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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Mustang on October 04, 2009, 06:08:33 PM
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Did anyone watch Fox news Sunday?
I'm glad someone shares my sentiment about Glenn Beck.
Brett Bair asked Senator Lindsey Graham about his dislike with Glenn Beck. He responded in saying that he doesn't want to watch someone who claims to be part of the conservative movement and convinced that the Republican party has seen its best days behind us. And he was also annoyed that Glenn claimed McCain would have been worse than Obama.
I agree with Lindsey Graham. I'm proud to be a Republican and I too do not want to watch a "conservative" that claims there is no difference between the GOP and the Democrats. In fact I stopped watching Bill O'Reilly too. At this point I am so annoyed by GOP "conservative" critics and "moderates", I only watch Sean Hannity, Greta (I know she's a democrat, but she has a good show), and Rush Limbaugh.
I just worked 12 hours yesterday and 6-8 hours the past 6 days working to get Chris Christie elected Governor. In fact I urge everyone on this site to donate whatever you can afford to Chris Christie for New Jersey or Bob McDonnell for governor of Virginia. If we win both of these races, the media will run with it. It will give us great momentum for 2010 elections and probably even for 2012.
Even Rush Limbaugh took a swipe at Glenn Beck on Friday's show. Rush said people who claim that there is no difference between the two parties are pretty much delusional, conservatives need to take over the GOP, not dump it.
And yes I HATE RINO's. One of the interns at the office I work at is the biggest RINO I ever met. He makes John McCain look like Ronald Reagan in comparison. Since he has made his liberals view clear, my boss told me that he will never allow anyone to give him a job. Even though he has a master's degree in political science, my boss wants me to move up in the ranks because I'm a conservative and I work harder.
I hate moderates as much as I hate liberals. And I hate RINO's more than liberals. At this point I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the GOP is the party of RINO's. Either conservatives help us take over the party, or get out of our way and go worship some third party.
And as much as John McCain was a RINO, he wasn't that much of a RINO. At least he believed in a strong foreign policy, supported the Bush tax cuts, and was Pro-life....Glenn Beck, is John McCain worse than Obama? STFU.
And why exactly are moderates so scared of the GOP moving to the right? Are they scared of Ronald Reagan?
Oh no! Not Ronald Reagan!
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I'll side with Beck over that f'n Democrat Lite Graham.
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I'll side with Beck over that f'n Democrat Lite Graham.
I'll side with someone who still believes the Republican party is still alive, against someone who can't tell the difference between the two parties.
I guess Rush and Levin are wrong too? Or is Glenn Beck greater than Rush and Levin?
At this point, I take Glenn Beck as seriously as I do with Ron Paul.
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I've never heard Glenn Beck claim to be a Republican.
I don't trust anyone who complains about Glenn Beck. Myself, I'd like to see some public schools named after him.
If you call yourself a conservative but still find time to demean Beck, you are lying about who you are.
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The differences between the two parties has been shrinking for many years now. I've reached the point where I don't care for either party. My dislike is merely a matter of degree.
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The differences between the two parties has been shrinking for many years now. I've reached the point where I don't care for either party. My dislike is merely a matter of degree.
I agree. I haven't called myself a Republican in years. I call myself a conservative. Nowadays there is a huge difference.
I vote for Republicans because Republicans scare the hell out of liberals - and I will do anything to annoy a godless anti-American liberal.
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I've never heard Glenn Beck claim to be a Republican.
I don't trust anyone who complains about Glenn Beck. Myself, I'd like to see some public schools named after him.
If you call yourself a conservative but still find time to demean Beck, you are lying about who you are.
Wait, let me get this straight bro. Your saying I am not a conservative because I don't have the patience for Glenn Beck?
I'm pretty damn sure Rush and Levin are more conservative than Glenn. And I'm pretty damn sure Chris Christie is more conservative than Beck, considering I campaign for him. And I doubt Glenn Beck is more conservative than Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Karl Rove, who are my heroes.
yep, I guess I'm a liar.
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I agree. I haven't called myself a Republican in years. I call myself a conservative. Nowadays there is a huge difference.
So Republicans can't be conservative? What's wrong with being proud to be a Republican?
I'm as conservative as you can get. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush are not conservatives?
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yep, I guess I'm a liar.
Ok. I'll take your word for it.
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So Republicans can't be conservative? What's wrong with being proud to be a Republican?
I'm as conservative as you can get. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush are not conservatives?
Reagan was, Bush not so much.........
IMO.
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Reagan was, Bush not so much.........
IMO.
I understand the reasons why you said that. But despite his flaws, I believe W. was a great president.
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I think Glenn's words are being twisted and that the truth hurts. And Glenn has said time and again that he's not a Republican. I would call him a pissed off moderate.
True conservatives (like myself) know that the GOP is in the wilderness right now. Instead of aruging that what Glenn says isn't true, conservatives who take offense to those words should take a long hard look at the GOP, it's leadership, it's message, and it's plan of action.
For grins and giggles, look at the website of the GOP http://www.gop.com/blog/Read.aspx?GUID=0105265a-f6dd-4e2f-b1c0-c8f5ecd44eac
WTF??? The new site is underway since May??? Granted there is current info on the site but this is just sloppy.
Now go look at the Dem's site. http://www.democrats.org/
I'm sorry but the other guys do a much better job at technology and reaching out to the younger generation.
This is but one of many complaints I have with my party right now. It's trivial (to some) but we have to be at the top of our game and better than the other guys at EVERYTHING in order to get our message out there and win over people.
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I understand the reasons why you said that. But despite his flaws, I believe W. was a great president.
He did a pretty good job during his 1st term. He went left in his second. Again, IMO.
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He did a pretty good job during his 1st term. He went left in his second. Again, IMO.
His first term was great. But there were still a few moments in his second term that really shined IMO.
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His first term was great. But there were still a few moments in his second term that really shined IMO.
Yeah, like a failed amnesty attempt and Tarp I?
:uhsure:
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jeeze dude...pull up your under-roos and get a grip....
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Beck is a libertarian leaning conservative. I may not agree with him on everything, but I try not to miss his show -- it is that good.
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I think Glenn's words are being twisted and that the truth hurts. And Glenn has said time and again that he's not a Republican. I would call him a pissed off moderate.
True conservatives (like myself) know that the GOP is in the wilderness right now. Instead of aruging that what Glenn says isn't true, conservatives who take offense to those words should take a long hard look at the GOP, it's leadership, it's message, and it's plan of action.
For grins and giggles, look at the website of the GOP http://www.gop.com/blog/Read.aspx?GUID=0105265a-f6dd-4e2f-b1c0-c8f5ecd44eac
WTF??? The new site is underway since May??? Granted there is current info on the site but this is just sloppy.
Now go look at the Dem's site. http://www.democrats.org/
I'm sorry but the other guys do a much better job at technology and reaching out to the younger generation.
This is but one of many complaints I have with my party right now. It's trivial (to some) but we have to be at the top of our game and better than the other guys at EVERYTHING in order to get our message out there and win over people.
As an intern of the GOP, what I can tell you is that we are 100% focused on the Governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia.
At the moment a little more resources are going towards the Virginia race because it is closer.
If we win both, the media will run with it. It will give us momentum for both 2010, and maybe cause a chain reaction all the way to 2012.
There are Republicans who have lost hope and are not bothering to vote anymore. We are trying to energize these voters in both states so we can be a stronger party. If we had more of these disenchanted republicans, both races would be in the bag.
We have a decent-good chance of winning both races.
My friends who have a high ranking in the party have told me Michael Steele is doing a good job as chairman. He is working low key, and 100% focused on securing these governor races.
Our biggest concern at the moment is that Jon Corzine is spreading lies about Christie not supporting mammograms. We lost women voters, atm we are at 4-3% lead, down from 7% lead. Considering NJ is a blue state, we predicted worse outcomes, and that Corzine is outspending us 3-1, we are doing a decent job.
From what I know from my superiors, Mitt Romney is going to do a big push for 2012, with support from Chris Christie (who would appoint him attorney general). Me personally, I think the religious right will never vote for a Mormon, so I don't think he has a prayer. Mitt Romney would run on his record of business credentials and the veto pen.
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And you get the disenchanted R's by listening to Beck :-) There's a real message underneath the hyperboble. Look at the man's rating and book sales.
And you win by taking a page out of the Dem playbook. I personally believe that we were too quick to dismiss them in 08 and look what happened. Yes, it was ludicrous on it's face that the Hopey Changey Empty Chicago Suit was "The One" but he won anyway. And look it how they did it. I'm tired of people saying that it was because of McCain, Palin, etc...those are contributing factors but not the sole reason.
I will get engergized and excited when the GOP decides to take the gloves off and go for broke. Stop trying to be the party of ideological purity and band together for cryin' out loud!!
/off soapbox :innocent:
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As an intern of the GOP, what I can tell you is that we are 100% focused on the Governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia.
At the moment a little more resources are going towards the Virginia race because it is closer.
If we win both, the media will run with it. It will give us momentum for both 2010, and maybe cause a chain reaction all the way to 2012.
There are Republicans who have lost hope and are not bothering to vote anymore. We are trying to energize these voters in both states so we can be a stronger party. If we had more of these disenchanted republicans, both races would be in the bag.
We have a decent-good chance of winning both races.
My friends who have a high ranking in the party have told me Michael Steele is doing a good job as chairman. He is working low key, and 100% focused on securing these governor races.
Our biggest concern at the moment is that Jon Corzine is spreading lies about Christie not supporting mammograms. We lost women voters, atm we are at 4-3% lead, down from 7% lead. Considering NJ is a blue state, we predicted worse outcomes, and that Corzine is outspending us 3-1, we are doing a decent job.
