger cut out of the purchase of cheddar cheese, as compared with the purchase of some boxed macaroni-and-cheese.
Food-stamps don't give the farmer shit these days.
Earl Butz(?)....remember him? He was the head of the Agricultural Deparment way back in the 70's. His department was the one democrats pointed to and screamed "Look at all the freebies the farmers are getting blah, blah, blah." He lost his job for telling a joke but the truth of the matter was, he lost it for telling the 'truth'. He stated that 65% of his budget was food stamps and all the administrative cost came out of his budget (35%) which actually left very little for real farm programs. He wanted them to put the foodstamp program in the welfare dept. where it belonged ...but then....people might see and complain what welfare was really costing us.
And lastly...are you telling me that they finally moved it from the agricultural dept.?
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Maybe they have a thyroid problem but they probably cant fit their fat asses in a car to go to the doctor and find out.
Or they could just not have any self-control over what they eat.
You'd be surprised how many calories are in one soda, or a bowl of cereal. They need to learn portioning and exercise.