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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Chris_ on September 28, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
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Secret Service Probing Obama Assassination Poll on Facebook
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The U.S. Secret Service is investigating a "poll" posted on Facebook that asked users the most unsocial, unspeakable question: Should President Obama be assassinated?
Edwin Donovan, a spokesman for the Secret Service, said the agency will take "appropriate investigative steps" in connection to the survey, which was posted on Saturday and was quickly removed when Facebook employees were alerted to its existence.
"We are continuing our investigation," Donovan told FOXNews.com, declining further comment.
The poll asked respondents: "Should Obama be killed?"
The possible answers were "no," "maybe," yes," and "yes if he cuts my health care."
Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt said a "third-party application" enabled an individual user to create what he said was an "offensive poll."
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Bob Beckel, a Democratic Party strategist and FOX News contributor, said the individual responsible for the poll should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
"This is the kind of garbage that's generated from the extreme right against Obama, and it's going way over the line," Beckel told FOXNews.com. "It's got to be stopped. Find him, prosecute him and put him in jail."
MORE (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,556722,00.html)
Where are all those liberal, free-speech defenders? ::)
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Prosecute him for asking a question?
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Prosecute him for asking a question?
Thou shalt not question.
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Bob Beckel, a Democratic Party strategist and FOX News contributor, said the individual responsible for the poll should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Just like all the democRAT bastards were prosecuted "to the fullest extent of the law" for their Assassinate Bush rants?
FOAD, Bob.
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Just like all the democRAT bastards were prosecuted "to the fullest extent of the law" for their Assassinate Bush rants?
FOAD, Bob.
Bob Beckell is a buffoon.
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The poll was probably started by the White House, and they are snagging the IP addresses of all that don't vote no on the poll. :tinfoil2:
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The poll was probably started by the White House, and they are snagging the IP addresses of all that don't vote no on the poll. :tinfoil2:
Any other president, and I'd think you were trying to start a conspiracy theory. With this one though, all I'll ask is that if you find a link, be sure to add it.
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I don't see that the poll advocated or promoted the act, just asked for opinions.
Now, people who answered in the affirmative may get an unexpected visit....but again they are just voicing an opinion.
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Since when is it wrong to give my6 opinion? When did they start spelling America like this Amerika?
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So what were the results of the poll?
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Without doubt a leftist trick to make those on the right look bad.
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Without doubt a leftist trick to make those on the right look bad.
Would not surprise me in the least.
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Yeah, I'll bet an 0bamaite created this poll.
Sort of like the Reichstag fire.
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Yeah, I'll bet an 0bamaite created this poll.
Sort of like the Reichstag fire.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
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Sorry, but any threat against any president is a crime and is investigated. Yes, I'm well aware of the number of libtards who weren't thrown in jail for threatening Bush. I get it. It's wrong. They shouldn't have done it. Then again, this poll shouldn't be out there either. Overt or not, threats are threats and they shouldn't have posted that poll.
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Sorry, but any threat against any president is a crime and is investigated. Yes, I'm well aware of the number of libtards who weren't thrown in jail for threatening Bush. I get it. It's wrong. They shouldn't have done it. Then again, this poll shouldn't be out there either. Overt or not, threats are threats and they shouldn't have posted that poll.
I agree. This poll is extremely disturbing and HAS to be investigated.
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I agree. This poll is extremely disturbing and HAS to be investigated.
Yeah, it's bad taste and all that.
It needs investigated to find the source, like all such things, and I'm sure nobody's going to disagree with that.
However, it seems to me it probably was started by an 0bamaite.
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Yeah, it's bad taste and all that.
It needs investigated to find the source, like all such things, and I'm sure nobody's going to disagree with that.
However, it seems to me it probably was started by an 0bamaite.
And if it was started by an 0Bamabot, will we ever learn the truth?
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And if it was started by an 0Bamabot, will we ever learn the truth?
The truth is what this administration tells you is the truth.
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The truth is what this administration tells you is the truth.
To question it would be double-plus ungood.
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What is going to be funny if it is one of their own. It will be a short trip on the Zero bus
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And if it was started by an 0Bamabot, will we ever learn the truth?
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I will laugh like crazy if it comes out that an Obama supporter was arrested for starting the poll! :rotf:
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If in fact an Obama supporter DID start this poll, expect the entire story to die, and quickly. Silence is deafening.
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Why haven't they tracked the poster down yet? It didn't take this long to find out who hacked Sarah Palin's email account last year. Have they already done it, and swept it under the rug? I mean most FB users use their real names and info, don't they?
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Without doubt a leftist trick to make those on the right look bad.
That's what I am thinking too.
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Sorry, but any threat against any president is a crime and is investigated. Yes, I'm well aware of the number of libtards who weren't thrown in jail for threatening Bush. I get it. It's wrong. They shouldn't have done it. Then again, this poll shouldn't be out there either. Overt or not, threats are threats and they shouldn't have posted that poll.
I expect 700 people to be questioned by the Secret Service soon. Most of them time, nothing happens, other than being questioned.
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And if it was started by an 0Bamabot, will we ever learn the truth?
Considering all the threads we've seen lately by the DUmmies about how to infiltrate Tea Parties....post like FReepers on youtube and other such nonesense...all in an effort to make us look as extreme as the left in this country...what's to say that some idiot Libtard didn't start this stupid poll just to continue the "white conservatives want Obama dead" meme?
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I think the basic gist is, if you want to get an reaction out of the feds, go ahead and threaten - even in a joking or superficial way - the president.
The Secret Service doesn't give a whit who actually inhabits the WH - if Lucifer himself were elected to office, they'd protect him and his family.
Uh, anybody get a real close look at Lord Zero's forehead lately?? :uhsure:
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Sorry, but any threat against any president is a crime and is investigated. Yes, I'm well aware of the number of libtards who weren't thrown in jail for threatening Bush. I get it. It's wrong. They shouldn't have done it. Then again, this poll shouldn't be out there either. Overt or not, threats are threats and they shouldn't have posted that poll.
Absolutely concur.
However, one thing that struck me was the option of answering "yes, if he cuts my healthcare".
That would imply someone who expects healthcare and lots of it. That is an odd sub-set of respondents to appeal to...especially for what DU presumes to be a freeper. This may disappear faster than we think.
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Where was the FBI when Air America was making jokes about assassinationg Bush and Cheney?
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Sorry, but any threat against any president is a crime and is investigated. Yes, I'm well aware of the number of libtards who weren't thrown in jail for threatening Bush. I get it. It's wrong. They shouldn't have done it. Then again, this poll shouldn't be out there either. Overt or not, threats are threats and they shouldn't have posted that poll.
I absolutely agree..its wrong anyway you look at it. My husband said he would step in front of a bullet to protect him...its about the country,the office and not about weather or not you agree with him.
