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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on October 14, 2009, 12:31:37 AM
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The enormously corpulent DUmmy nadinbrzrczhszezszki, a Polish Mexican who may or may not be in this country legally, has put up an endlessly self-indulgent screed on gun control. It is shot through with more errors, lies, and stupidity than I care to comment on. It's worth visiting the DUmp to read in its entirety, as a classic display of DUmp ignorance.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:26 AM
On guns and the Liberals... city vs country
Ok folks, I have been doing a lot of readying into the culture... and there are several things that began to strike me, as a pattern.
Gun control has been hijacked... no, not by the liberals, the NRA... wait for it... 99% of gun owners will agree to the kind of controls most people who are reasonable about this want (???) . Things like ... if you served time in jail, aka a felon, or you have mental issues, you don't get to own a gun. (???)
Blah, blah, blah...
There is more, the reality is that you cannot ban guns in a country where we have over 260 million guns, last time anybody tried to run a check. That is more than two guns per person in the country. (???)
Blah, blah...
SO if we are going to have a conversation about this... forget the second amendment (???)... and let's get back to basics, and see what we can all agree with. (And I expect plenty of second amendment, and rights and all that... which was NOT part of the conversation at one time (???) , it was more like... ok we can all agree that felons should not have them, that's a bad idea, or the mentally insane)
And the truth is some people should not be able to LEGALLY obtain a gun... we, at least the reasonable ones, will realize yes it is the same folks... felons, mentally sick (???) ... I also realize that those well motivated to get a gun will get a Saturday Night Special... not delusional about this.
Now I would like to see certain guns not in the hands of civilians, realize those would be long arms designed to kill people (???), but that ain't gonna happen...
Blah, blah, blah...
Now there is more... one of the great misunderstandings is as to who has guns in this country. Yep, some are country hicks, with few formal education... (???) but that is SOME... most folks who own guns are well educated (???)... and even have college degrees, and are responsible owners. Oh and them country hicks have the best gun safety training ever, and their guns in some cases go back to the Civil War and they still use them for hunting (???) ... ah to use a Martini Henry (???) ... now that would be fun.
So lets get down to basics... ok...
Oh and gun control has been part of US history... it is not new, but the term has been hijacked. It truly is about certain groups being able to buy a gun or not, and certain places we all agree you should not be able to carry a gun... like the court house. or the US House.
Oh and those thinking we will get rid of guns in our culture... no way in hell. What I'd like to get rid off is the violent culture where guns are but one of many symptoms... now that is a project I can get behind.
Oh and for you hunters, good luck, make sure you eat what you kill.
Oh and stay safe, you know the drill.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6770234
One can almost believe nadinbrzezszczchski is a pen name used by Doug's ex-wife, the dumbest person on all the internets, or Sheila Jackson Lee, the dumbest person on earth.
thunder rising (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:30 AM
Wyatt Earp was all for gun control .. I guess he hated America too.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:33 AM
It was limited indeed
you could not have a gun in a town he was the sheriff off... kind of like you cannot take your gun to the Court House... or congress critters cannot take theirs to work.
And he was not against people not having guns... just not having them in a bar with alcohol.
Oh and I forgot, guns were far more expensive back then and far less common.
I was unaware that guns were rare on the frontier in the 19th century. You can learn a lot at the DUmp.
Now a true democrat checks in:
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:45 AM
The UK, OZ and lots of other countries have banned guns. So can we. You jail anyone with a gun.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:51 AM
Good luck doing that in the US
Seriously. We have the largest amount of guns OUTSIDE OF CANADA in the modern world
Guns are a symptom... riddle me this. Canada has more guns per person than the US... yet they were shocked and frightened when they got a few murders in Toronto a few years back.
Well the answer to that riddle is clear, DUmmy nadinbrzczeszhczsinski: Canada is severly short on diversity.
Let us ship them a few trainloads of diversity, and then see what happens to their murder rate.
winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:41 AM
I know a lot of liberals that have guns...
so I have never understood why liberals are always the one blamed for wanting gun control.
Wasn't it the wife of that senator that got shot ...the one that pushed for the gun laws...a republican? (I think their name was Brady but I am not sure about that.)
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:42 AM
The brady laws are the somewhat most recent and your memory is correct.
Why they get blamed? The other. That is why?
It is part of the mythology.
I have no idea what she is trying to say, but thought it was interesting that the DUmp has promoted James Brady to the senate.
baldguy (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 12:45 AM
The problem is that most gun owners are NOT responsible.
If they were, they wouldn't have any problem with taking steps to ensure criminals did not have access to firearms. They would advocate laws for universal licensing & registration - at the very minimum.
As it is, gun owners value their unnecessary privileges over the lives of their fellow citizens. That's unacceptable in a civilized country.
The DUmp is the final authority on what constitutes a civilized country.
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This entire thread is stupid beyond belief.... :hammer:
Brady was a Senator, eh. News to me....
So what if Mrs. Brady is/was a republican. She's still a NUT!
That sucking sound coming from the DUmp is the intelligence of Skinners Island being pulled into the black hole of stupidity....
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Oh my.
The primitives really went into the gutter here.
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What the DUmb****s like about guns is this:
The government has them.
What the DUmb****s don't like about guns is this:
So do we.
And, as the one gentleman who showed up outside an Obama "town hall" in Arizona with an AR slung over his shoulder indicated, we're not that afraid to use them if we need to. The DUmb****s, and their ilk in DC, are afraid that we're not afraid to use them. (It scares them shitless that that particular AR bearer is a black man, but that's another story.) They know that they're going to take the really short end of the stick when (not if, but when) this boils over into full-blown "civil unrest." By the idiot primitives saying what they do in this thread, they hope to buy some more time to get gun control implemented further . . .