From what I know from my superiors, Mitt Romney is going to do a big push for 2012, with support from Chris Christie (who would appoint him attorney general). Me personally, I think the religious right will never vote for a Mormon, so I don't think he has a prayer. Mitt Romney would run on his record of business credentials and the veto pen.
damn dude...what are ya like 22? The GOP hasn't been Conservative for freakin years. And it don't look like it's headed that way any time soon....
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damn dude...what are ya like 22? The GOP hasn't been Conservative for freakin years. And it don't look like it's headed that way any time soon....
I'm 26.
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I understand the reasons why you said that. But despite his flaws, I believe W. was a great president.
Bush forgot he was Pres in late 2006 he went into cruise - most likely to prevent more of his staff from going to jail needlessly.
McCain would have been far worse then Obama.
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Bush forgot he was Pres in late 2006 he went into cruise - most likely to prevent more of his staff from going to jail needlessly.
McCain would have been far worse then Obama.
Ya got that right..
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If the republicans want to start winning elections again, they need to stop pandering to the damn left.
PERIOD.
When Republicans run on true conservative principles they usually win.
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I'm 26.
Well maybe someday you'll grow up and really know what you're talkin about.
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Bush forgot he was Pres in late 2006 he went into cruise - most likely to prevent more of his staff from going to jail needlessly.
McCain would have been far worse then Obama.
Bush had lost most of his clout with the party. His endorsement of McCain was pretty much worthless IMO.
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Well maybe someday you'll grow up and really know what you're talkin about.
Go easy Ree. He appears to be trying.
He will hopefully learn more about conservatism with a few more years under his belt.
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McCain would have been far worse then Obama.
I don't think so. McCain would have at least had a strong foreign policy.
We look weak and our positions in central Asia are weak.
And by the way, in case nobody has noticed, the Europeans are turning on Mr. Charisma dear leader.
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Go easy Ree. He appears to be trying.
He will hopefully learn more about conservatism with a few more years under his belt.
I wouldn't bet on it....
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I wouldn't bet on it....
Only time will tell. I was moderately liberal when I was a lot younger.
I out grew it.
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Where's The Fred when you need him.
(http://www.motherjones.com/files/legacy/mojoblog/fred_thompson.jpg)
I just wish he had actually run a campaign. :banghead:
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Only time will tell. I was moderately liberal when I was a lot younger.
I out grew it.
The GOP will not get Conservative until people quit votin for the "lesser of 2 evils" I refuse to do that anymore...
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Where's The Fred when you need him.
(http://www.motherjones.com/files/legacy/mojoblog/fred_thompson.jpg)
I just wish he had actually run a campaign. :banghead:
You and me both. I was so disappointed in his lack luster efforts.
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The GOP will not get Conservative until people quit votin for the "lesser of 2 evils" I refuse to do that anymore...
I hear ya.
Sooner or later they will stop running lib-lites and start running some real conservatives again. Either that or they will die the death they deserve.
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I don't think so. McCain would have at least had a strong foreign policy.
We look weak and our positions in central Asia are weak.
And by the way, in case nobody has noticed, the Europeans are turning on Mr. Charisma dear leader.
Define strong forgien policy as you see it under a mythical McCain administration.
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Where's The Fred when you need him.
(http://www.motherjones.com/files/legacy/mojoblog/fred_thompson.jpg)
I just wish he had actually run a campaign. :banghead:
Me too.
I was hoping for him to be the GOP candidate.... :bawl:
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If the republicans want to start winning elections again, they need to stop pandering to the damn left.
PERIOD.
When Republicans run on true conservative principles they usually win.
I agree 110%. Bi-partisanship should come when we clean the clock of the democrats to the point where they no choice but to bend to our will.
Total victory for the right, then we can talk about "bi-partisanship".
Define strong forgien policy as you see it under a mythical McCain administration.
At least we would have been bolstering troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Because of Obama, troops in Afghanistan died needlessly when they could have been supported BEFORE the spring and summer offensive of the taliban.
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I agree 110%. Bi-partisanship should come when we clean the clock of the democrats to the point where they no choice but to bend to our will.
Total victory for the right, then we can talk about "bi-partisanship".
Far too many elected republicans no longer even know what bi-partisanship even means these days. They've been sucking up the the left for so long that they think laying on their back and spreading their legs is being bi-partisan.
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I'll side with someone who still believes the Republican party is still alive, against someone who can't tell the difference between the two parties.
I guess Rush and Levin are wrong too? Or is Glenn Beck greater than Rush and Levin?
At this point, I take Glenn Beck as seriously as I do with Ron Paul.
I give a **** about the Republican party. They want my vote? It is THEY who should work for it. They should NOT expect it just because I'm a conservative.
Demint? Conservative. Graham? No f'n way.
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I'm a conservative first and a Republican a very distant second.
What I gathered Beck to mean when he said that MacCain would have been worse that Dear Leader is if McCain had been prez that conservatives in the R party would have felt compelled to go along with him and compromise because he's an R. Now with Dear Leader, we can openly oppose him on the issues.
McCain was too left-wing for my taste. All issues being the same, we might agree 80% on the time. But all issues are not the same, some are more important than others. Of the 20% of which we disagree, that portion compromises about 80% of what I believe is really important. I voted for him in 2008 mainly as a vote against Dear Leader, but if he or Graham or some other candidate I consider to be a RINO is nominated again, I just won't get excited about wanting to support them.
And it really has nothing to do with demanding party purity, it's just that I see no reason to continue to compromise my conservative values. To me, it's like being told I've got to jump out of a plane without a parachute, and I get to choose between jumping from 10,000 feet (McCain) or 10,001 feet (Dear Leader). Either way, things aren't looking to turn out so great.
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BTW, dipshit Obama IS better than McCain. Why? People are waking the hell up and the American people are no longer the frogs in incrementally-raised water. Thank GOD! they're waking up. It would have never happened with McCain. Maybe we NOW are in a time when we can take back our country from the Damn politicians.
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You and me both. I was so disappointed in his lack luster efforts.
Fred blew it. So many this last cycle put their own self-interests before their country, he is no exception.
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BTW, dipshit Obama IS better than McCain. Why? People are waking the hell up and the American people are no longer the frogs in incrementally-raised water. Thank GOD! they're waking up. It would have never happened with McCain. Maybe we NOW are in a time when we can take back our country from the damn politicians.
I see your point but is it worth 4 years of Obama? God help us if its 8 years. I don't think I can handle it.
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I'm a conservative first and a Republican a very distant second.
What I gathered Beck to mean when he said that MacCain would have been worse that Dear Leader is if McCain had been prez that conservatives in the R party would have felt compelled to go along with him and compromise because he's an R. Now with Dear Leader, we can openly oppose him on the issues.
McCain was too left-wing for my taste. All issues being the same, we might agree 80% on the time. But all issues are not the same, some are more important than others. Of the 20% of which we disagree, that portion compromises about 80% of what I believe is really important. I voted for him in 2008 mainly as a vote against Dear Leader, but if he or Graham or some other candidate I consider to be a RINO is nominated again, I just won't get excited about wanting to support them.
And it really has nothing to do with demanding party purity, it's just that I see no reason to continue to compromise my conservative values. To me, it's like being told I've got to jump out of a plane without a parachute, and I get to choose between jumping from 10,000 feet (McCain) or 10,001 feet (Dear Leader). Either way, things aren't looking to turn out so great.
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Right, I think a McCain win would have been interpreted as a mandate for a centrist GOP. We would have been forced to have a third party for conservatives. This way, the conservatives have a chance of taking back the GOP and let the Dem-Lites create their own stupid little party. :p
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I see your point but is it worth 4 years of Obama? God help us if its 8 years. I don't think I can handle it.
Is it worth 4 years of Obama if it wakes up the country concerning creeping incremental socialism?
Hell yes it is.
Obama is going full steam ahead and folks are now, after far too many years of apathetic complacency, starting to pay attention.
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Fred blew it. So many this last cycle put their own self-interests before their country, he is no exception.
Sad but true, my dear Schade.
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BTW, dipshit Obama IS better than McCain. Why? People are waking the hell up and the American people are no longer the frogs in incrementally-raised water. Thank GOD! they're waking up. It would have never happened with McCain. Maybe we NOW are in a time when we can take back our country from the Damn politicians.
That is exactly what Beck meant when he said it. I agree with who ever said that Beck is a Conservative who leans Libertarian who I heard him say that he is becoming more Libertarian every day.
'Republicans' coming after Glenn
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October 2, 2009 - 12:51 ET
GLENN: There's several things that we want to talk to you about, but I want to start here. I want to start with the reason why the Republican Party has 28% approval rating. There is this new approach. David Brooks in the New York Times has an article called The Wizard of Beck. It's not about me. In fact, I'm not even mentioned in it until, like, 3/4 of the way down. Let's take a trip back into history. Not ancient history. Recent history. It's the winter 2007. Primaries are approaching. The talk jocks like Limbaugh, Beck, Sean Hannity, the rest are over the moon about Fred Thompson. I don't remember being over the moon about Fred Thompson.
STU: You don't remember the just hours and hours we dedicated to the possibility and happiness of Fred Thompson.
GLENN: I said I like him, he is the kind of guy, he seems to have common sense, but he didn't have any fire in the belly at all. They were weak in the knees at the thought of Mitt Romney. Meanwhile they were hurling torrents of abuse at the unreliable deviationists John McCain and Mike Huckabee. Yep, both progressives. Yet somehow despite the fervor of the great microphone giants, Thompson campaign flops like a fish. Despite a schoolgirl delight from the radio studios, the Romney campaign underperforms. Meanwhile Huckabee surges, Limbaugh attacks him, but social conservatives flock. I'm sorry, it's I'm tired. Along comes New Hampshire and McCain wins. Republican voters have not heeded their masters in the media. As I read this, I just want you to keep in mind one thing for me. Remember the talk radio industry is so powerful that the government must silence us. We are whipping people up into a frenzy and you will kill people because we tell you to. Remember that. You will kill people because we tell you to. South Carolina looms as a crucial point of the race. The contest is effectively between Romney and McCain. The talk jocks now are spittle flecked furor, day after day whole programs dedicated to hurling abuse to McCain and everybody ever associated with him. The jocks are threatening to unleash their angry millions.
