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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Attero Dominatus on February 29, 2008, 08:19:03 PM
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 12:19 PM
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No justice: why I'm not ready to move on
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Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 12:29 PM by info being
The corporate media is now telling us how the American people are tired of arguing over Iraq and tired of talking about George Bush. They suggest that we are tiring of the bitter, "partisan" arguments that have divided us. They echo Obama's message when they tell us that we are ready to come together, put the past behind, and start dealing with the issues of tomorrow.
What they are asking us to do is to make nice, to forgive and forget. "We all agree that George Bush is a bad guy and maybe we did mess up Iraq, but that's behind us." So we're told. But there is one thing missing. Do we believe in justice or not?
Maybe we're living in a post-justice era. I mean, if someone were to murder a member of my family, I'd probably just forget about it and move on. You know...the loved one is already dead...what's done is done. I wouldn't let it eat me up. Hell no, I'd expect justice! I'd expect someone to be punished for the wrongs they have committed. Only when justice has been served can one even contemplate moving on and starting the healing process.
So we've had 8 years of rule by not just war criminals, but white collar criminals who have bankrupted our country for their own personal gain. Billions of dollars of our tax money is unaccounted for in Iraq. The list of criminal activity that *we know about* is too long for any given post on DU. Yet, the "opposition party" isn't able to assure us that anybody will be brought to justice? Let's all just pretend that the murderers and thieves who have exploited us are good guys who can continue with business as usual! Come on!
First justice, then we move on. Without justice there can be no healing. Our society can never be healthy if we are not able to speak plainly about what was done to us, and by whom, and punish them accordingly. Until that day all hope is empty, all unity feeble, and all progress reversible. If a society is no longer capable of bringing its own corrupt elements to justice, then it is no longer capable of maintaining its own existence.
But never mind all that. We're Americans. We obey. If we're told by NBC, CBS, Fox, and CNN to move on, then we shall move on.
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Ohh yeah, complain about how bad the Republicans are, but give the Cllintons, who really are corrupt, a free pass. :whatever:
orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 12:22 PM
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1. truer words were never spoken
"Only when justice has been served can one even contemplate moving on and starting the healing process.
Without justice there can be no healing."
well said.
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Yeah. Why has Bill Clinton never been convicted of selling national secrets to China?
acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 12:26 PM
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2. The only reason they say this shit is because they want to get
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 12:28 PM by acmavm
away with all their dirty deeds.
edit: To add that is how we got in this mess in the first ****ing place. Bill Clinton wanted to 'move on' with his administration so he shut down any investigations into all the rotten stuff that the Reagan/Bush I administration pulled.
Anyone who says we need to 'move on' needs an ass whuppin'.
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 12:29 PM
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3. there is NO justice
crime pays
the bigger the crime, the bigger the pay
this country is a toilet of injustice
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How about you go to a country where there is actual injustice, like China before you complain about this country.
info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 12:37 PM
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4. Funny how this thread is sinking
Even people on DU these days are so drunk on the cool-aid they can't even discuss plain truth. We're ****ed.
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
fasttense (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 01:05 PM
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7. Where can I donate money to the prosecution of the bushes?
I agree with you whole heartedly and am willing to my stimulus money where my mouth is. The problem is I'm not sure there are any groups out there willing to prosecute the bushes.
The closest I've gotten is the Center for Constitutional Rights. They were the ones to file war crime charges against Rumsfeld in France.
Here is a link to donate unless you know of a better group?
http://ccrjustice.org/
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Bush has not broken any law you idiot.
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9. I don't want to donate
I want my country to function. Through my taxes, I already pay for a criminal justice system and I already pay for representation. I'm not going to subsidize their failures by giving more of my money.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 01:31 PM
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16. ahhh yes and then the time warp will make * and cheney just as sweet as they made Reagan.. Updated at 10:03 AM
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 01:32 PM by flyarm
oh yes we have seen this number before ..or have we..about all the youth following Obama..do they understand what is happening here..i think not..yes we will have a love fest..so little lord pissy pants will have a "lovely legacy"..and no one will be held accountable for an illegal war..because we will be so busy with warm fuzzies..
and no questions will be asked about the lies surrounding 9/11..no we need flowers for everyone..as our economy collapses..all around us..
there will be no accountability for people who have died suspiciously by suicides all over this country..you know about them..anyone who bothered to ask real questions or point out the lies with proof to back them up..
who will bring Dr Kelly back to life??????????? ah shit ..he didn't matter did he..even though he dedicated his life to peace..and protecting all of us..by being an scientific inspector..
yes we all need some Kumbaya now..
get in a circle everyone,....we need love and harmony..