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I absolutely agree..its wrong anyway you look at it. My husband said he would step in front of a bullet to protect him...its about the country,the office and not about weather or not you agree with him.
If I were a member of the Secret Service I might feel that way, as it would be my duty, but as a private citizen, I value my life just as much as any president's life.
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Maybe we should start a poll who would take a bullet for him
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Maybe we should start a poll who would take a bullet for him
Lleu's got my vote. :-)
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Perfect idea let's use him as the Zero's human shield
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Perfect idea let's use him as the Zero's human shield
We have no idea what or how we would react in situations like this, we act on instinct.
People that cannot swim leap into the water to save a drowning stranger.
People will run into burning building to rescue a dog or cat belonging to strangers.
We have people that are willing to loose hundreds of dollars in pay to take off work to pull horses and dogs out of trouble.
Unfortunately instinct to help a life human or not is being lost for some reason. Humans stand by and watch calmly and at a safe distance as a child is beaten and kicked to death on a city street. Had that child been a dog, the crowd watching would have unleashed furor and gone after the punks.
So who would take the bullet for Obama, it would have to be a person running on instinct, someone that has lost all sense of their own well fare, a spontaneous reaction to the situation.
It could be me, you or your uncle Joe that hates the man. This is not something one thinks about or plans, this is human instinct to protect our leader even as our personal feeling get pushed back from our thinking logical mind.
This is the same thing that causes children to protect an abusive parent.
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I personally don't plan on ever being close enough to Obama to hear the shot much less have to take the bullet for him.
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I personally don't plan on ever being close enough to Obama to hear the shot much less have to take the bullet for him.
Me either
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I wonder if these groups and their members have been investigated?
I wish it were legal to **** George W. Bush, who's with me? (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10579707572&ref=search&sid=1126533618.1392925774..1)
We all want to **** George Bush. (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2269419232&ref=search&sid=1126533618.1392925774..1)
**** = kill in the names of both groups.
Where is the outcry from the left and the media?
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I wonder if these groups and their members have been investigated?
I wish it were legal to **** George W. Bush, who's with me? (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10579707572&ref=search&sid=1126533618.1392925774..1)
We all want to **** George Bush. (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2269419232&ref=search&sid=1126533618.1392925774..1)
**** = kill in the names of both groups.
Where is the outcry from the left and the media?
They don't care it shows in their actions come on he is not the savior like the Zero
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I wonder if these groups and their members have been investigated?
I wish it were legal to **** George W. Bush, who's with me? (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10579707572&ref=search&sid=1126533618.1392925774..1)
We all want to **** George Bush. (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2269419232&ref=search&sid=1126533618.1392925774..1)
**** = kill in the names of both groups.
Where is the outcry from the left and the media?
One of the group is run by an Australian. I reported the groups.
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One of the group is run by an Australian. I reported the groups.
Those were just ones that were listed in an article I read. There are more than that. Not all of these specifically mention killing Bush, but they turned up on a search of the term "kill bush". http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=kill+bush&init=quick#/search/?flt=1&q=kill%20bush&o=69&sid=1126533618.2165579935..1
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Washington D.C. - In a stunning move to reduce government spending president Barak Obama announced today that he would be dismissing the Secret Service’s presidential detail soon after being sworn in.
“We’re really looking at places we can slash the budget to make room for our policy agenda,†said chief-of-staff Rahm Emmanuel. “And let’s face it; the Secret Service detail guarding the president is one hefty piece of financial expenditure.â€
With rings of agents and officers with an internal, secure communications system, helicopters, up-armored automobiles and limosines the annual savings to taxpayers could reach into the tens of millions. Even the bullet-proof vest normally worn by the president will be dispensed with.
“They’re tailor made to not show under his clothing. One of those puppies can set you back almost ten-grand,†an agent normally assigned to the president divulged on condition of anonymity.
When issues of presidential safety were raised they were immediately dismissed.
“Barack is a young man and he is in phenomenal health. He’s not going to die anytime soon,†said Emmanuel. “Our ace in the whole is Joe Biden.
“I mean, my God, look at him standing over there in the corner just picking his nose and rolling it into little balls between his fingers. Anybody that would want to kill Barack would have to confront the realization that Joe Biden would take his place.
“Do you really think he was chosen for his policy acumen? Hell no! He’s a life insurance policy whose biggest annual premium is a handful of tokens down at Chuck E Cheese’s.â€
A senior security analyst noted, “It makes sense. Even the most methed-out skinheads seem to realize that a Barack presidency would do less harm than Biden with an inkpen in his hand. Add to the fact that Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House is in the number 3 slot and it’s safe to say nobody will be taking a shot at the president anytime soon.â€
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Sad to say but very true
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Ah, but now the SS says it's "not a threat"...
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/01/secret-service-facebook-poll-posed-threat-obama/?test=latestnews)
Secret Service: Facebook Poll Posed No Threat to Obama
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WASHINGTON -- The Secret Service has determined that a juvenile was behind the online survey that asked whether people thought President Obama should be assassinated, an agency spokesman said Thursday.
No criminal charges will be filed against the juvenile or the juvenile's parents, spokesman Edwin Donovan said. Donovan would not identify the names of the child or parents or say where they are from.
The poll, posted Saturday on Facebook, was taken off the popular social networking site quickly after company officials were alerted to its existence. But, like any threat against the president, Secret Service agents took no chances.
The poll asked respondents "Should Obama be killed?" The choices: No, Maybe, Yes, and Yes if he cuts my health care.
After Secret Service agents met with the child and the child's parents, they determined there was no intent to harm the president.
"Case closed," Donovan said. "I guess you could characterize it as a mistake."
The poll was not created by Facebook, but by an independent person using an add-on application that had been suspended from the site, Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt said earlier this week.
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Asher Heirmann?
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Ah, but now the SS says it's "not a threat"...
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/01/secret-service-facebook-poll-posed-threat-obama/?test=latestnews)
Secret Service: Facebook Poll Posed No Threat to Obama
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WASHINGTON -- The Secret Service has determined that a juvenile was behind the online survey that asked whether people thought President Obama should be assassinated, an agency spokesman said Thursday.
No criminal charges will be filed against the juvenile or the juvenile's parents, spokesman Edwin Donovan said. Donovan would not identify the names of the child or parents or say where they are from.
The poll, posted Saturday on Facebook, was taken off the popular social networking site quickly after company officials were alerted to its existence. But, like any threat against the president, Secret Service agents took no chances.
The poll asked respondents "Should Obama be killed?" The choices: No, Maybe, Yes, and Yes if he cuts my health care.
After Secret Service agents met with the child and the child's parents, they determined there was no intent to harm the president.
"Case closed," Donovan said. "I guess you could characterize it as a mistake."
The poll was not created by Facebook, but by an independent person using an add-on application that had been suspended from the site, Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt said earlier this week.
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Asher Heirmann?
I guess we know that it really was put up by a moonbat Obamabot now...