I think if John McCain I'm not going to go there 6789 yet the imaginary armies do not materialize. McCain wins the South Carolina primary and goes on to win the nomination. The talk jocks can't even deliver the conservative voters who show up at the Republican primaries. They can't even deliver South Carolina.
So what is the theme of our history lesson? This is again the New York Times. It is a story of remarkable volume and utter weakness. Remember, if we tell you don't just vote for somebody. Kill somebody. We are so powerful that we just skip over the part where you'll go and vote for somebody we tell you to, that you'll go right to kill someone we tell you to and not even tell you, just kind of hint apparently at it without even hinting.
STU: Very subtly.
GLENN: So subtly.
STU: And subconsciously that we don't it's so subtle we don't say it.
GLENN: It's a story that's as old as the Wizard of Oz. The grand illusions and small men behind the curtain. But, of course, we shouldn't be surprised by this story. Over the past few years the talk jocks have demonstrated their real world weakness time and again. Back in 2006 they threatened to build a new majority of antiimmigration fervor.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What is the approval rating of the Republican Party?
STU: Oh, God, it's got to be north of 25% at this point. What was that example you just stated there in 2006?
GLENN: I don't remember, something antiimmigration.
STU: So you're saying that because I remember when they passed that huge immigration reform bill, remember that when that went through the house and the Senate and was signed by the president?
GLENN: No.
STU: No, no. Oh, wait a minute.
GLENN: In 2008 after McCain had won the nomination, Limbaugh turned his attention to the Democratic race. He commanded his followers commanded his followers to vote in the Democratic primaries for Hillary Clinton because we need Barack Obama bloodied up politically. Todd Donovan of western Washington University looked at the data from 38 states and could find no strong evidence that significant numbers of people actually did what Limbaugh commanded. Remember, kill those we don't talk about. Rush blared the trumpets but few dittoheads advanced. Over the years I have asked many politicians what happens when Limbaugh and his colleagues attack. The story's always the same. Hundreds of calls come in. The receptionists are miserable but the numbers back home do not move. There is no effect on the favorability rating or the reelection prospects. The media world, he is a giant. But in the real world he is not. But this is not merely a story of weakness. It is a story of resilience. For no matter how long or how often their hollowness is exposed, the jocks still reweave the myth of their own power.
I just, I just want to point out here I believe this is the New York Times pointing out that they think someone is too self important.
STU: Who was doing that?
GLENN: That would be the New York Times.
STU: Hmmm. Hmmm.
GLENN: But they still ride the airwaves claiming to speak for millions. They confuse listeners with voters, and they are aided in this endeavor by their enablers. They are enabled by cynical Democrats.
Remember this. They are enabled by cynical Democrats, who love to claim that Rush Limbaugh controls the G.O.P. They are enabled by lazy pundits who find it easy to argue with showmen rather than people whose opinions are based on knowledge. So now Rush Limbaugh doesn't have opinions based in knowledge.
STU: Sounds like David Brooks is having a tough time booking TV gigs.
GLENN: They are enabled by the slightly educated snobs who believe that Glenn Beck really is the voice of middle America. So if you are if you are Rush Limbaugh, you have who just listen to your opinions even though your opinions are not based in knowledge. And if you are enabling me, otherwise known as listening to me, you are only a slightly educated snob that thinks that my voice is the voice of middle America.
STU: And I love how you're claiming to speak for millions. I didn't check the New York Times best seller list but I'm sure, pretty sure David Brooks isn't at the top of two of the categories. I'm mildly sure that David Brooks isn't there. But he's speaking for he's the one with the knowledge.
GLENN: I'm not speaking for millions.
STU: No, you are speaking for you.
GLENN: Yeah, anytime everybody who's ever gone to any of my shows or anything else, people will say, you know, Glenn, thanks for your voice, thanks for speaking out for us. I'm not speaking out for you. I am speaking out as a dad. I am speaking for me, period.
Now, you can go ahead and make that into something selfish. See, he is selfish. No, that's our job. We all speak for ourselves. That is our job as citizens of this republic. We speak out for ourselves.
STU: And that's what the tea parties were.
GLENN: Man.
STU: Tens and tens and thousands of people all around the country in different spots speaking out for themselves, not following you like a zombie, speaking for themselves and their families.
GLENN: So the myth returns. Just months after the election and humiliation, everyone is convinced that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the rest possess real power. And the satis we have no power! We have no power, none! I could be on the air, and believe me, I was warning people. I met one person last night who said, Glenn, thank you for saving my 401(k). I listened to you a year and a half ago; thank you for saving my 401(k). One.
STU: I work for you and my 401(k) is destroyed.
GLENN: Yes. I couldn't change anybody's mind. Nobody would do it. If people don't if they're not already feeling it in their own selves, I can say anything and they are not going to do it. If I happen to say things that ring true to them, then it moves. Trust me, as a guy who nobody everybody was saying I was crazy. I have absolutely no power. If the Van Jones thing didn't make sense to you, you wouldn't have risen up. You wouldn't have done anything. But I throw out this crazy theory. Remember, that was the first thing: Oh, this is a crazy theory. Oh, now he's going off and hunting for remember how crazy it was at first? But then it started to take traction. Why? Because it's crazy? Or because you knew it to be true? None of the other answers made any sense. And their silence spoke volumes. So now what happened? Van Jones is out. ACORN is under investigation. The NEA still hasn't been cleaned up, but I believe they fired two people, haven't they? But the trail leads back to Valerie Jarrett. But the problem is, the problem is Americans have a long way to go. I spend hours and hours and hours on this stuff. I still don't understand you've got a life. How long's it going to take before the average American really understands what's going on, especially with clowns like David Brooks who is just trying to save the party? Forget the party, David. Read some George Washington. I'm sorry. Is that a slightly educated snobbish thing to say? Or is that just something that somebody says when they base everything on anything but knowledge? The parties are what's destroying us. And yet, this, it almost seems coordinated. It almost seems coordinated.
Listen to this. These people pay more attention to Rush Limbaugh's imaginary millions than to the real voters down on the street. The Republican Party is unpopular because it is more interested in pleasing Rush's ghosts than actual people. The party is leaderless right now because no one has the guts to step outside the rigid parameters enforced by the radio jocks and create a new party identity. The party is losing because it has adopted a raid no entertainer's niche building strategy.
STU: Didn't you just say that John McCain won the nomination? Wasn't that part of your same column here, David, where you just discussed how the moderate guy, the wishy washy guy John McCain was the nominee just lost? Wasn't that you in the same column pointing that out?
GLENN: These guys are so intellectually Swiss cheese that it is unbelievable that they have held a job for this long.
STU: That is all
GLENN: This is the capitalist system at work. These guys held a job because they had a good idea back, I don't know when, turn of the century, last century, and they rode on that good idea for a very long time and now it doesn't work anymore. And everybody's looking at you like, what, are you joking? What, are you this stupid? And yet Lindsey Graham comes out and Lindsey Graham gives a talk yesterday to, I guess this is a bunch of Republicans he's speaking to? There are a lot of things I'll wear as a badge of honor. Lindsey Graham hating my guts is probably the highest honor I've ever received. Judge me by my friends and judge me by my enemies. Thank you, Lindsey Graham.
Listen quickly what Lindsey Graham said. And tie it to the same kind of thinking here as the New York Times and David Brooks.
Related Video: Sen. Graham comments
GRAHAM: Think of Glenn Beck. Only in America can you make that much money crying.
STU: (Laughing). Oh, Lindsey.
GRAHAM: I mean, you know what I think of Rush Limbaugh? Well, I think he makes hundreds of millions of dollars being able to talk on the radio for three hours a day. Well, it is what it is, but here's what I worry about. How many people in my business are going to be controlled by what's said on the radio or in TV commercials?
GLENN: Gee, this sounds like David Brooks.
GRAHAM: Base politics is what we're talking about. Getting out of your comfort zone and modern American politics comes at a great risk because there are so many people always trying to reel you in. Glenn Beck is not aligned with any party as far as I can tell.
GLENN: Thank you.
GRAHAM: He's aligned with cynicism.
GLENN: Excuse me?
STU: What word was that?
GRAHAM: And there's always been a word for cynicism. We became a great nation not because we're a nation of cynics. We game a great nation because we're a nation of believers that on the other side of the mountain is worth going to look at.
GLENN: Yes.
GRAY: We've become a
STU: It's amazing. Isn't this the guy, how much time how many times have you cried on the air in the last year? Two?
GLENN: I don't know. Doesn't matter. Listen to me. He says that I'm a cynic. I'm an optimist. I just happen to believe in the people. I happen to believe I'm not an optimist because of our compromise. Lindsey Graham is a guy who compromises on every single value we have. Every single, every single principle we've ever had, he'll compromise away. Well, you know what that gets you? That doesn't get you across the mountain. That gets you killed. A giant avalanche comes because you're like, what, what? I just compromised. What? We can cross the mountains in January. Sure, we started, we wanted to do knit August, but I compromised. That's when everything comes crashing down on your head. Thank you, Lindsey Graham. Thank you. And David Brooks, you guys are going to lead us to a very bright future of bankruptcy.
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Is it worth 4 years of Obama if it wakes up the country concerning creeping incremental socialism?
Hell yes it is.
Obama is going full steam ahead and folks are now, after far too many years of apathetic complacency, starting to pay attention.