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While I agree that violent felons and crazy people shouldn't have guns, there are problems with how both propositions can be implemented by a government with bad intent. On the felony side, they state can make felons out of citizens with the stroke of a pen, for instance by possession of a partially-foreign-made EBR without enough US parts in it. On the sanity side, consider the USSR and its misuse of mental hospitals to oppress political opponents, fictionally in 'A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich,' or actually in the case of Sakharov.
The power to tax or regulate is the power to destroy, in the wrong hands.
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Some powerful stupid in this one. I liked how the OP claimed to have been "readying" a lot about the subject, but in all that rambling came up with possibly three coherent sentences. For the same reason, I laughed at the statement about some gun owners actually being educated (with undergraduate degrees even!) as compared to those stupid hicks.
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While I agree that violent felons and crazy people shouldn't have guns, there are problems with how both propositions can be implemented by a government with bad intent. On the felony side, they state can make felons out of citizens with the stroke of a pen, for instance by possession of a partially-foreign-made EBR without enough US parts in it. On the sanity side, consider the USSR and its misuse of mental hospitals to oppress political opponents, fictionally in 'A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich,' or actually in the case of Sakharov.
The power to tax or regulate is the power to destroy, in the wrong hands.
It's already illegal for a felon or someone mentally ill to own a gun.
They must commit another felony by lying on a purchase form in order to buy. In the case of mentally ill, if they are willing to lie it's nearly impossible to investigate due to the overwhelming and excessive patient privacy laws. Felons are disqualified regardless of whether the crime was violent or not.
You can expect the next gun grabber effort to be an assault on the use of lead.
Democrats use environmental bullshit to attack personal liberties as well as American business activity.
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It's already illegal for a felon or someone mentally ill to own a gun.
They must commit another felony by lying on a purchase form in order to buy. In the case of mentally ill, if they are willing to lie it's nearly impossible to investigate due to the overwhelming and excessive patient privacy laws. Felons are disqualified regardless of whether the crime was violent or not.
You can expect the next gun grabber effort to be an assault on the use of lead.
Democrats use environmental bullshit to attack personal liberties as well as American business activity.
My point wasn't about whether it is or isn't illegal for a felon to own a gun, but about how easily the government can turn you into a felon. Like everyone who owned an 'Assault weapon' in New Jersey back around '91 (Including any high capacity magazines). Virtually no crimes with the so-called 'Assault weapons the year before the law was passed...a couple of hundred the year after, almost all for possession of an unregistered/unlicesned 'Assault weapon.' The only thing that had changed was the law, not the people, the weapons, or the use of them, but suddenly there was a big jump in 'Assault weapon crime.' The same thing can happen with laws totally unrelated to weapons...possession of a two-cycle motor over 15 horsepower at some point, probably...and then that lucky person would be a felon, unable to own a gun under current law. Such shifting frames of legal reference are more subtle processes than you realize.
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Oh and I forgot, guns were far more expensive back then and far less common.
:rotf:
Yeah. The Pioneers used harsh language to kill their food.
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in a country where we have over 260 million guns [...] That is more than two guns per person in the country.
Uh... there are over 300 million people in America.
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Uh... there are over 300 million people in America.
260 million / 300 million = 2
:rotf:
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Uh... there are over 300 million people in America.
He can't write a coherent sentence, do you really expect him to have math skills?
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SO if we are going to have a conversation about this... forget the second amendment (???)... and let's get back to basics, and see what we can all agree with.
He lost me right here.....yea, let's just forget about the 2nd amendment. :mental:
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The stupid is strong with this one.
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The stupid is strong with this one.
The stupid is so strong and massive in this one, it has it's own gravitational field....
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. There is a reason why I want to stay away from the Second Ammendment
Partly it has been misused as a fear element by the NRA. And it is a nice distraction from what we should be discussing.
But reality is... we need to deal with the underlying culture which is quite violent, guns or no guns... guns are a damn symptom of the problems...
And to be honest, guns are spectacular, but knives are just as effective. Ok, they have less range.
oh.....my....God.... :mental:
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. There are elements in the culture that lead to it [violence in society]
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 02:27 AM by nadinbrzezinski
From my readying it has something to do with the Borderer culture of the Scott Irish and it goes back to oh at least the 14rth century. The UK shares this with us. So yes, that underlying culture is part of the problem and how do you correct it? Or redirect it to be specific.
Poverty is part of it, but not the only answer, just as guns are not the only answer. It is multicausal and if we are to change the culture, we need to actually be willing to ask the question... What is going on, it goes well beyond guns... or poverty, or knives.
Now one of the essays I was readying today makes it even harder to do. An answer to globalization is not the rise of nationalism, but tribalism.
Yeash...it's that nasty border war the Irash had with England during the 14th century....
I was readying about it, just lasht nigh...
armueller2001 (38 posts) Wed Oct-14-09 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
76. So would you suggest
banning all firearms that fire the 7.62x39 round? What is special about the AK47 versus, say a .308 hunting rifle?
stunning.
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The stupid is so strong and massive in this one, it has it's own gravitational field....
Yep! It's the "black hole" between it's ears!
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Yep a Black Hole of stupidity for sure.
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Yep! It's the "black hole" between it's ears!
"Shallow end of the gene pool" and "Life is Hard, but life is harder when your dumb" songs come to mind