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Nothing to see here; move along.
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Ah, but now the SS says it's "not a threat"...
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/01/secret-service-facebook-poll-posed-threat-obama/?test=latestnews)
Secret Service: Facebook Poll Posed No Threat to Obama
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Asher Heirmann?
You mean this one?
http://www.todaystmj4.com/features/specialassignment/45608727.html
Hey the SS says no harm no foul. Move along.
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:rotf: why would the left make this up... makes no sense at all, it is sad that we still live in such a racist country and conservatives can justify someone who encouraged murdering the president of the FREE WORLD. Bush was a different story he was a terrorist and people never would have done it anyway they just wanted him to be impeached because he broke the law. Its so sad so so sad... consider this if someone asked if Mike Jackson should have been killed then eveyone would be upset, instead he had to "die" I dont really know about that perhaps he was killed, probably by a right wing nut job trying to steal his stuff for money, its plausible and i think the government should start investigating this.
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:whatever:
I think there is a new chew toy/troll on the board.
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:rotf: why would the left make this up... makes no sense at all, it is sad that we still live in such a racist country and conservatives can justify someone who encouraged murdering the president of the FREE WORLD. Bush was a different story he was a terrorist and people never would have done it anyway they just wanted him to be impeached because he broke the law. Its so sad so so sad... consider this if someone asked if Mike Jackson should have been killed then eveyone would be upset, instead he had to "die" I dont really know about that perhaps he was killed, probably by a right wing nut job trying to steal his stuff for money, its plausible and i think the government should start investigating this.
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Let's start with:
Which law did Bush break?
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:rotf: why would the left make this up...{/quote]
Oh...I dunno...maybe because your Libtard buddies at places like DU and Kos opine all the time about how to pose as Conservatives on websites to make the right in this country look as bad as possible.
it is sad that we still live in such a racist country and conservatives can justify someone who encouraged murdering the president of the FREE WORLD. Bush was a different story he was a terrorist and people never would have done it anyway they just wanted him to be impeached because he broke the law. Its so sad so so sad... consider this if someone asked if Mike Jackson should have been killed then eveyone would be upset, instead he had to "die" I dont really know about that perhaps he was killed, probably by a right wing nut job trying to steal his stuff for money, its plausible and i think the government should start investigating this.
Your justification of calling for the assassination of one president while decrying an alleged poll about the same thing with another President is as disgusting as it is hypocritical.
You DO know that we can track IP addresses on here right?
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Well read the other posts, I was simply countering what someone else said and I specifically said no one would have assasinated Bush, rather they just wanted him impeached so please learn to read, Thank you. :cheersmate:
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Well read the other posts, I was simply countering what someone else said and I specifically said no one would have assasinated Bush, rather they just wanted him impeached so please learn to read, Thank you. :cheersmate:
You are either willfully ignorant or just stupid. There were plenty of protesters with signs calling for the death of President Bush. The open hatred of President Bush was much more evident than it has been about 0Bama.
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Well read the other posts, I was simply countering what someone else said and I specifically said no one would have assasinated Bush, rather they just wanted him impeached so please learn to read, Thank you. :cheersmate:
Nice try Troll.
You talked about how horrible it was to speculate on the subject about President Obama and then said "Bush is a different subject"...MEANING...that it was ok to talk about the same thing about him.
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:rotf: why would the left make this up... makes no sense at all, it is sad that we still live in such a racist country and conservatives can justify someone who encouraged murdering the president of the FREE WORLD. Bush was a different story he was a terrorist and people never would have done it anyway they just wanted him to be impeached because he broke the law. Its so sad so so sad... consider this if someone asked if Mike Jackson should have been killed then eveyone would be upset, instead he had to "die" I dont really know about that perhaps he was killed, probably by a right wing nut job trying to steal his stuff for money, its plausible and i think the government should start investigating this.
So just because you think that none of your libtard brethren had the stones to actually follow through on their threats towards Bush , that it somehow makes it okay to advocate assassinating him ?
That you're incapable of seeing the major fail in your logic here is kinda telling.
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I was watching I believe it was The Rachel Maddow show and she had a segment reguarding this poll, she was countering what one of them guys on fox news said, because he said something about throwing the protesters in jail who had signs saying things like death to mr.Bush, I under no circumstance advocate taking a life but I think it is hypocritical for republians to get upset that liberals are upset because we are mad rightfully, he is the most threatened president and its sad, mr.bush (who really wasnt actually the elected president anyway, hence the "Mr.Bush") did not loose his life, its always the right killing presidents just look at all the assasinations, Kennedy, Kennedy, MLK, Lincoln, all progressives who the right was afraid of, afraid of change so they just killed them, liberals dont advocate killing anyone to advance an agenda, my point was it is just hypocritical.
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I was watching I believe it was The Rachel Maddow show and she had a segment reguarding this poll, she was countering what one of them guys on fox news said, because he said something about throwing the protesters in jail who had signs saying things like death to mr.Bush, I under no circumstance advocate taking a life but I think it is hypocritical for republians to get upset that liberals are upset because we are mad rightfully, he is the most threatened president and its sad, mr.bush (who really wasnt actually the elected president anyway, hence the "Mr.Bush") did not loose his life, its always the right killing presidents just look at all the assasinations, Kennedy, Kennedy, MLK, Lincoln, all progressives who the right was afraid of, afraid of change so they just killed them, liberals dont advocate killing anyone to advance an agenda, my point was it is just hypocritical.
Oh, goody! A new chew toy!
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I was watching I believe it was The Rachel Maddow show and she had a segment reguarding this poll, she was countering what one of them guys on fox news said, because he said something about throwing the protesters in jail who had signs saying things like death to mr.Bush, I under no circumstance advocate taking a life but I think it is hypocritical for republians to get upset that liberals are upset because we are mad rightfully, he is the most threatened president and its sad, mr.bush (who really wasnt actually the elected president anyway, hence the "Mr.Bush") did not loose his life, its always the right killing presidents just look at all the assasinations, Kennedy, Kennedy, MLK, Lincoln, all progressives who the right was afraid of, afraid of change so they just killed them, liberals dont advocate killing anyone to advance an agenda, my point was it is just hypocritical.
You realize that JFK was killed by a Democrat/Communist...Bobby Kennedy was killed by a Muslim...MLK was killed by a racist Democrat...and Lincoln was killed by CSA sympathizer upset because Lincoln freed the slaves.
Your attempt to paint Republicans as some how pro assassination and anti black is pathetic.
But then again your whole propaganda trolling effort is pathetic too.
liberals don't advocate killing anyone to advance an agenda
Wanna bet?
Oh and your debunked claim about President Bush not having been elected is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo 2001. Get over it already. He's not even in office anymore.
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liberals dont advocate killing anyone to advance an agenda, my point was it is just hypocritical.
What the ...
Did you really manage to say that with a straight face ?