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Beck is spot on, IMHO. Republicans are no longer conservative. 40% increase in gov't growth under Bush? Spending like drunken sailors? Proponents of global warming, TARP, many supporting socialized healthcare, Patriot Act?
The Republicans are no longer a conservative party. Holding allegience to a party rather than ideals is a very dangerous position to be in, and one of the reasons we are exactly where we are.
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Beck is spot on, IMHO. Republicans are no longer conservative. 40% increase in gov't growth under Bush? Spending like drunken sailors? Proponents of global warming, TARP, many supporting socialized healthcare, Patriot Act?
The Republicans are no longer a conservative party. Holding allegience to a party rather than ideals is a very dangerous position to be in, and one of the reasons we are exactly where we are.
Well said and welcome aboard.
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I'm sorry people, but I side with Rush, not Glenn the decadent Liberaltarian. Good God NO.
Like Rush says-- take over the GOP, don't dump it.
The religious right has a strong grip on the party, in fact they have their teeth sinked into it.
They wont turn out and energize the base without a conservative candidate.
If we watched the primaries last year, Mike Huckabee took the entire religious right vote, a popular governor who was a former preacher.
If Obama's poll numbers are low come election season. The GOP candidate who wins the religious right vote will win the primaries.
Blood will be in water, the sharks will come.
If Obama's poll numbers are hovering about 50%, we might get another RINO.
Glenn Beck is not going to revitalize the Republican party, the religious right will. He's an alarmist with no direction.
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Glenn Beck is not going to revitalize the Republican party.
You're spot-on...
But it's also not his intention to revitalize a "Party." Parties killed this country. Ideals, involvement and movements are Beck's focus.
Think about it for a while. What has the GOP done in the last - oh - 40 years to preserve your freedoms, uphold COTUS, reduce the size of gov't or end entitlement?
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Well said and welcome aboard.
Thx. Lurked for a while. I'm an opinionated, uber conservative/Libertarian, a-hole. Be warned. :-)
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You keep talking about Beck and the R party. The two are unrelated.
Beck is just pointing out how party politics has all too often taken the place of just doing the right thing. With that I agree.
Beck's got the libs angry, which means what he's saying worries them. Hope he keeps it up.
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Ok....
I haven't listened to Beck a whole lot in recent weeks.
When did he say dump the Republican party?
What's this "religious right" crap? Do you mean folks that are conservatives that also happen to believe in the Christian God?
Son, conservatives are conservatives. They stand by and live by a certain set of conservative principles. Not all conservatives are religious, not by a long shot.
But even if they were... that wouldn't be a bad thing.
I bet I could write a pretty good thesis tying the decline of the republic with the reduction of folks going to church on a regular basis since this country was founded. But that's a conversation best suited for another thread.
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I bet I could write a pretty good thesis tying the decline of the republic with the reduction of folks going to church on a regular basis since country was founded. But that's a conversation best suited for another thread.
I would tend to agree with this based only on casual observation. However, I don't think the two, as you earlier mentioned, are dependent upon the other. I'm very - VERY - fiscally conservative, socially confused (tend towards libertarian, but still have some "issues" that I find difficult to turn a blind eye towards), and generally right leaning. I think we've tended towards the left as we've started to worship ourselves more, become morally relatively, found more solice in PC and gray than in right and wrong. I also think you can't be a strong fiscal conservative and social liberal - financially they don't mix.
But overall, religion does not define/drive conservative politices anymore than conservative politics define religion, IMHO.
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Did anyone watch Fox news Sunday?
I'm glad someone shares my sentiment about Glenn Beck.
Brett Bair asked Senator Lindsey Graham about his dislike with Glenn Beck. He responded in saying that he doesn't want to watch someone who claims to be part of the conservative movement and convinced that the Republican party has seen its best days behind us. And he was also annoyed that Glenn claimed McCain would have been worse than Obama.
I agree with Lindsey Graham. I'm proud to be a Republican and I too do not want to watch a "conservative" that claims there is no difference between the GOP and the Democrats. In fact I stopped watching Bill O'Reilly too. At this point I am so annoyed by GOP "conservative" critics and "moderates", I only watch Sean Hannity, Greta (I know she's a democrat, but she has a good show), and Rush Limbaugh.
I just worked 12 hours yesterday and 6-8 hours the past 6 days working to get Chris Christie elected Governor. In fact I urge everyone on this site to donate whatever you can afford to Chris Christie for New Jersey or Bob McDonnell for governor of Virginia. If we win both of these races, the media will run with it. It will give us great momentum for 2010 elections and probably even for 2012.
Even Rush Limbaugh took a swipe at Glenn Beck on Friday's show. Rush said people who claim that there is no difference between the two parties are pretty much delusional, conservatives need to take over the GOP, not dump it.
And yes I HATE RINO's. One of the interns at the office I work at is the biggest RINO I ever met. He makes John McCain look like Ronald Reagan in comparison. Since he has made his liberals view clear, my boss told me that he will never allow anyone to give him a job. Even though he has a master's degree in political science, my boss wants me to move up in the ranks because I'm a conservative and I work harder.
I hate moderates as much as I hate liberals. And I hate RINO's more than liberals. At this point I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the GOP is the party of RINO's. Either conservatives help us take over the party, or get out of our way and go worship some third party.
And as much as John McCain was a RINO, he wasn't that much of a RINO. At least he believed in a strong foreign policy, supported the Bush tax cuts, and was Pro-life....Glenn Beck, is John McCain worse than Obama? STFU.
And why exactly are moderates so scared of the GOP moving to the right? Are they scared of Ronald Reagan?
Oh no! Not Ronald Reagan!
Hi,
On this issue we will have to disagree. While I do not always agree with Glenn Beck, he is right that we have been moving toward socialism under both parties, just at a faster rate with the libs. I feel like the Republican party left me, not vice-versa. If it were true to conservative principals, why the hell would McCain be nominated? Why did Bush not do something about illegal immigration? Why did Bush go along with the first bail out?
I truly distrust the democrat party; but must also say that since Reagan, the Republicans have let me down too many times.
regards,
5412
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I would tend to agree with this based only on casual observation. However, I don't think the two, as you earlier mentioned, are dependent upon the other. I'm very - VERY - fiscally conservative, socially confused (tend towards libertarian, but still have some "issues" that I find difficult to turn a blind eye towards), and generally right leaning. I think we've tended towards the left as we've started to worship ourselves more, become morally relatively, found more solice in PC and gray than in right and wrong. I also think you can't be a strong fiscal conservative and social liberal - financially they don't mix.
But overall, religion does not define/drive conservative politices anymore than conservative politics define religion, IMHO.
You will find that most of us conservatives here are not PC.
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Ok....
I haven't listened to Beck a whole lot in recent weeks.
When did he say dump the Republican party?
What's this "religious right" crap? Do you mean folks that are conservatives that also happend to believe in the Christian God?
Son, conservatives are conservatives. They stand by and live by a certain set of conservative principles. Not all conservatives are religious, not by a long shot.
But even if they were... that wouldn't be a bad thing.
I bet I could write a pretty good thesis concerning the decline of the replublic and the reduction of folks going to church on a regular basis since country was founded. But that's a conversation best suited for another thread.
I like my job. I like my candidate for governor (and so does my priest), and when I get home after an enjoyable but hard day of work, I have to turn off my TV at 2am, because Beck makes me want to puke. Ann Coulter, Laura Ingrahm, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Karl Rove, these are people that I enjoy and are worth my time. Beck just irritates me with his broad paint brush of what the Republican party is. I just can't watch him anymore.
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You will find that most of us conservatives here are not PC.
I know no true conservative who is PC. :cheersmate:
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I like my job. I like my candidate for governor (and so does my priest), and when I get home after an enjoyable but hard day of work, I have to turn off my TV at 2am, because Beck makes me want to puke. Ann Coulter, Laura Ingrahm, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Karl Rove, these are people that I enjoy and are worth my time. Beck just irritates me with his broad paint brush of what the Republican party is. I just can't watch him anymore.
I don't know you, so please feel free to tell me to jump out of a first floor window...
But where is he wrong?
What's more important - the party or the ideals?
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Hi,
On this issue we will have to disagree. While I do not always agree with Glenn Beck, he is right that we have been moving toward socialism under both parties, just at a faster rate with the libs. I feel like the Republican party left me, not vice-versa. If it were true to conservative principals, why the hell would McCain be nominated? Why did Bush not do something about illegal immigration? Why did Bush go along with the first bail out?
I truly distrust the democrat party; but must also say that since Reagan, the Republicans have let me down too many times.
regards,
5412
Exactly. Period.
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I like my job.
Good for you. It's always better to work at a job that you like than one you don't. BTW... Do you get paid for your work as an intern?
I like my candidate for governor (and so does my priest),
I should hope the hell so, since you are working to get them elected. I could care less about your priest's approval unless he posts here.
and when I get home after an enjoyable but hard day of work, I have to turn off my TV at 2am, because Beck makes me want to puke.
You only get 1 channel on your TV?
Ann Coulter, Laura Ingrahm, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Karl Rove, these are people that I enjoy and are worth my time.
Good for you. I like them too.
Beck just irritates me with his broad paint brush of what the Republican party is. I just can't watch him anymore.
Beck is spot on when it comes to his assessment of the current republican party.
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I don't know you, so please feel free to tell me to jump out of a first floor window...
But where is he wrong?
What's more important - the party or the ideals?
I'd like to see an answer to that too.
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I would tend to agree with this based only on casual observation. However, I don't think the two, as you earlier mentioned, are dependent upon the other. I'm very - VERY - fiscally conservative, socially confused (tend towards libertarian, but still have some "issues" that I find difficult to turn a blind eye towards), and generally right leaning. I think we've tended towards the left as we've started to worship ourselves more, become morally relatively, found more solice in PC and gray than in right and wrong. I also think you can't be a strong fiscal conservative and social liberal - financially they don't mix.
