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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on October 13, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
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Oh my.
The sparkling husband primitive, who must've eaten or drank something that disagrees with him, some effect of his wife's experiments with her chemistry set:
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:35 PM
Original message
The Snowe "yes" vote makes me want to vomit
This means that, when all the bullshit is over and a final bill goes to a vote, we the people will be ****ed royally.
She makes the bill the all important bipartisan thing it was hoped by some to be. <--- extreme sarcasm
Well, now it is. That makes it all right and good. <--- more extreme sarcasm
So now everyone can sing kumbaya, hug and kiss, and be all self-congratulatory.
The Big Mo(mentum)
The Baucus Bill.
Hooray! <--- INCREDIBLY extreme sarcasm
No single payer.
No public option
No employer mandate
Everyone compelled to buy what many simply cannot afford.
The Insurance Industry free to raise costs at will.
Give me a ****ing break.
debbierlus (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
1. I agree with you. Many here argue that it must get out of committee and then changed
And, if it would be any type of real reform, it would mean COMPLETELY REWRITTEN...
Botany (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
2. calm down this is one of 5 bills
and the other 4 all have a public option
edit .... clam down
BTW what else did you expect for Snowe?
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. The other four will die
When one starts to the right of center, this is what one gets ..... a return to right of center.
This bill will be what gets passed .... if anything even gets passed at all. It would surprise me not one whit to see NO bill ever get voted on in one or both houses. Just like other times in our history.
The other four bills will go nowhere. This is it. This is the one that is the important one to those to whom it matters.
regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Oh, it will pass...
...because the insurance companies will want it to pass. It makes the situation better for them, and worse for us, than it even is now.
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Yep, *this* is the _bipartisan_ bill..
The others are all partisan and will go nowhere, by design of course.
Botany (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. there is a lot of pressure for a public option and the other ....
.... 4 bills have support. The final bill is what will come out of "mark up."
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. Three are in the House
They have to go somewhere in order for us to get a final bill at all. The Senate bill, which will have amendments, will go to conference and be reconciled with a House bill. It won't look anything like the Baucus bill, which I take it got out of committee, finally. If you don't know what you're talking about, stfu. I say that because people listen to you. You have a responsibility to get it right.
regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Yes, but the other four have no Republican votes...
...so the option will be presented: vote for this bill as is and get the 60 votes to pass cloture, or add a public option, have Snowe oppose it, and get it killed by a Republican filibuster. End result: no health care bill, and the Democrats taking a beating in 2010.
The pressure to abandon alternatives, and adopt the Baucus bill as-is, will become overwhelming.
It seems to franksolich the Democrats would take a bigger beating in 2010 if it passed.
Botany (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. only if we let them
the pressure should be put on to pass the damn thing w/ 50 votes (51 counting the veep) and if the republicans want to filibuster what 75% of what the American people want let them.
DJ13 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. this is one of 5 bills
And yet, no one hears about the other 4.
You have to see that theres a reason this bill, one of 5, is the focus of so much attention.
Hell, this isnt even the Health committee, its the FINANCE committee.
That should raise a few red flags right there.
Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. Right. People have been claiming for weeks that the Baucus bill is going nowhere
Don't worry about the Baucus bill. It won't be the Baucus bill. The Baucus bill is irrelevant and will be going away soon. I've read all these things on DU in the past few weeks and yet, here we are STILL talking about the Baucus bill and it's the Baucus bill that seems to be going the farthest in Congress.
I told people this would happen back in the primaries. They said, "don't worry about the mandate because there will be a public option and subsidies to make it affordable". I told everyone that there would not be a public option and the mandated insurance would be expensive as ****.
regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yep. That's exactly what I've been predicting for weeks...
Once Finance killed the public option, I knew Snowe would "dramatically" decide to vote for it, and that would give it the "bipartisan" aura that would make sure it was accepted as-is.
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:39 PM
Response to Original message
4. What, you expected something different?
I don't think you're that naive, Stinky..
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. Not for a moment.
But, of course, the local Apologist Brigade has told me to shut up and wait. I want my pony now. I'm a whiner. So, of course, being the compliant, spineless dumbass I am .... I waited.
And this is what we get.
Now they'll all start to tell us to wait for the outcome of Conference Committee ...... yadda yadda yadda ..... its all Kabuki.
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:47 PM
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16. Not for a moment.
But, of course, the local Apologist Brigade has told me to shut up and wait. I want my pony now. I'm a whiner. So, of course, being the compliant, spineless dumbass I am .... I waited.
And this is what we get.
Now they'll all start to tell us to wait for the outcome of Conference Committee ...... yadda yadda yadda ..... its all Kabuki.
Poor stinky, such a tool! I wonder if the wife, when skins decided to let them change their names, told him to choose something that wouldn't advertise a relationship between the two. Banned to the basement with the cat box (wonder if the cat pops his balloon animals) and not permitted to admit their connection on an anonymous site. At first I kinda pitied him, but I think I sympathize with Sparkly...can't imagine having a husband that was such an embarrassment.
Cindie
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Public option?....does that mean have the option to slap DUmmies in public?
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They call the Baucus Bill "right of center"??? Man they use way too many drugs.
Its full of taxes on medical equipment, supplies, devices, insurance policies.... all to subsidize illegal immigrants(IMO)
That of course will drive the cost of an insurance policy through the roof.
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Hey DUmpmonkeys, ever hear the phrase "Hoist with his own petard?" No? Well look it up, that's what's happening to you while you're trying to screw all the real taxpayers into paying for your vast medical care needs.
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. The other four will die
When one starts to the right of center, this is what one gets ..... a return to right of center.
This bill will be what gets passed .... if anything even gets passed at all. It would surprise me not one whit to see NO bill ever get voted on in one or both houses. Just like other times in our history.
The other four bills will go nowhere. This is it. This is the one that is the important one to those to whom it matters.
Oh, cry me a river! Call the Waaaaaaaaaaaambulance, StinkFinger! When nothing gets passed on the hill, It's a GOOD THING! The more these elite bastards complain and argue amongst themselves the better I like it! It means they don't have their grimy little mitts in my pocket!
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Oh, cry me a river! Call the Waaaaaaaaaaaambulance, StinkFinger! When nothing gets passed on the hill, It's a GOOD THING! The more these elite bastards complain and argue amongst themselves the better I like it! It means they don't have their grimy little mitts in my pocket!
Pray for gridlock
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