....while little lord pissy pants goes to his ranch in Paraguay..and sips umbrella drinks ..long enough for you to forget all the harm he has done..so when he dies we can have a love fest for him.
fly
i am not ready to move on either..my co-workers were killed on 9/11 as well as my neighbors sons..i want answers and i will demand those answers.. if it takes till my last breath.
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:tinfoil2: :tinfoil2:
Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 02:30 PM
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21. The only way to secure the future is by prosecuting these criminals.
Some of these guys are retreads on their third of fourth criminal conspiracy, working for their third or fourth administration.
If we fail to prosecute them now, and impeach the president in order to deny them pardons, they will be back again. Count on it.
They will never police themselves, they don't even know why they should. It's up to us to stop them! Or there will be no future.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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REVOLUTION!!!!...Ohh wait :rotf: :rotf:
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Maybe we're living in a post-justice era. I mean, if someone were to murder a member of my family, I'd probably just forget about it and move on. You know...the loved one is already dead...what's done is done. I wouldn't let it eat me up. Hell no, I'd expect justice! I'd expect someone to be punished for the wrongs they have committed. Only when justice has been served can one even contemplate moving on and starting the healing process.
Why that almost sounds like a conservative.
Maybe then you could start by leaving a site that demonizes police,has all the sympathy on the world for true criminals and fights against the death penalty at all costs.
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No justice!
No Cheetos!
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No justice!
No Cheetos!
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Cheeto?
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Is that the DUmmie version of Dream Date?
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Yeah. Why has Bill Clinton never been convicted of selling national secrets to China?
Because either A) The Republicans were involved, or B) they were too much of pussies to want to deal with it.
This issue has had me angered since day one. Hell with Monica. I did NOT care about that bitch. We should have gone after his ass for his Loral dealings. We didn't, and it raises serious questions in my mind. He betrayed this country, and we let him slide....but went after him for getting a blowjob? :wtf3:
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First justice, then we move on. Without justice there can be no healing. Our society can never be healthy if we are not able to speak plainly about what was done to us, and by whom, and punish them accordingly. Until that day all hope is empty, all unity feeble, and all progress reversible. If a society is no longer capable of bringing its own corrupt elements to justice, then it is no longer capable of maintaining its own existence.
I have to agree with the DUmbass's sentiment here, though not for the reasons he/she/it expresses.
Regardless of how this year's elections turn out, I won't be shaking hands, unifying, making nice with, or forgetting about a group of people who for the past eight years have blamed conservatives for everything from school shootings to AIDS deaths to the sequelae of natural disasters. I won't be playing patty-cake with people who have denounced me as hating "the poor" or being a racist because I don't believe in rampant socialism or pardoning illegal immigrants. I won't be forgetting the Christian-bashing and the mockery of my Savior. I won't be overlooking the accusations of promoting violence against homosexuals or taking away their civil rights simply because my faith tells me it's a sin and I take a constructionist's view of our Constitution. I will remember how certain people "pissed on the graves" of decent Americans, belittled children simply by virtue of who their parents are, and committed (or claimed to commit) thousands of petty, spiteful, vicious acts against innocent, unsuspecting people solely because they claimed a different political philosophy from their own. I won't be singing Kumbayah with people whose mission in life is to continue the holocaust against millions of unborn children.
Lastly, I won't be cleaving to those who for the past five years have been doing everything in their power to belittle, slander, falsely accuse and demoralize the fighting men and women of this country. You have given aid and comfort to the enemy, lionized them, justfied their actions, rationalized their atrocities and served as their apologists, all the while painting our own troops under fire as criminals and tools of evil.
Hell no, there ain't no forgettin'.
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Screw the left. Let the majority of the far left socialist find a new home so they won't be spending so much time screwing up this one.
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Is that the DUmmie version of Dream Date?
I think the young lady is too well-groomed for that.
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I have to agree with the DUmbass's sentiment here, though not for the reasons he/she/it expresses.
Regardless of how this year's elections turn out, I won't be shaking hands, unifying, making nice with, or forgetting about a group of people who for the past eight years have blamed conservatives for everything from school shootings to AIDS deaths to the sequelae of natural disasters. I won't be playing patty-cake with people who have denounced me as hating "the poor" or being a racist because I don't believe in rampant socialism or pardoning illegal immigrants. I won't be forgetting the Christian-bashing and the mockery of my Savior. I won't be overlooking the accusations of promoting violence against homosexuals or taking away their civil rights simply because my faith tells me it's a sin and I take a constructionist's view of our Constitution. I will remember how certain people "pissed on the graves" of decent Americans, belittled children simply by virtue of who their parents are, and committed (or claimed to commit) thousands of petty, spiteful, vicious acts against innocent, unsuspecting people solely because they claimed a different political philosophy from their own. I won't be singing Kumbayah with people whose mission in life is to continue the holocaust against millions of unborn children.