But overall, religion does not define/drive conservative politices anymore than conservative politics define religion, IMHO.
OK... Maybe we can get you squared away on some of those social issue.
Which ones are you confused about?
:uhsure:
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OK... Maybe we can get you squared away on some of those social issue.
Which ones are you confused about?
:uhsure:
Likely a different thread, but I bounce back and forth between the true "libertarian" stance of live/let live on the social issues and the conservative in me who truly believes in traditional values. Pick an issue, I likely have argued both sides with myself, successfully. Regardless, I firmly believe you cannot be a (successful) fiscal conservative and social liberal - I believe they are in conflict.
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I'm sorry people, but I side with Rush, not Glenn the decadent Liberaltarian. Good God NO.
Like Rush says-- take over the GOP, don't dump it.
The religious right has a strong grip on the party, in fact they have their teeth sinked into it.
They wont turn out and energize the base without a conservative candidate.
If we watched the primaries last year, Mike Huckabee took the entire religious right vote, a popular governor who was a former preacher.
If Obama's poll numbers are low come election season. The GOP candidate who wins the religious right vote will win the primaries.
Blood will be in water, the sharks will come.
If Obama's poll numbers are hovering about 50%, we might get another RINO.
Glenn Beck is not going to revitalize the Republican party, the religious right will. He's an alarmist with no direction.
I think of Glenn Beck as more of a John Stossel type who warns us of Government corruption (on both sides) as well as someone who is trying to remind us of how he feels our founding fathers saw this country. If he is just an alarmist then why has his actions brought about actual change? Think of the czars/advisors (Van Jones "resigned" and the others that are soon to follow), the NEA as well as shining the light on Acorn (even way before the pimp/ho tapes came out), etc. Would you know any of the inner workings of ACORN other than their voter fraud or Obama's connections to all his czars/advisors? Would you know about Valerie Jarrett or the real reason Obama went to pimp the office of the Presidency for the Olympics? For someone you label an alarmist, he sure has done more to damage the "progressive cause" than any single republican senator or congressman in the short time he has had his show on fox.
Have you ever sat down and watched his show from beginning to end? Yes he is a bit quirky, yes he wears his emotions on his sleeve but he believes everything he says with conviction. When I first started listening to him a few years ago I will admit that he scared the hell out of me frequently. I think I wasn't ready to accept that I didn't belong to the Republican party. The only other option would be the democrats and that isn't going to happen so when I woke up and realized that I don't have to belong to any one party I felt free. I would love to call myself a Republican again if the Republicans get their shit together. For now I label myself a conservative libertarian.
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Good for you. It's always better to work at a job that you like than one you don't. BTW... Do you get paid for your work as an intern?
I should hope the hell so, since you are working to get them elected. I could care less about your priest's approval unless he posts here.
You only get 1 channel on your TV?
Good for you. I like them too.
Beck is spot on when it comes to his assessment of the current republican party.
1. No
2. I like my priest's opinions. In fact I like to hear anyone's view on politics.
3. I only watch Fox News Channel or watch movies I get from netflix. All other TV sucks and not worth my time.
4. Ditto
5. Beck has his priorities screwed up.
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Likely a different thread, but I bounce back and forth between the true "libertarian" stance of live/let live on the social issues and the conservative in me who truly believes in traditional values. Pick an issue, I likely have argued both sides with myself, successfully. Regardless, I firmly believe you cannot be a (successful) fiscal conservative and social liberal - I believe they are in conflict.
Damn... I'd like to pursue this, but I don't want to derail the thread.
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Damn... I'd like to pursue this, but I don't want to derail the thread.
Start a new one: BKG on the hot seat: social issues. :-)
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Likely a different thread, but I bounce back and forth between the true "libertarian" stance of live/let live on the social issues and the conservative in me who truly believes in traditional values. Pick an issue, I likely have argued both sides with myself, successfully. Regardless, I firmly believe you cannot be a (successful) fiscal conservative and social liberal - I believe they are in conflict.
I think I just met my doppelganger.
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1. No
2. I like my priest's opinions. In fact I like to hear anyone's view on politics.
3. I only watch Fox News Channel or watch movies I get from netflix. All other TV sucks and not worth my time.
4. Ditto
5. Beck has his priorities screwed up.
Please feel free to expand on the bolded portion. What, according to your opinion, should his priorities be?
Speaking of having confused priorities... who in their right mind works for free? Especially at your age. Who is paying your bills?
I am under the assumption that the job you like is your internship with the GOP. If I am incorrect please correct me.
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5. Beck has his priorities screwed up.
Can you elaborate?
EDIT: too slow.
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I think I just met my doppelganger.
I had to look that up! :lmao: :lmao:
This part concerns me: "Believed to be an omen of death if one was ever to see their Doppelgänger." :(
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Start a new one: BKG on the hot seat: social issues. :-)
Done deal:
link (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,34632.0.html)
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I had to look that up! :lmao: :lmao:
This part concerns me: "Believed to be an omen of death if one was ever to see their Doppelgänger." :(
:p
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I think of Glenn Beck as more of a John Stossel type who warns us of Government corruption (on both sides) as well as someone who is trying to remind us of how he feels our founding fathers saw this country. If he is just an alarmist then why has his actions brought about actual change? Think of the czars/advisors (Van Jones "resigned" and the others that are soon to follow), the NEA as well as shining the light on Acorn (even way before the pimp/ho tapes came out), etc. Would you know any of the inner workings of ACORN other than their voter fraud or Obama's connections to all his czars/advisors? Would you know about Valerie Jarrett or the real reason Obama went to pimp the office of the Presidency for the Olympics? For someone you label an alarmist, he sure has done more to damage the "progressive cause" than any single republican senator or congressman in the short time he has had his show on fox.
Have you ever sat down and watched his show from beginning to end? Yes he is a bit quirky, yes he wears his emotions on his sleeve but he believes everything he says with conviction. When I first started listening to him a few years ago I will admit that he scared the hell out of me frequently. I think I wasn't ready to accept that I didn't belong to the Republican party. The only other option would be the democrats and that isn't going to happen so when I woke up and realized that I don't have to belong to any one party I felt free. I would love to call myself a Republican again if the Republicans get their shit together. For now I label myself a conservative libertarian.
Thank you, dear. You said everything my pained fingers didn't want to type. You have earned the Undies Appreciation Award.
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Thank you, dear. You said everything my pained fingers didn't want to type. You have earned the Undies Appreciation Award.
I think I should get an Undies Life Time Achievement Award. :-*
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:p
LOL. :-)
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Please feel free to expand on the bolded portion. What, according to your opinion, should his priorities be?
Speaking of having confused priorities... who in their right mind works for free? Especially at your age. Who is paying your bills?
I am under the assumption that the job you like is your internship with the GOP. If I am incorrect please correct me.
Yes I work for free for the GOP.
My boss, who is in charge of 5 counties, assures me that I will have a job with the GOP within 3 months or possibly if we win the election.
I have other means of income as well. And yes my job is working as an intern for the GOP, I work 6 days a week.
And I graduated college a year ago, I have a BFA in painting.
Rush is much more concerned with the big picture. Crushing the democrats and liberals through means of media and voting.
Beck just wants everyone to be pissed off and protest.
Remember that story I told you about that professor I had?
IMO, protesting can only get you so far with some media attention. It's much more effective to infiltrate the system and change it from within.
Protesting = :banghead:
Setting the agenda = :uhsure:
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Yes I work for free for the GOP.
My boss, who is in charge of 5 counties, assures me that I will have a job with the GOP within 3 months or possibly if we win the election.
I have other means of income as well. And yes my job is working as an intern for the GOP, I work 6 days a week.
And I graduated college a year ago, I have a BFA in painting.
Rush is much more concerned with the big picture. Crushing the democrats and liberals through means of media and voting.
Beck just wants everyone to be pissed off and protest.
Remember that story I told you about that professor I had?
IMO, protesting can only get you so far with some media attention. It's much more effective to infiltrate the system and change it from within.
Protesting = :banghead:
Setting the agenda = :uhsure:
Not sure I'm following how Beck is wrong here... or on what.
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I think of Glenn Beck as more of a John Stossel type who warns us of Government corruption (on both sides) as well as someone who is trying to remind us of how he feels our founding fathers saw this country. If he is just an alarmist then why has his actions brought about actual change? Think of the czars/advisors (Van Jones "resigned" and the others that are soon to follow), the NEA as well as shining the light on Acorn (even way before the pimp/ho tapes came out), etc. Would you know any of the inner workings of ACORN other than their voter fraud or Obama's connections to all his czars/advisors? Would you know about Valerie Jarrett or the real reason Obama went to pimp the office of the Presidency for the Olympics? For someone you label an alarmist, he sure has done more to damage the "progressive cause" than any single republican senator or congressman in the short time he has had his show on fox.
Have you ever sat down and watched his show from beginning to end? Yes he is a bit quirky, yes he wears his emotions on his sleeve but he believes everything he says with conviction. When I first started listening to him a few years ago I will admit that he scared the hell out of me frequently. I think I wasn't ready to accept that I didn't belong to the Republican party. The only other option would be the democrats and that isn't going to happen so when I woke up and realized that I don't have to belong to any one party I felt free. I would love to call myself a Republican again if the Republicans get their shit together. For now I label myself a conservative libertarian.
I like the fact that he goes after Obama's adminstration and the Progressive movement.
But he annoys me with his every politician and political party sucks no matter what attitude, except being "libertarian".
I just feel the other conservative media stars such as Rush, Ingrahm, Coulter, Rove, Levin, etc. are much more effective at getting their message across.