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What the ...
Did you really manage to say that with a straight face ?
It actually believes it too.
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Yeah, I'll bet an 0bamaite created this poll.
Sort of like the Reichstag fire.
To refresh my memory of history I checked out the Reichstag fire and followed a few links until I hit the PNAC sites.
Remember the old 1940 movies with the mobsters yelling they had been Framed.? Then the good old Red Herring stuff to confuse the coppers.
It comes to mind that Governments often use these tactics and have always have.
BTW, have you seen the news reports that the Russians finally allowed testing on the burnt skull of Hitler.? Turns out the skull they have jealously guarded is that of a young woman, younger then Ave Braun. So now the question arises, "Where did they go".?
Could be that the people who swore to be eye witnesses to the suicide of Hitler and Ava lied. OH Wow after all the dreadful things they did , who would have thought they may have lied.? Oh yes a dentist swore that the teeth matched the work he did on Hitler, Really, so it is impossible that he may have lied also.?
Then it is strange that quite a few of the higher ups escaped to Brazil and left their fearless leader behind. The story goes that they had Vatican Passports, hard to believe but could be.
Somehow the idea that Hitler would go down with the ship is kind of far fetched to me, same as the idea that General Custer was killed by the Indians but not scalped and few carterages in the area he died.
Sorry Frank, flight of ideas here, so much is possible and we only know what we have been taught.
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Oh, goody! A new chew toy!
Looks like our little "friend" Leilu is baaaaaaaaaack :rotf:
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From Thor: Garbage attempt at Youtube posting removed. Please use the YouTube button at the top. Do NOT attempt to embed links here with the YouTube embed command. :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
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Oh goody, and a "Bush stole the election" kook to boot. Talk about hitting the jackpot of stupidity and believing lies, this one has it all.
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Oh goody, and a "Bush stole the election" kook to boot. Talk about hitting the jackpot of stupidity and believing lies, this one has it all.
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It's a college student in the Garden State. What do you expect?
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It's a college student in the Garden State. What do you expect?
Not much
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After reading many of atruevoice's posts, I'm dismayed. A college student that can't spell?? A liberal that's still accusing Bush of an illegal war, a stolen election (regardless of what the Supreme Court stipulates), a rapist apologist, and apparently an overall idiot. I smell a troll here and I'm certain it's existence will be short lived on this Forum.
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Pics of lefties fantasizing over Bush's death: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/04/how-quickly-they-forget/
zombietime.com has plenty more.
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Ok, so we know that it was a teenager that posted the ill-fated Facebook poll. Has anybody ascertained what particular political affiliation that either he or his parents have??
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Ok, so we know that it was a teenager that posted the ill-fated Facebook poll. Has anybody ascertained what particular political affiliation that either he or his parents have??
I think the fact it was dropped like a bag of crack rocks at a DUI checkpoint pretty much tells us the answer on that one.
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I was watching I believe it was The Rachel Maddow show and she had a segment reguarding this poll, she was countering what one of them guys on fox news said, because he said something about throwing the protesters in jail who had signs saying things like death to mr.Bush, I under no circumstance advocate taking a life but I think it is hypocritical for republians to get upset that liberals are upset because we are mad rightfully, he is the most threatened president and its sad, mr.bush (who really wasnt actually the elected president anyway, hence the "Mr.Bush") did not loose his life, its always the right killing presidents just look at all the assasinations, Kennedy, Kennedy, MLK, Lincoln, all progressives who the right was afraid of, afraid of change so they just killed them, liberals dont advocate killing anyone to advance an agenda, my point was it is just hypocritical.
So much wrong. So little time. Sigh.
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I would like to be able to keep the little troll long enough to get them into the fight club then we can all have fun tossing it around
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Let's start with:
Which law did Bush break?
Notice the troll has failed to address this inconvenient issue.
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Notice the troll has failed to address this inconvenient issue.
The troll is simply incapable of addressing anything other than the pablum that she's been fed.
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The troll is simply incapable of addressing anything other than the pablum that she's been fed.
Well, that does explain the mess on the carpet.
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Bush used his famous family to get out of the war in vietnam, he got pulled over with cocaine and got many many duis and nothing happened to him because his dad was president at the time.
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Bush used his famous family to get out of the war in vietnam, he got pulled over with cocaine and got many many duis and nothing happened to him because his dad was president at the time.
Bush tried to get TO Vietnam, dipshit.
BTW, everyone look at his statement, "Bush got out of his DUI's because his dad was President".
Um, his dad was President from '89 to '93, you stupid f'n moron. Again, do you try at being stupid? Or is it natural?
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Keep doing this and you'll find your usefulness here expended.
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Bush used his famous family to get out of the war in vietnam, he got pulled over with cocaine and got many many duis and nothing happened to him because his dad was president at the time.
Ok, provide your proof or STFU.
1. Prove he used his family to stay out of Vietnam.
2. Prove he got pulled over with cocaine.
3. Prove he got many, many DUI's.
4. Prove #2 & #3 happened while Bush Sr. was President.
You need to provide hard facts, not talking points from the DUmp. We'll need sources, not just quotes.
You made these statements as fact. Backing them up should not be difficult.
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Bush used his famous family to get out of the war in vietnam, he got pulled over with cocaine and got many many duis and nothing happened to him because his dad was president at the time.
And if you weren't citing truthout, FireDogLake, or some other chemically-altered fantasy-based sites, you'd have no links to any of this.
GWB got ONE DUI--in Kennebunk, 1976. Paid the fine, which was standard at the time. Please show me where he was ever arrested, let alone (credibly) accused of having done any worse. He stopped drinking, by his own admission, in 1986, well before his father became president.
You really need to stop reading Kitty Kelley books.
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Bush used his famous family to get out of the war in vietnam,
Right. That's why he volunteered to fly the Palace Guard missions.
And before you start talking about famous families...for the brief time that Algore was in the military he had a personal body guard. Then he found a loophole that said if you get accepted to college you can get out of your combat tour.
He did that and then proceeded to smoke so much pot he flunked out of Divinity School.
Was there a point you were trying to make?
he got pulled over with cocaine
Link? You do have something to back that up right?
and got many many duis and nothing happened to him because his dad was president at the time.
Ummm...by the time his father was President he was already running his own Oil company, was married to Laura and had two young daughters. He'd become an avid runner and was a board member on the YMCA in Midland.
I should know...my dad was working with him and sat on the YMCA Board of directors with him.
And at one point during his dad's Presidency...he decided to come to D.C. and help with 41's re-election campaign after Ann Richards poor mouthed him.
You should REALLY learn the facts instead of buying into the unfounded propaganda.
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Keep doing this and you'll find your usefulness here expended.