Lastly, I won't be cleaving to those who for the past five years have been doing everything in their power to belittle, slander, falsely accuse and demoralize the fighting men and women of this country. You have given aid and comfort to the enemy, lionized them, justfied their actions, rationalized their atrocities and served as their apologists, all the while painting our own troops under fire as criminals and tools of evil.
Hell no, there ain't no forgettin'.
Hear, hear!
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First justice, then we move on. Without justice there can be no healing. Our society can never be healthy if we are not able to speak plainly about what was done to us, and by whom, and punish them accordingly. Until that day all hope is empty, all unity feeble, and all progress reversible. If a society is no longer capable of bringing its own corrupt elements to justice, then it is no longer capable of maintaining its own existence.
I have to agree with the DUmbass's sentiment here, though not for the reasons he/she/it expresses.
Regardless of how this year's elections turn out, I won't be shaking hands, unifying, making nice with, or forgetting about a group of people who for the past eight years have blamed conservatives for everything from school shootings to AIDS deaths to the sequelae of natural disasters. I won't be playing patty-cake with people who have denounced me as hating "the poor" or being a racist because I don't believe in rampant socialism or pardoning illegal immigrants. I won't be forgetting the Christian-bashing and the mockery of my Savior. I won't be overlooking the accusations of promoting violence against homosexuals or taking away their civil rights simply because my faith tells me it's a sin and I take a constructionist's view of our Constitution. I will remember how certain people "pissed on the graves" of decent Americans, belittled children simply by virtue of who their parents are, and committed (or claimed to commit) thousands of petty, spiteful, vicious acts against innocent, unsuspecting people solely because they claimed a different political philosophy from their own. I won't be singing Kumbayah with people whose mission in life is to continue the holocaust against millions of unborn children.
Lastly, I won't be cleaving to those who for the past five years have been doing everything in their power to belittle, slander, falsely accuse and demoralize the fighting men and women of this country. You have given aid and comfort to the enemy, lionized them, justfied their actions, rationalized their atrocities and served as their apologists, all the while painting our own troops under fire as criminals and tools of evil.
Hell no, there ain't no forgettin'.
I'm on board with that.
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I sense there are a lot of DUmmies who are in for an extremely disappointing several years.
:-)
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Is that the DUmmie version of Dream Date?
I think the young lady is too well-groomed for that.
Plus dared to get near a bathtub,regardless of the reason.
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I sense there are a lot of DUmmies who are in for an extremely disappointing several years.
:-)
They live to be disappointed. I don't think most of them could tolerate happiness.
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They live to be disappointed. I don't think most of them could tolerate happiness.
You're forgetting DUmmie 101...they are ONLY happy when everyone is as miserable as they are.
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First justice, then we move on. Without justice there can be no healing. Our society can never be healthy if we are not able to speak plainly about what was done to us, and by whom, and punish them accordingly. Until that day all hope is empty, all unity feeble, and all progress reversible. If a society is no longer capable of bringing its own corrupt elements to justice, then it is no longer capable of maintaining its own existence.
I have to agree with the DUmbass's sentiment here, though not for the reasons he/she/it expresses.
Regardless of how this year's elections turn out, I won't be shaking hands, unifying, making nice with, or forgetting about a group of people who for the past eight years have blamed conservatives for everything from school shootings to AIDS deaths to the sequelae of natural disasters. I won't be playing patty-cake with people who have denounced me as hating "the poor" or being a racist because I don't believe in rampant socialism or pardoning illegal immigrants. I won't be forgetting the Christian-bashing and the mockery of my Savior. I won't be overlooking the accusations of promoting violence against homosexuals or taking away their civil rights simply because my faith tells me it's a sin and I take a constructionist's view of our Constitution. I will remember how certain people "pissed on the graves" of decent Americans, belittled children simply by virtue of who their parents are, and committed (or claimed to commit) thousands of petty, spiteful, vicious acts against innocent, unsuspecting people solely because they claimed a different political philosophy from their own. I won't be singing Kumbayah with people whose mission in life is to continue the holocaust against millions of unborn children.
Lastly, I won't be cleaving to those who for the past five years have been doing everything in their power to belittle, slander, falsely accuse and demoralize the fighting men and women of this country. You have given aid and comfort to the enemy, lionized them, justfied their actions, rationalized their atrocities and served as their apologists, all the while painting our own troops under fire as criminals and tools of evil.
Hell no, there ain't no forgettin'.
Well stated -- succinct and to the point.
Send it to Rush -- it summarizes what he has been saying since McCain became the presumptive Republican candidate.