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Yes I work for free for the GOP.
My boss, who is in charge of 5 counties, assures me that I will have a job with the GOP within 3 months or possibly if we win the election.
I have other means of income as well. And yes my job is working as an intern for the GOP, I work 6 days a week.
And I graduated college a year ago, I have a BFA in painting.
Rush is much more concerned with the big picture. Crushing the democrats and liberals through means of media and voting.
Beck just wants everyone to be pissed off and protest.
Remember that story I told you about that professor I had?
IMO, protesting can only get you so far with some media attention. It's much more effective to infiltrate the system and change it from within.
Protesting = :banghead:
Setting the agenda = :uhsure:
Why can't we do both? I'm pretty sure that the protests HAVE changed things. The town hall meetings have had a HUGE effect. If we didn't have either of the two I am positive that we would have that MONSTROSITY of a healthcare bill already. Besides, Beck is trying to do both, get people to wake up AND trying to change it from within. He is trying to get politicians to be "Refounders". If you don't know what it is, look it up.
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Why can't we do both? I'm pretty sure that the protests HAVE changed things. The town hall meetings have had a HUGE effect. If we didn't have either of the two I am positive that we would have that MONSTROSITY of a healthcare bill already. Besides, Beck is trying to do both, get people to wake up AND trying to change it from within. He is trying to get politicians to be "Refounders". If you don't know what it is, look it up.
Spot on, IMHO.
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Yes I work for free for the GOP.
and Beck has his priorities confused? I notice you didn't answer my question as to what YOU think they should be.
My boss, who is in charge of 5 counties, assures me that I will have a job with the GOP within 3 months or possibly if we win the election.
Did he put that in writing? Or are you niave enough to take it on faith?
I have other means of income as well.
Such as? Who is paying your bills?
And yes my job is working as an intern for the GOP, I work 6 days a week.
And I graduated college a year ago, I have a BFA in painting.
Do you recommend latex or enamel for kitchens and bathrooms? :tongue:
Rush is much more concerned with the big picture. Crushing the democrats and liberals through means of media and voting.
I have heard Beck more than once advocate voting. In addition I have heard him say go out and protest which has as much, if not more, clout than mere voting.
Beck just wants everyone to be pissed off and protest.
And that is a bad thing why?
Remember that story I told you about that professor I had?
IMO, protesting can only get you so far with some media attention. It's much more effective to infiltrate the system and change it from within.
Yeah... the whole keyboard/phone commando thing doesn't actually work in the real world that most adults live im.
Protesting = :banghead:
Setting the agenda = :uhsure:
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And you still haven't told us what, in your opionion, Beck's priorities should be. All you have to say is that they are wrong according to YOU.
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Did he put that in writing? Or are you niave enough to take it on faith?
We stopped having a conversation and have ended up on smart ass zone now.
At least I'm doing something with my time and it gives me good resume input.
WTF are you doing? sitting on your butt hoping for some magical candidate to walk by?
Now who is Nieve?
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We stopped having a conversation and have ended up on smart ass zone now.
At least I'm doing something with my time and it gives me good resume input.
WTF are you doing? sitting on your butt hoping for some magical candidate to walk by?
Now who is Nieve?
I think you should be commended for working for a politician you believe in, especially for free.
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I think you should be commended for working for a politician you believe in, especially for free.
Thank you. :bow:
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We stopped having a conversation and have ended up on smart ass zone now.
At least I'm doing something with my time and it gives me good resume input.
WTF are you doing? sitting on your butt hoping for some magical candidate to walk by?
Now who is Nieve?
My my my... pull up your underroos. I asked you a legit question.
A job offer that is NOT in writing is NOT a legit job offer.
At your age you should know this.
I've never worked for free. I have more respect for my time and effort than that.
I've asked another legit question that you refuse to answer. WHO IS PAYING YOUR BILLS? It sure ain't you if you are working for free.
Your idealism is not necessarily a bad thing, but there comes a point when it becomes niave.
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I think you should be commended for working for a politician you believe in, especially for free.
Yup... especially when someone else is paying the bills.
Personally, I've never had that luxury once I turned 18.
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My my my... pull up your underroos. I asked you a legit question.
A job offer that is NOT in writing is NOT a legit job offer.
At your age you should know this.
I've never worked for free. I have more respect for my time and effort than that.
I've asked another legit question that you refuse to answer. WHO IS PAYING YOUR BILLS? It sure ain't you if you are working for free.
Your idealism is not necessarily a bad thing, but there comes a point when it becomes niave.
Oh, for a "conservative", you sure are damn nosy about what people do with their time and income.
Is there some kind of point to your questions about my personal time that you feel the need to exploit because you have nothing better to do?
It's none of your damn business, but I have a secure income. And I will leave it at that.
I'm not going to disclose to you my financial information to prove a point that my life is worth a damn.
And you know what, brother. This is America, I will do, be, think, oppose, and support whatever the F*ck I want.
And if you want to believe in nothing because you've had one too many dissapointments, then its also your freedom to be a miserable, angry toad. (But I wouldn't recommend it.)
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Yup... especially when someone else is paying the bills.
Personally, I've never had that luxury once I turned 18.
my son has to have TWO internships to graduate college and neither of them will be paid. Oh and he is 20.
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my son has to have TWO internships to graduate college and neither of them will be paid. Oh and he is 20.
Considering I have 0 valuable work experience. And I can't get a decent job to get experience, I have no choice but to work for free.
It's either that or go back to working at a warehouse...
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Considering I have 0 valuable work experience. And I can't get a decent job to get experience, I have no choice but to work for free.
It's either that or go back to working at a warehouse...
I was defending you. :p
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Oh, for a "conservative", you sure are damn nosy about what people do with their time and income.
Is there some kind of point to your questions about my personal time that you feel the need to exploit because you have nothing better to do?
It's none of your damn business, but I have a secure income. And I will leave it at that.
I'm not going to disclose to you my financial information to prove a point that my life is worth a damn.
And you know what, brother. This is America, I will do, be, think, oppose, and support whatever the F*ck I want.
Ok. I get get.
You ain't paying your own bills.
That tells me a bit.
You can't make your own ****ing way and are content to let others support you. (a lot of liberals do that shit too)
You are a conservative my ass. Conservatives pay their own way under their own efforts. (But you don't, do you Mr. GOP supporter?)
Get a real ****ing job for a few years and get back to me ok sweet pea? One that you actually get paid to do and pay taxes on the income.
I could regale you with stories about the million $ + equipment that I was personally responsible for when I was 21. Or the multi-million $ budget I was responsible for when I was your age.
But what the ****... You are a GOP intern working for free, while someone else is paying your bills and you know every ****ing thing there is to know right?
You don don't jack shit junior.
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I was defending you. :p
I know. I was just making a point about how hard it is to get a career going these days, even with a degree.
Unless you have a PHD, degrees mean nothing. It's just a + with experience. All of my friends didn't start getting white collar careers until they were
in their late 20's/ early 30's.
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my son has to have TWO internships to graduate college and neither of them will be paid. Oh and he is 20.
Yeah... But Mustang already has his degree. A BFA in painting no less.
College required internships are not the same.
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Considering I have 0 valuable work experience. And I can't get a decent job to get experience, I have no choice but to work for free.
It's either that or go back to working at a warehouse...
You are 26 and have 0 valuable work experience?
Gee... how did that happen?
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You ain't paying your own bills.
Well I pay for most of my things--credit card, gas, food, etc.
But it really isn't your business what or what I don't pay.
You say my work is bull sh*t, but people pay for their masters.
So, do I take 40k in loans for an MFA? or do I work as an intern for a couple months to get a starting salary of $2250 a month at a job I love doing?
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You are 26 and have 0 valuable work experience?
Gee... how did that happen?
My father is a retired electrical engineer who lived with his mom until he was 29 :loser:
He inspected train and locomotive batteries for the New York Transit authority.
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My father is a retired electrical engineer who lived with his mom until he was 29 :loser:
He inspected train and locomotive batteries for the New York Transit authority.
I wasn't asking about your dad. I was asking about you.
Nice attempt to deflect.
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I wasn't asking about your dad. I was asking about you.
Nice attempt to deflect.
Driving a forklift isn't exactly valuable experience for trying to get a white collar job, now is it?
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Well I pay for most of my things--credit card, gas, food, etc.
But it really isn't your business what or what I don't pay.
You say my work is bull sh*t, but people pay for their masters.
So, do I take 40k in loans for an MFA? or do I work as an intern for a couple months to get a starting salary of $2250 a month at a job I love doing?
We have drifted and that is partially my fault. I was having fun and and went with the flow.
What has Glenn Beck been wrong about?
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Driving a forklift isn't exactly valuable experience for trying to get a white collar job, now is it?
Ain't got dick to do with the issue. I've driven a forklift on more one job. It takes skill.
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Mustang...
You keep dodging the question.
WHAT WAS BECK WRONG ABOUT?
Until you respond to this question, I don't see taking you seriously on anything.
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Mustang...
You keep dodging the question.
WHAT WAS BECK WRONG ABOUT?
Until you respond to this question, I don't see taking you seriously on anything.
When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.
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When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.
So Beck's Big Sin has nothing to do with his political facts - it's all about your opinion?
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Lindsey Graham is my senator, I voted for the S.O.B. this time around just to keep an "R" in the seat. I'll vote for a southern conservative democrat next time if I have too.
Lindsey Graham is a RINO.
....and I didn't read all 8 pages of this Lindsey Graham crap.
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Lindsey Graham is my senator, I voted for the S.O.B. this time around just to keep an "R" in the seat. I'll vote for a southern conservative democrat next time if I have too.
Lindsey Graham is a RINO.
....and I didn't read all 8 pages of this Lindsey Graham crap.