Rebel oh can't we keep her for just a little bit longer she is so funny to laugh at
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:popcorn:
Does someone have the munchies after a late night of parties on daddies money
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Bush used his famous family to get out of the war in vietnam
Actually one of his Guard commanders recently went on the record in an interview, stating that GWB VOLUNTEERED to go to Vietnam, but was turned down because he didn't have sufficient flight hours.......
doc
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Right. That's why he volunteered to fly the Palace Guard missions.
And before you start talking about famous families...for the brief time that Algore was in the military he had a personal body guard. Then he found a loophole that said if you get accepted to college you can get out of your combat tour.
He did that and then proceeded to smoke so much pot he flunked out of Divinity School.
Was there a point you were trying to make?
Link? You do have something to back that up right?
Ummm...by the time his father was President he was already running his own Oil company, was married to Laura and had two young daughters. He'd become an avid runner and was a board member on the YMCA in Midland.
I should know...my dad was working with him and sat on the YMCA Board of directors with him.
And at one point during his dad's Presidency...he decided to come to D.C. and help with 41's re-election campaign after Ann Richards poor mouthed him.
You should REALLY learn the facts instead of buying into the unfounded propaganda.
She's still in college. She won't begin to learn anything for a few years. First the little airhead needs to be emptied of all the garbage propaganda that's been stuffed in it from 12 years of public school and then college. A real job helps flush the shit out of young peoples minds. Too bad more of them didn't try work.
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Actually one of his Guard commanders recently went on the record in an interview, stating that GWB VOLUNTEERED to go to Vietnam, but was turned down because he didn't have sufficient flight hours.......
doc
TY, Doc..... :bow:
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Well, it looks like the Secret Service used some good judgment in not prosecuting a child for a dumbass prank.
I can't agree with those saying it must be some sort of liberal bias. Secret Service personnel are law enforcement first. They're probably the least political government body we have. They don't care whether the President is Democrat or Republican. They don't care if a threat to the President is Democrat or Republican. A threat gets dealt with. A non-threat is dropped.
To accuse Secret Service of some sort of liberal bias is an insult to these incredibly brave men and women.
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Well, it looks like the Secret Service used some good judgment in not prosecuting a child for a dumbass prank.
I can't agree with those saying it must be some sort of liberal bias. Secret Service personnel are law enforcement first. They're probably the least political government body we have. They don't care whether the President is Democrat or Republican. They don't care if a threat to the President is Democrat or Republican. A threat gets dealt with. A non-threat is dropped.
To accuse Secret Service of some sort of liberal bias is an insult to these incredibly brave men and women.
Oh, I don't think there is a liberal bias in that group at all, but I do think there is one involving the reporting of news, and the willingness to leak information. If there are only a couple of reporters who know more details about this, and they didn't like what they learned, it wont get released.
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Well, it looks like the Secret Service used some good judgment in not prosecuting a child for a dumbass prank.
I can't agree with those saying it must be some sort of liberal bias. Secret Service personnel are law enforcement first. They're probably the least political government body we have. They don't care whether the President is Democrat or Republican. They don't care if a threat to the President is Democrat or Republican. A threat gets dealt with. A non-threat is dropped.
To accuse Secret Service of some sort of liberal bias is an insult to these incredibly brave men and women.
I agree. My brother was Secret Service and I met many fine agents over the years. The last thing they wanted to discuss was politics.
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The Secret Service really has nothing to do with deciding who actually gets prosecuted after they make a decision to charge someone, that is entirely up to the Justice Department. While the agents are quite apolitical, there is a management layer above them which is not so much.
Also, despite everyone on both sides running to rat out somebody on the other side and annoy the shit out of the Secret Service and waste their time, only a tiny percentage of all those tattlings ever gets prosecuted instead of just being told to knock it off and "Don't make us come back here again."
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I see no evidence that anything liberal or conservative was involved. It's a kid. Kids are dumb.
Unless you've got a source I haven't seen, fabricating a media plot just seems lazy. There's plenty of actual stories out there.
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I see no evidence that anything liberal or conservative was involved. It's a kid. Kids are dumb.
Unless you've got a source I haven't seen, fabricating a media plot just seems lazy. There's plenty of actual stories out there.
You mean like Richard Stradloff (http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=14827)? Or is it Rick Duncan? Shit, I have such a hard time following them all.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why Randi "Bottle Whore" Rhodes didn't have the full force of the Secret Service crawling up her alcoholic ass when she not once, but TWICE, LIVE ON AIR AMERICA, suggested President Bush be shot. Meh, what do I know.
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I guess since we have a new POTUS that the rules have now changed
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It wasn't one of Sarah Palins kids so it doesn't matter.
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I guess since we have a new POTUS that the rules have now changed
I've been saying that for awhile.
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You mean like Richard Stradloff (http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=14827)? Or is it Rick Duncan? Shit, I have such a hard time following them all.
I don't see the relevance to this "news story." What does a guy lying about medals have to do with a kid making a lame prank on the internet?
Perhaps you should ask yourself why Randi "Bottle Whore" Rhodes didn't have the full force of the Secret Service crawling up her alcoholic ass when she not once, but TWICE, LIVE ON AIR AMERICA, suggested President Bush be shot. Meh, what do I know.
Probably for the same reason this kid didn't get arrested. The secret service does not arrest people if it feels they aren't an actual threat. Some radio harpy isn't a credible threat to the President and therefore doesn't get prosecuted. Some dumbass kid also is not a credible threat, and doesn't get prosecuted. You're just making my point for me, Secret Service is treating threats against Obama the same way they treated threats against Bush.
A bunch of armed rednecks driving up to DC in a van with an actual plot end up arrested because they're an actual threat. (albeit not much of one, anyone planning to do a drive-by with the weapons they had has obviously never tried to fire a gun from a moving vehicle before...)
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I've been saying that for awhile.
I never noticed but I guess they say brilliant minds think alike
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I don't see the relevance to this "news story." What does a guy lying about medals have to do with a kid making a lame prank on the internet?
Probably for the same reason this kid didn't get arrested. The secret service does not arrest people if it feels they aren't an actual threat. Some radio harpy isn't a credible threat to the President and therefore doesn't get prosecuted. Some dumbass kid also is not a credible threat, and doesn't get prosecuted. You're just making my point for me, Secret Service is treating threats against Obama the same way they treated threats against Bush.
A bunch of armed rednecks driving up to DC in a van with an actual plot end up arrested because they're an actual threat. (albeit not much of one, anyone planning to do a drive-by with the weapons they had has obviously never tried to fire a gun from a moving vehicle before...)
Rednecks?
Please use your dictionary and define that for us.
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Rednecks?
Please use your dictionary and define that for us.
Yes, it looks like our little noob is showing his true "colors" early and often.
And sorry, an on-air personality calling for the death of a president IS an actionable threat. Worse still, she didn't learn after the first episode. Try defending THAT.
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Yes, it looks like our little noob is showing his true "colors" early and often.
And sorry, an on-air personality calling for the death of a president IS an actionable threat. Worse still, she didn't learn after the first episode. Try defending THAT.