Why does everyone call him a RINO? He opposes the stimulus+healthcare bill and wants troop increase in Afghanistan.
Other than that I don't know much about the guy, he seems like a nice person when he goes on Greta.
Please explain.
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Why does everyone call him a RINO? He opposes the stimulus+healthcare bill and wants troop increase in Afghanistan.
Other than that I don't know much about the guy, he seems like a nice person when he goes on Greta.
Please explain.
Well, we could start with his involvement with the "Gang of 14" back in '05-'06.
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When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.
Beck is correct when he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." .....ALL OF US - regardless of political affiliation are getting screwed by the politicians!!!
THAT'S HIS POINT!!
Beck has set out to make people think....to question....to want answers....TO SEEK THE TRUTH....of what is going on in Washington.
And he is accomplishing that....with Van Johnson, with ACORN....with everyone connected to Obama's "tree".
Instead of putting Beck down when you don't even watch his show, Mustang....perhaps you should watch it....and then question your candidate on the points that Beck is bringing out into the open.
See if you like the answers that Christie gives you. If you don't....then you might want to question whether or not your candidate is who you really think he is.
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Beck is correct when he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." .....ALL OF US - regardless of political affiliation are getting screwed by the politicians!!!
THAT'S HIS POINT!!
Beck has set out to make people think....to question....to want answers....TO SEEK THE TRUTH....of what is going on in Washington.
And he is accomplishing that....with Van Johnson, with ACORN....with everyone connected to Obama's "tree".
Instead of putting Beck down when you don't even watch his show, Mustang....perhaps you should watch it....and then question your candidate on the points that Beck is bringing out into the open.
See if you like the answers that Christie gives you. If you don't....then you might want to question whether or not your candidate is who you really think he is.
Oh I know Christie's positions, I don't need Beck to teach me how to judge my candidate, I know how to think critically.
He is a real conservative on every issue. And he is running up against the most incompetent tax and spend liberal in the history of this state.
Like I said, Beck has done good work going after the Obama administration and the progressive movement. He just annoys me that he doesn't just focus on that.
It's really simple. I agree with Rush when he says that people who have an attitude that the Republican party is no different than the Democrats may use that as a wedge to support or form a third party, which only empowers the democrats. Rush says, what all of us conservatives should be doing is taking over the Republican party. I have noticed that it is starting to get trendy for conservatives to call themselves libertarian.
I think this trend has been started by people like Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.
To me liberaltarian means you are a conservative except on social issues (and maybe foreign policy if you are an isolationist libertarian).
I'm proud to say I am a Republican.
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I see your point but is it worth 4 years of Obama? God help us if its 8 years. I don't think I can handle it.
You're too young to remember Reagan and you weren't even around when Carter was president. Yeah, we're going that way, but mushy-middle RINO's like Pawlenty, Romney, McCain, and Graham are gonna lead us out of the wilderness? Fat chance. You want Collins and Snowe? You can have them. Me, I'll take Palin, Jindal, DeMint, and those conservatives.
BTW--I also worked for the local GOP for all candidates, not just McCain, but also Sununu, Bradley (against Che-Porter), and Kenney for Governor. By FAR, the largest comment I heard from people was that they weren't Republicans anymore as much as they were CONSERVATIVE. Why vote for the Republican when they're no different than the Democrats?
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Driving a forklift isn't exactly valuable experience for trying to get a white collar job, now is it?
Something wrong with driving a forklift? I'm a wire-biter by trade, and do pretty damn well at it. Good money, too--if you don't mind being out in the weather a good chunk of the time, especially during the dead of winter.
Get over yourself. There's nothing wrong with making a living with your hands, which is something the country-club RINO's seem to have forgotten. Which is also another reason why the GOP is representing PEOPLE less and less these days.
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When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.
Uh, no, it doesn't. Look up the term, "Reagan Democrats."
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When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.
I think Beck is nuttier than squirrel shit but he makes me laugh my ass off on those days I do listen to him.
I have always interpreted his statement that it doesn't matter if your dem or GOP to mean tha values matter more than party affiliation.
A big part of the problem with the GOPs slide is that they have abandoned conservatives to avoid criticism in the popular press. Yet, all we hear is that unless you back the party label you give the dems a win. Well, the ****ing liberals are winning regardless because we are told to shut up and get back into line with the very accomodationists who keep selling out conservatives but demand label unity. The only cure is a divorce.
Obama's virtue is that this divorce can be affected on his dime as the GOP has already suffered its biggest setback.
Had McCain won we'd be told to support our president even though he would be picking"centrist" judges, pushing more campaign finance reform, backing TARP, Son of TARP and Revenge of the TARP, Part XII, amnesty and probably healthcare reform just as devastating as the Baucus HCR plan.
Hell,Beck called McCain worse for that very reason 2 weeks after I did on this very forum. I caught a lot of heat in 2008 because once McCain won--with Huckabee's dirty dealing--I said I would sit out the election. It was only the entrance of the Alaskan MILF Coalition that got me out that 1st Tuesday in November.
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Mustang - I think you're too hung up on the labels "R", "D", and "I". You won't find a more patriotic, conservative bunch than here at CC. And yet, the majority of folks in this thread are telling you what's wrong with the political parties and you dismiss it as disloyalty.
I really admire your spunk and passion. I was the same way at your age (right around the time Rush was gaining prominence FTW). I too remember Carter (just barely) and really remember Reagan. I haven't given up on the the GOP but I certainly feel like it's given up on me sometimes.
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I'll side with someone who still believes the Republican party is still alive, against someone who can't tell the difference between the two parties.
I guess Rush and Levin are wrong too? Or is Glenn Beck greater than Rush and Levin?
At this point, I take Glenn Beck as seriously as I do with Ron Paul.
If you honestly believe that Goober Graham represents what is best in the Republican then you must think McCain was a true conservative as well.
:whatever:
Neither one represent what 99% of Republicans/Conservatives stand for.
Exhibit A - Illegal immigration
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Blind allegience to a party is what is wrong... Not Beck's position that it doesn't matter the party, it matters the character.
You said Beck is wrong because "It's my job." That gives me the impression that you don't like being under the microscope of a conservative. Whether you like it or not, I don't (I'm guessing most don't) care what your job is. I care what your character is. And you're position of "don't question the Republicans" is nearly in complete alignment with Pelosi, Reed and the Annointed one: Don't question the Democrat Party.
That's not only a very dangerous and myopic position to take, it will keep you aligned to a party, regardless of what they have done to shred the COTUS. And yes, Republicans have wiped their collected tushes with COTUS as much as Democrats, just not a visibly or overtly.
So I ask you one more time - what is Beck wrong about? If all you have is his position that the party allegience doesn't matter, you're building on a house of cards that won't stand.
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Why does everyone call him a RINO? He opposes the stimulus+healthcare bill and wants troop increase in Afghanistan.
Other than that I don't know much about the guy, he seems like a nice person when he goes on Greta.
Please explain.
He's backed President Bush's immigration "reform"...he was all for Porkulus $$$ for S.C. he fawned all over Sonia Sotomayor...backed closing Camp X-Ray...giving rights that you and I enjoy to the terrorist scum and in some cases repartiating them back to the place they were captured.
He's part of the Gang of 12 and thinks John McCain can do no wrong.
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He's backed President Bush's immigration "reform"...he was all for Porkulus $$$ for S.C. he fawned all over Sonia Sotomayor...backed closing Camp X-Ray...giving rights that you and I enjoy to the terrorist scum and in some cases repartiating them back to the place they were captured.
He's part of the Gang of 12 and thinks John McCain can do no wrong.
I would tend to agree with this. Graham has long been held up as a model Republican. But he's definitely not a conservative when it counts.
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What's Beck running for again? Maybe the politicians need to get back to listening to their conservative voters.
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I think Beck is nuttier than squirrel shit but he makes me laugh my ass off on those days I do listen to him.
He has been must see tv the past month or so -- great research every day. I don't care for his tendency for isolationism, but he is doing a decent job as of late.
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Hi again folks,
Well I am old enough to have voted for John Kennedy. To me the whole idea of party loyalts is bogus. John Kennedy, today would be more conservative than McCain. Sam Nunn appointed my son to the Naval Academy, and he was a democrat, but in today's way of thinking Sam and Zell Miller, both Georgia Democrats would be republicans. The entire south used to be staunch democrats......now it has reversed itself. The people of the south have not changed, their political leaders have. Most of America still has good, conservative values, but those that represent them seem to be few and far between.
I got really angry last week as our Governor, Charlie Crist, is running for senator in 2010. There was an article in the paper that said he has changed his position on some issues to "appear to be more conservative". What a crock! Either you are or you are not......and if you change your position just to get elected it raises two questions in my mind. First is do you have any sense of values at all? Second, once you get elected, how are you going to govern? (See Clinton, Bill, Obama, Barack as two examples)
What has happened since the late 1960's is a whole shakeup. After WWII there was a good deal of patriotism and it seemed that politicians did what was good for the country. In 1960 Mayor Dailey in Chicago fradulently stole the election for John Kennedy, flat out and blatent. I lived in Cook County, IL at the time and had friends who were poll watchers in the city. What a joke that was. The Republicans urged Nixon to contest it and he said no, it would not be good for the country.......as Al Gore should have done but boy times have changed.
One of the major evolutions has been the power of those who are the leaders of the parties. I suspect it has to do with the PAC money because if you are a democrat today, and have to ask Pelosi's permission to vote against the party line then something is dreadfully wrong. Members of congress no longer represent those that hire them; but rather the most radical of the party leaders.....or their money gets cut off and they won't get re-elected. If anything I think that is what Beck is objecting to and who can blame him....
regards,
5412
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I'm new here, but I'm stubborn...
And confused why Mustang hasn't identified anything about Beck's positions as being wrong - other than not having allegience to a party? :confused:
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I'm new here, but I'm stubborn...
And confused why Mustang hasn't identified anything about Beck's positions as being wrong - other than not having allegience to a party? :confused:
Oh I know Christie's positions, I don't need Beck to teach me how to judge my candidate, I know how to think critically.
He is a real conservative on every issue. And he is running up against the most incompetent tax and spend liberal in the history of this state.
Like I said, Beck has done good work going after the Obama administration and the progressive movement. He just annoys me that he doesn't just focus on that.
It's really simple. I agree with Rush when he says that people who have an attitude that the Republican party is no different than the Democrats may use that as a wedge to support or form a third party, which only empowers the democrats. Rush says, what all of us conservatives should be doing is taking over the Republican party. I have noticed that it is starting to get trendy for conservatives to call themselves libertarian.
I think this trend has been started by people like Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.
To me liberaltarian means you are a conservative except on social issues (and maybe foreign policy if you are an isolationist libertarian).
I'm proud to say I am a Republican.
Are you a lawyer?
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Lawyer? I should ask you, since the quoted answer doesn't actually answer the the question. You earlier said Beck is wrong - other than not supporting the GOP, where is he wrong and why?
And let me ask this - what's the difference between conservatives taking over the Republican party vs. creating a new party? Truly, other than the GOP dying, what's the difference?
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Mustang - people just want an answer to the question.
And on another note - what do you think of the 912 Project? http://www.the912project.com/the-912-2/
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Mustang - people just want an answer to the question.
And on another note - what do you think of the 912 Project? http://www.the912project.com/the-912-2/
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Mustang - people just want an answer to the question.
And on another note - what do you think of the 912 Project? http://www.the912project.com/the-912-2/
I have a nuanced answer.
Yes I like the idea of the principles of this "project", but what is he trying to achieve with it?
My question is, how does Beck want to achieve a constitutional "purity"?
Dump political parties?
Beck complains about lack of representation. What is his answer? Dump political parties?
I would suggest increasing the size of the house of representives would create more direct representation.
I believe there is a law suit in the works complaining that the current number of congressmen/women is unconstituional because they have too many constituents to represent by that one person. By increasing congress, you create greater representation that are more concerned with their constituents and lesser by lobby's. And it may decrease the number of staff per congressperson, considering each congressperson has 22 staffers.
It's not that I disagree with Beck's message, it's that I disagree with how he wants to achieve it.
He's hitting his head against the wall in the end. Rush is much more logical, which I choose to side with him over Glenn's over the top persona.
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I have a nuanced answer.
Yes I like the idea of the principles of this "project", but what is he trying to achieve with it?
My question is, how does Beck want to achieve a constitutional "purity"?
Dump political parties?
So... again.. .where is he wrong other than his lack of support for either primary party? I'm confused or simply missing it in your answer(s). What positions or issues does he have backwards?
My interpretation is that you're frustrated with him because he doesn't support the GOP, which is something you are clearly passionate about. That's *MY* interpretation based on your writings.
Increasing size of Gov't is never an answer. I think we'd be better off with the end to redistricting BS, personally.
What have the two political parties brought to the country? Where has having a party protected freedoms, liberty or COTUS? I've often wondered this and never had a clear answer. Because parties, it seems to me, have gone the way of unions: have a goal of gainging power at all costs with little adherence to pricniples.
Do you disagree with the idea of COTUS purity? Do you think the GOP will get us there?
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Increasing size of Gov't is never an answer. I think we'd be better off with the end to redistricting BS, personally.
Enough with you condescending tone, where you flatly ignore EVERYTHING I say.
Do you understand how congress works? The number of congress is determined by population.
Which is more logical? Oh, lets dump political parties, and hey, maybe make a third party!
Or create more representatives to be more reliant on constituents.
That way THEY would be more concerned with YOUR concerns because people would have more direct control of their votes, in that fewer votes would be needed to elect that representative.
Your knee-jerk reaction that this is bigger government is obtuse, when you consider that this means would LEAD to smaller government.
So go start your little revolution of destroying all political parties with your poster boy. :banghead:
Good Luck :lmao:
My interpretation is that you're frustrated with him because he doesn't support the GOP
No, I think his answer to constitutional "purity" to disband political parties is nieve, illogical, and not realistic.
There are much more effective means than that ridiculous answer. Like increasing congress to more directly represent people.
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Enough with you condescending tone, where you flatly ignore EVERYTHING I say.
I've ignored nothing. Sorry your feel that I have, but I haven't. Just trying to get you to elaborate on your statement.
Do you understand how congress works? The number of congress is determined by population.
I do. Very well. What are you getting at?
Which is more logical? Oh, lets dump political parties, and hey, maybe make a third party! Or create more representatives to be more reliant on constituents.
HUH - how does increasing the size of congress accomplish a greater reliance on constituants? Hell, dude, but even at the SLG leve, reps don't listen to consituants much anymore. I don't see how increasing the number of reps will change that. I'm willing to listen, but I'd ask for some detailed explanation.
You ignored my quesitons again - how have the two major parties protected freedom, liberty, COTUS, economy, etc, etc?
That way THEY would be more concerned with YOUR concerns because people would have more direct control of their votes, in that fewer votes would be needed to elect that representative.
I don't agree with this. I think you're incorrect to assume that by reducing the number of constituents that people in Congress will listen. They make no attempt to listen now, why would that change? How many reps received 90-95% ofcalls against TARP and still voted for it? Again, look at SLG. The same issues exist in that space and they each have fewer people to represent.
Your knee-jerk reaction that this is bigger government is obtuse, when you consider that this means would LEAD to smaller government.
WAit... seriously. How will bigger government lead to smaller government???? How will that happen?
So go start your little revolution of destroying all political parties with your poster boy. :banghead:
Good Luck :lmao:
why are you so upset? I've asked you questions that you haven't answered, so I've been pressing you to engage the debate... But you're refusing to do that, and I'm not sure why that is. You can call me names or whatever you want, but I'm not your enemy. I'm just asking questions that others did and that weren't answered. I can't really figure out what you're so upset over or why you won't talk about the issues that you think Beck is incorrect on rather than just attacking. :shrug:
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I have a nuanced answer.
Yes I like the idea of the principles of this "project", but what is he trying to achieve with it?
My question is, how does Beck want to achieve a constitutional "purity"?
Dump political parties?
Beck complains about lack of representation. What is his answer? Dump political parties?
I would suggest increasing the size of the house of representives would create more direct representation.
I believe there is a law suit in the works complaining that the current number of congressmen/women is unconstituional because they have too many constituents to represent by that one person. By increasing congress, you create greater representation that are more concerned with their constituents and lesser by lobby's. And it may decrease the number of staff per congressperson, considering each congressperson has 22 staffers.
It's not that I disagree with Beck's message, it's that I disagree with how he wants to achieve it.
He's hitting his head against the wall in the end. Rush is much more logical, which I choose to side with him over Glenn's over the top persona.
Hi,
Let me wade into this discussion. I think Beck is saying just that, no loyalty to either party. Check out this website: http://www.patriotsunited.com/
I joined this organization during the summer. We have a platform of "values", do not endorse a party but will support a candidate from either party, or independent, who shares the same values we believe in.
Beck is opposed to corruption in both parties, who can argue with that? He is for certain values, conservative fiscal policy, enforce our immigration laws, minimum government.......etc. Likely any candidate who he believes is in agreement with those values he would be in favor of. I think he distrusts either party at this point and can support his belief with plenty of examples. Not so sure he does not feel a third party will emerge. The largest voting group now happen to be independents, their numbers are higher than either republican or democrat.
regards,
5412
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WAit... seriously. How will bigger government lead to smaller government???? How will that happen?
Just how you phrase my statements completely out of context annoys me to the point of wanting to ignore you.
You are almost as annoying as the RINO I have to work with at the office that thinks the independent candidate
has a better plan than the Republican candidate, when that independant wants to raise taxes 30% and give everyone free healthcare.
Do I need to spell out every little thing for you? More representatives would mean it would be harder to jam through legislation, slowing the process, hence smaller government. And the lawsuit about this is represented by strict constitutionalist conservatives.
That's why I called your response a "knee-jerk" reaction.
And I frankly do not have the time to respond to all your little nit picks and distortions of what my focus is in this debate and you seem to want me to drift to a different issue when you KNOW that my sentiment is directed to a focused issue of why Beck's irrationality concerning the means to his constitutional purity.
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Just how you phrase my statements completely out of context annoys me to the point of wanting to ignore you.
You are almost as annoying as the RINO I have to work with at the office that thinks the independent candidate
has a better plan than the Republican candidate, when that independant wants to raise taxes 30% and give everyone free healthcare.
Do I need to spell out every little thing for you? More representatives would mean it would be harder to jam through legislation, slowing the process, hence smaller government. And the lawsuit about this is represented by strict constitutionalist conservatives.
That's why I called your response a "knee-jerk" reaction.
And I frankly do not have the time to respond to all your little nit picks and distortions of what my focus is in this debate and you seem to want me to drift to a different issue when you KNOW that my sentiment is directed to a focused issue of why Beck's irrationality concerning the means to his constitutional purity.
I haven't distorted anything. I've asked questions for clarification. If you can't clarify, then your positions are baseless. If you get emotional and, frankly, pissed off at being questioned, then your positions are baseless. You're taking something personal that isn't personal.
You may well be right that a larger congress would make it harder to push through unconstitutional legislation. But... it could also make it easier, depending on who is in charge and how they spin. There is no guarantee that it would lead to smaller gov'ment, there just isn't.
You support a party. I support ideals. You're comfortable with your position, I'm comfortable with mine. I'd like to debate, learn, question, engage in challenging conversation because it helps us all... you don't want to engage in that conversation with me, so that's fine. Good luck to you and your internship.