I would think it is an actionable threat considering that Beck , Rush and others are considered to be inciting hate and violence.
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You call me a jack ass but all of the facts have been proven just check your local library go on to the newspaper serch thing and type "BUSH COCAINE" OR "BUSH DUI" OR "BUSH LIED" and you will see the truth dont ask me to write you an essay documenting sources and providing a bibliogrophy and index for all facts that I state, do I also need to provide proof that the sky is blue???
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You call me a jack ass but all of the facts have been proven just check your local library go on to the newspaper serch thing and type "BUSH COCAINE" OR "BUSH DUI" OR "BUSH LIED" and you will see the truth dont ask me to write you an essay documenting sources and providing a bibliogrophy and index for all facts that I state, do I also need to provide proof that the sky is blue???
Is it so hard to provide just one solid fact to support your claim?
Didn't think you could back it up, jackass.
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You call me a jack ass but all of the facts have been proven just check your local library go on to the newspaper serch thing and type "BUSH COCAINE" OR "BUSH DUI" OR "BUSH LIED" and you will see the truth dont ask me to write you an essay documenting sources and providing a bibliogrophy and index for all facts that I state, do I also need to provide proof that the sky is blue???
Provide one legitimate source for each claim, or STFU and DIAF.
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
Waaaah!!!1111 No one is sexist on this site. Your description however, does fit in perfectly for DemonRat Underground, except they are anti-reality.
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
You have been repeatedly asked to provide support for your argument. You have continued to fail to do so. You have failed miserably, and do not appear to comprehend the concept of debate. Now you blame your opponents? Please provide evidence of "descrimination".
That is typical of liberals. They cannot back up what they claim, then play victim.
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
Facts from reliable sources will earn you respect, princess. Throwing tantrums will get you laughed at.
Isn't it time to learn the difference?
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
On the other hand, you are free to state your opinion and list the facts to support your position. The fact that you are a girl, a college student, and a liberal has had no basis in any arguement so far.
On DU we would have been banned about three days ago- shortly after our first post.
I think you should have called us all racists as well. That would have completed the leftist meme quite nicely.
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On the other hand, you are free to state your opinion and list the facts to support your position. The fact that you are a girl, a college student, and a liberal has had no basis in any arguement so far.
On DU we would have been banned about three days ago- shortly after our first post.
I think you should have called us all racists as well. That would have completed the leftist meme quite nicely.
She must have spilled a latte on that page of the Useful Idiots Manual.
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After seeing the confederate flag on one of the posts, i would think that some people on here must be racists, I mean it did represent the enslaving of so many of our people and to continue to wave it... this is worse than waving the Nazi flag.
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After seeing the confederate flag on one of the posts, i would think that some people on here must be racists, I mean it did represent the enslaving of so many of our people and to continue to wave it... this is worse than waving the Nazi flag.
You really should study some aspect of history other than art.
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After seeing the confederate flag on one of the posts, i would think that some people on here must be racists, I mean it did represent the enslaving of so many of our people and to continue to wave it... this is worse than waving the Nazi flag.
I for one would not be surprised to see these flags together soon. The "rebel flag" is more of a symbol of states rights and southern pride pride than racism. You racist Dems, just won't see that.
(http://www.letsseechange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dont-tread-on-me.jpg)(http://satansspawn.rentyman.com/extra/rebel_flag.gif)
I do like this flag image.
(http://www.matthewgood.org/wp-content/uploads//rebel_flag_bg12.jpg)
:tongue:
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
Hey there now.....cool your jets. We do like debate here. Matter of fact, I asked you oh about two to three questions just last Thursday, that you hadn't answered yet. And here I was asking you for YOUR opinion.
Debate requires two mature, cool-headed, non-emotional, well-researched individuals, or teams......just sayin is all.
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After seeing the confederate flag on one of the posts, i would think that some people on here must be racists, I mean it did represent the enslaving of so many of our people and to continue to wave it... this is worse than waving the Nazi flag.
It would appear that you know very little about the flags that you mention, and what they stood for.........
doc
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You call me a jack ass but all of the facts have been proven just check your local library go on to the newspaper serch thing and type "BUSH COCAINE" OR "BUSH DUI" OR "BUSH LIED" and you will see the truth dont ask me to write you an essay documenting sources and providing a bibliogrophy and index for all facts that I state, do I also need to provide proof that the sky is blue???
Ah yes, she of the, "If it's on the Internet, it **MUST** be true!" crowd.
Damn, does it actually HURT to be as stupid as you?
Tell me, is Obama a Muslim because someone on the Internet makes the claim? I did a Google for "Obama cocaine" and got 2,530,000 hits. Hmmmm...maybe that's because he ADMITTED doing cocaine?
"Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though," (excerpt from Dreams From My Father).
Oh, well, that's a ****ing relief! Admit to things that would, were one an ordinary nobody, get one fired from a sensitive position or lead to the revocation or denial of a security clearance, little shit like that, right?
Do you even think before you type or do you just get your panties in a wad when someone contradicts the pablum you've been fed? And here I thought the whole point of "higher education" was to teach someone to become a critical thinker. Guess you got ripped off on that score too, sugar. Do us all a favor, just leave, go sharpen up your mental machete, and when you think you're ready to come back and debate us on the facts, go back and study some more, because as a wise person once said, "There are those who know, there are those who don't know, but that poor idiot doesn't even SUSPECT."
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
Uh, brain-dead? Tell me something--how long would a conservative voice last on DU, Kos, or Huffpo? About 60 fewer posts than you've run up thus far. Project much, or did you not get enough date-rape (and really, that's not "rape rape") this weekend?
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
No, dearest...
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jr11223344/sparta.jpg)
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
What up, esse? Wanna take a swing at our new pinata?
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What up, esse? Wanna take a swing at our new pinata?
I ain't got nothing on you guys; yall are just so dang creative with your pimpslaps upside troll's head.
I'll stick to the emoticons and keep eating popcorn while enjoying the smackdown show.
:hyper: :hyper:
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No, dearest...
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jr11223344/sparta.jpg)
Ummm when I looked at that photo I didn't immediately see the "kicking" leg as a leg.....just sayin'. :p
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Ummm when I looked at that photo I didn't immediately see the "kicking" leg as a leg.....just sayin'. :p
Just because YOU have a dirty mind...maybe it's Schade's bulge again?
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Just because YOU have a dirty mind...maybe it's Schade's bulge again?
I bet it is an artist's rendition of Schade's bulge. :-)
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Ummm when I looked at that photo I didn't immediately see the "kicking" leg as a leg.....just sayin'. :p
And I didn't see what you saw until you pointed "it" out. :innocent:
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And I didn't see what you saw until you pointed "it" out. :innocent:
Now we know where BEG's mind really is.
:naughty:
(ducks under table)
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And I didn't see what you saw until you pointed "it" out. :innocent:
I see everything.
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Um, a bunch of kkk types with beer and rifles driving up with a plot to kill the president because he's black I do refer to as rednecks. (if I remember right, the guys who were arrested actually admitted to this) Sorry if that offends you. Someone willing to kill just because he hates the color of someone's skin doesn't deserve my respect.
I don't think Glenn Beck or this harpy should be prosecuted. Freedom of speech, even when it's offensive. This liberal nutjob obviously wasn't intending to kill someone. She was just using the age-old trick of spouting hateful garbage to boost ratings.
Although Glenn Beck isn't a fair comparison because he's never actually said anybody should be killed. Beck speaks his mind about what's going on and proposes peaceful democratic solutions like protests and voting out corrupt politicians.
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I see everything.
I just turned my webcam towards the wall even though it's offline. :-)
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This is descrimination, this is obviously a sexist, anti-liberal site who doesnt care about debate but rather wants to put a bunch of like minded weasels together to tell each other that you're right all the time, some debate.
Call the f*cking Waaaaaaaambulance....what are you gonna call us next? RACISTS? :lmao: :loser:
Stop parroting DU and support your own statements or STFU and go back to Romper Room...this is cleary not a board for you troll :hammer:
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Call the f*cking Waaaaaaaambulance....what are you gonna call us next? RACISTS? :lmao: :loser:
Stop parroting DU and support your own statements or STFU and go back to Romper Room...this is cleary not a board for you troll :hammer:
"She" already called us racists.
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Um, a bunch of kkk types with beer and rifles driving up with a plot to kill the president because he's black I do refer to as rednecks. .....
Stereotype much? You clearly don't know the true meaning of "redneck".
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What up, esse? Wanna take a swing at our new pinata?
Me next oh puuuuuuuuulze let me I want my chance at the wack a mole please
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Stereotype much? You clearly don't know the true meaning of "redneck".
I was referring to a specific incident involving a bunch of racist idiots getting arrested and used a general stereotypical term because they sortof fitted, yes. Sorry, I'll retract the word redneck and instead refer to them as just a bunch of racist idiots.
(they were in fact racists and did have an idiotic plan)
But that's a derail. These guys had an actual plot and were on the way to trying to carry it out. They got arrested.
I don't think people should get arrested for talking.
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I for one would not be surprised to see these flags together soon. The "rebel flag" is more of a symbol of states rights and southern pride pride than racism. You racist Dems, just won't see that.
(http://www.letsseechange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dont-tread-on-me.jpg)(http://satansspawn.rentyman.com/extra/rebel_flag.gif)
Oh look two Naval Jacks
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I'm thinking its time for this thread to get relocated to MNS. It will be right at home with all the other troll droppings that have appeared over the last couple of months.
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I was referring to a specific incident involving a bunch of racist idiots getting arrested and used a general stereotypical term because they sortof fitted, yes. Sorry, I'll retract the word redneck and instead refer to them as just a bunch of racist idiots.
(they were in fact racists and did have an idiotic plan)
But that's a derail. These guys had an actual plot and were on the way to trying to carry it out. They got arrested.
I don't think people should get arrested for talking.
Really??? Try walking up to one of the nice offices patrolling the outside fence of the White House. Tell him you'd like to harm the President and see what happens. Do nothing but talk and see how far you get. Next try something similar in an airport security line.
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Really??? Try walking up to one of the nice offices patrolling the outside fence of the White House. Tell him you'd like to harm the President and see what happens. Do nothing but talk and see how far you get. Next try something similar in an airport security line.
:whatever:
I remember right after the person was arrested for the shoe bomb well I was walking with my son on post and we got to the gate of the post we lived in. Well my son being a innocent child (5years old) happened to mention just as we were getting to the gate he had a bomb on his shoe. The young PFC manning the gate pulled us to the side and asked us what was going on. My son sweetly explained how he just walked through dog sh*t. Although my son thought he was being silly he almost got us in a world of trouble.
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I'm aware that you can in some circumstances get arrested for talking. I just think that's wrong.
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I'm aware that you can in some circumstances get arrested for talking. I just think that's wrong.
Perjury
Libel
Slander
False Witness
Threats
Harassment
You must be a real peach if you think those are okay.
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Good grief!!!!!!! This troll is so stupid my bassets wouldn't even use her for a chew toy!
In-****ingCredible! And to think, this ignorant slug is enrolled in higher education and votes! Uh, what precinct of ACORN do you belong to, troll?
My apologies to the slugs!
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I'm aware that you can in some circumstances get arrested for talking. I just think that's wrong.
Oh, so yelling, "FIRE!" in a crowded movie house is okay by your standards? Sorry, but even the First Amendment has limits.
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Lying under oath and causing direct harm ("fire!") are different. I should clarify. Talking that does not cause harm should not be criminal.
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Lying under oath and causing direct harm ("fire!") are different. I should clarify. Talking that does not cause harm should not be criminal.
Does that include the threat of harm?
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Does that include the threat of harm?
If the threat is credible it is harmful.
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If the threat is credible it is harmful.
Oh, goody--now we're getting somewhere. And next question: who gets to decide what is and isn't "credible"?
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Oh, goody--now we're getting somewhere. And next question: who gets to decide what is and isn't "credible"?
And why is it not reasonable for a LEO (cop) to operate on the assumption that if you make the threat, you have the means of executing said threat?
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And why is it not reasonable for a LEO (cop) to operate on the assumption that if you make the threat, you have the means of executing said threat?
Ya see? There ya go, making sense!
Tell me, Deuce, do you think the policeman in HERE (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/09/22/2007-09-22_mit_student_arrested_at_logan_airport_fo-3.html) used sound judgement, or should the assclown in question have simply gone her merry way?
Believe it or not, I had discussions with people (Kelly from the now-defunct SCC) who saw nothing wrong with this person's actions.
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I don't think people should get arrested for talking.
Good. Then I want you down at the nearest major airport, inside a terminal area, waving to someone and yelling, "HI, JACK!"
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Ya see? There ya go, making sense!
Tell me, Deuce, do you think the policeman in HERE (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/09/22/2007-09-22_mit_student_arrested_at_logan_airport_fo-3.html) used sound judgement, or should the assclown in question have simply gone her merry way?
Believe it or not, I had discussions with people (Kelly from the now-defunct SCC) who saw nothing wrong with this person's actions.
The idiot is lucky to still be among the living, IMO.
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Good. Then I want you down at the nearest major airport, inside a terminal area, waving to someone and yelling, "HI, JACK!"
I agree with him, though. Talk/Thought should not be punishable. I recognize the limits of the 1st, but that goal post is being moved constantly, and I'm frustrated.
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I agree with him, though. Talk/Thought should not be punishable. I recognize the limits of the 1st, but that goal post is being moved constantly, and I'm frustrated.
If you want a single rule of thumb that keeps that goal post in the crosshairs, I've found this one works: Don't say anything for which you aren't willing to take full responsibility. It's amazing how often that little rule keeps me out of anal probes by humorless civil servants (actually they aren't truly humorless; it's just that they've heard the same stupid joke only 70 times a day, every single working day of their adult life, and IT ISN"T FRIKKIN' FUNNY ANY *******ED MORE!!!!!!!11111eleventyeleventyone!!).
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If you want a single rule of thumb that keeps that goal post in the crosshairs, I've found this one works: Don't say anything for which you aren't willing to take full responsibility. It's amazing how often that little rule keeps me out of anal probes by humorless civil servants (actually they aren't truly humorless; it's just that they've heard the same stupid joke only 70 times a day, every single working day of their adult life, and IT ISN"T FRIKKIN' FUNNY ANY *******ED MORE!!!!!!!11111eleventyeleventyone!!).
Problem with that... Thirty years ago, one could tell a joke and never have to worry about "taking responsibility" for it. But the line has moved a LOT, and that same joke could likely get one fired.
So your model, while simple, limits the crap out of free speech.
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Don't say anything for which you aren't willing to take full responsibility.
:cheersmate:
Rights are self-limiting. Yours end where another's begin.
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Problem with that... Thirty years ago, one could tell a joke and never have to worry about "taking responsibility" for it. But the line has moved a LOT, and that same joke could likely get one fired.
So your model, while simple, limits the crap out of free speech.
The right to free speech is not absolute. Specifically, your right to free speech amounts to the government having no authority to limit your speech in any way, so long as it does not infringe on anyone else's rights.
You have no right to expect the same from your employer. They can limit the crap out of your free speech.
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Problem with that... Thirty years ago, one could tell a joke and never have to worry about "taking responsibility" for it. But the line has moved a LOT, and that same joke could likely get one fired.
So your model, while simple, limits the crap out of free speech.
While things were much different 30 years, I think more was changed by 9-11. There is also the wider schism between the left and the right, which seems to have outlawed political humor, and makes it all into political attacks or RACISM !!!!!
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While things were much different 30 years, I think more was changed by 9-11. There is also the wider schism between the left and the right, which seems to have outlawed political humor, and makes it all into political attacks or RACISM !!!!!
Bingo. There was once a time when I could actually tell ethnic jokes with a person of that persuasion (close personal friend), but no longer.
Being politically correct has completely overtaken the sensibilities of everybody. If you value your job, if you want to stay out of court, if you just want to survive another day, political/ethnic/racial/gender jokes are completely verboten.
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The right to free speech is not absolute. Specifically, your right to free speech amounts to the government having no authority to limit your speech in any way, so long as it does not infringe on anyone else's rights.
You have no right to expect the same from your employer. They can limit the crap out of your free speech.
I have major concerns with anythign not being absolute, frankly. Because if we take that position, then we've effectively given permission to take everything away under the guise of safety, or fairness or anythign else. I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong, but I can't get logic wrapped around a moveable line.
How does speach infringe on another person's rights?
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I have major concerns with anythign not being absolute, frankly. Because if we take that position, then we've effectively given permission to take everything away under the guise of safety, or fairness or anythign else. I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong, but I can't get logic wrapped around a moveable line.
How does speach infringe on another person's rights?
Ummm, I would interpret his comment to mean that governments are held to absolutes (or should be) while organizations apart from governments may set their own rules vis a vis speech.
The examples used as limitations to free speech, i.e., yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater, etc., frequently employ the use of logic (which, by definition, isn't absolute) in the interest of public safety.
But hell, what do I know? I'm just a freakin' musician. :-)
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I have major concerns with anythign not being absolute, frankly. Because if we take that position, then we've effectively given permission to take everything away under the guise of safety, or fairness or anythign else. I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong, but I can't get logic wrapped around a moveable line.
How does speach infringe on another person's rights?
I said free speech is not absolute within the context of an employer-employee contract.
To your question, I'll offer a simple example. Perjury or bearing false witness is technically "just speech." However, it can lead to someone being falsely imprisoned, infringing on their right to liberty and/or life. The right to life and liberty cannot be infringed without due process. That process is perverted by perjury (again, technically just speech) so we very rightly limit speech in that way. The right to free speech for you ends when your speech infringes on another's right to life and liberty.
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I said free speech is not absolute within the context of an employer-employee contract.
Got it - read it wrong.
To your question, I'll offer a simple example. Perjury or bearing false witness is technically "just speech." However, it can lead to someone being falsely imprisoned, infringing on their right to liberty and/or life. The right to life and liberty cannot be infringed without due process. That process is perverted by perjury (again, technically just speech) so we very rightly limit speech in that way. The right to free speech for you ends when your speech infringes on another's right to life and liberty.
fair enough.
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Got it - read it wrong.
I was just about to post and correct myself. I didn't clearly say what I meant, so you didn't really get anything wrong. I think we're on the same page now though.
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Bingo. There was once a time when I could actually tell ethnic jokes with a person of that persuasion (close personal friend), but no longer.
Being politically correct has completely overtaken the sensibilities of everybody. If you value your job, if you want to stay out of court, if you just want to survive another day, political/ethnic/racial/gender jokes are completely verboten.
You can still make jokes about southern redneck/crackers without reprisal from the left. Of course Christians are fair game also.
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You can still make jokes about southern redneck/crackers without reprisal from the left. Of course Christians are fair game also.
The correct term is "White honkey cracker." Please use correctly. :-)
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The correct term is "White honkey cracker." Please use correctly. :-)
I dunno. I just recently replaced my green car, named Greenie, with a white one that I named Whitey. I was told I ought not to do that because people would think I was racist. Say wha?
Please keep in mind that I am not of the mindset to name cars. When the green one started having major problems, as I was speaking of it, they asked me what it's name was. :mental: I just said Greenie. Stands to reason, the white one by default is now Whitey. But why I can't use that word is beyond me.
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But hell, what do I know? I'm just a freakin' musician. :-)
Ya know, musicians typically have an IQ higher than average. Although, since you were in the Army, that does raise a question on the validity of that premise. :popcorn:
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I dunno. I just recently replaced my green car, named Greenie, with a white one that I named Whitey. I was told I ought not to do that because people would think I was racist. Say wha?
Please keep in mind that I am not of the mindset to name cars. When the green one started having major problems, as I was speaking of it, they asked me what it's name was. :mental: I just said Greenie. Stands to reason, the white one by default is now Whitey. But why I can't use that word is beyond me.
I had a green truck that was referred to as the P.O.S. by everyone in the family. My mechanic just called it the big, green hemorrhoid.
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Ya know, musicians typically have an IQ higher than average. Although, since you were in the Army, that does raise a question on the validity of that premise. :popcorn:
Go ahead! Question away!
(But I've got the answers....)
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