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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 24, 2009, 01:17:10 PM
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Oh my.
armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-11-09 06:18 PM
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So I'm thinking about getting a motorcycle and I need advice...
I have very limited riding experience on mostly quads. I have ridden a small dirt bike a few times.
I'm thinking about getting a Ninja 250. But I've also thought about bigger bikes.
I'm a college student that lives half a mile from campus. I don't usually commute further than 15-20 miles from my house.
What do you guys think would be a good starter bike for me?
I dunno.
The militant gigolo primitive is already in trouble in school, for alcohol and grades, and it's not even halfway through the first semester at Arizona State yet.
One suspects the militant gigolo doesn't have a promising--and most surely a short one--academic career anyway, and besides, he's poor, and so perhaps the militant gigolo primitive should just stick with walking that half-mile to campus--which isn't like it's halfway across the globe, after all--until he gets his head screwed on straight.
david13 (670 posts) Fri Sep-11-09 06:21 PM
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1. How about a Ninja 250.
Is that one of those cartoon motorcycles?
The only motorcycles with which franksolich is acquainted are Mohawks; otherwise they're all just motorized bicycles to him.
armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-11-09 06:23 PM
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2. That's #1 on my list. But would that be a fun bike to ride?
I want something that's practical, but I also would like something that I can have fun on. I've talked to a few people that own 250s and the opinion is split. Some said that it's very fun to ride. Others said that it gets boring after a while.
david13 (670 posts) Fri Sep-11-09 09:47 PM
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3. Maybe they just mean riding gets boring after a while. It is just driving. And after enough miles, one is ready to get off, and just sit in a chair.
It's deadly out there for motorcycles. So it's twice as energy absorbing as driving a car. If you want to stay alive.
But a few days away from it, and one would like to get out there again.
The fun is not the freeway, nor city streets. The fun is out onto the country roads thru' the forest or hills, etc.
Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-11-09 10:16 PM
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4. A 250 gets boring after a while because it is slow.
If you want to ride on the weekends you may find yourself at speeds above 60, and a 250 does not have much left at that point. But it does make a good starter bike.
The Motorcycle Safety Foundation is where you want to go right now. Take their beginner course. They teach on 250s so you will be riding what you will probably buy. I took this course and it not only taught me a great deal but it also gave me confidence that I did not have before. I took it in April, started riding on an old KZ400 and in early July I bought an Intruder 800 and am very happy with it. I am not a hot dog on the bike, but I do like to blast up an on ramp when I feel like it. The power of the 800 is great when I get on a freeway (although I am only on freeways briefly, still new at it). It's also damned easy and comfortable to ride.
Get a 250 if you want, just don't pay a lot. I don't mean get a clunker, I mean search for a good deal so that when you want to move up you won't be out of money. Are you sure you want a sport bike? If so, and considering your student status and you shortish commute the 250 Ninja might be a perfect fit. If you like cruisers you might look at the Nighthawk 250. Anyways, take the MSF course. Not only will you learn a LOT, but at the end when you pass your riding course you will get a cert that will allow you to bypass taking the riding test at the DMV. That's how it worked for me here in SoCal.
happyslug (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-12-09 02:06 AM
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5. The real issue is HOW DO YOU SEE YOURSELF AS A CYCLIST
If you see a motorcycle just as a means to get from A to B, then a 250 is good enough. It is a basic level of transport with excellent fuel economy. It can keep up with traffic, and in those cases where traffic is going faster then it, the traffic is light enough to get around the 250 (if there is NOT enough room, everyone should be going below the max speed of the 250 anyway, do to other vehicle and shear volume of traffic).
On the other hand if you want a cycle to be a motorcyclist, then a 250 is to small. You want the bigger bike, even if you never go anywhere near its max speed. You will justify the extra power for various reasons, such as keeping up with traffic, being able to "Speed out" of an accident, etc. If that is how you view yourself a 250 will become to small in a hurry.
In between these two extremes are people who can justify the bigger bike, but they tend to be people like police who want to chase down fast cars, people who want to go form coast to coast on a bike (and thus want the extra power) etc. A lot of people think they are in this group when they really are in the second ground above, but how you view yourself is important so do not underplay it to much.
Comment of self-image. Marketers have been playing on self-image for years, successfully getting people to buy things they really do not need. You have to be careful of this in yourself, remember bike makers spend millions if not billions of Dollars to get you to buy their bike, and bigger bikes are more profitable then smaller bikes (and thus the push to get people to buy bigger bikes).
The classic tale on this subject is a story I heard in my marketing class in Collage. The auto companies involved were omitted from the stories (For the reason that the companies did NOT really want the story tied in with them, for it show how careful the companies are when it comes to marketing).
The story went this way, two auto companies did a survey on the American people. The first company ask people want they wanted in a car and people told them they wanted a sensible, economical car that had good interior room, good fuel economy and just enough engine to go to and from work and a safe car. The other auto company asked the same question BUT not what the person being asked wanted, but what did his NEIGHBOR wanted in a car. The response was big car, lots of chrome, big fins (This was from the 1950s) and to hell with safely and fuel economy.
Each company built its cars based on the result of their polling. The first company, which made a small, safe, reliable economy car went out of business, while the other company, which built large cars with lots of Chrome and huge fins made lots of money (I suspect the first car company was Kaiser, which tried to break into the car business in the 1950s and went out of business for its cars were not popular while the later was Plymouth whose models in the late 1950s had the biggest fins, most chrome and worse fuel economy and safety record. Kaiser went out of business while Plymouth prospered till the 1990s).
I mention this for the simple reason the motorcycle companies have spent almost as much money as car companies when it comes to convincing you what you need. They also studied people and cater to their weaknesses (and you are in the "Marketing" segment most converted by any seller of goods, you are a young male. Your buying habits are NOT yet fixed, that begins with your first bike (and car).
People tend to stay with a brand their entire life, a brand their often unconsciously start to use in their teens and early 20s. Once "hooked" the company selling that item can count on you buying replacements of that item from that same company (People do change even in the dotage, but as you age you change less and less, that is just how people are, we are creatures of habit and thus will repeat what we did previously unless we have very good reasons to change).
I bring this up for many people view cycles as just a means of transportation (as is walking), but the majority of people put their self-image of themselves in HOW their get around. You have people who want to appear to be successful so their buy Cadillac, even through for all practical purposes the ride of a Caddy (Since at least the 1960s, prior to the 1960s Cadillac were built with better suspensions then Chevrolet's but all that tended to end in the 1960s when the cost of building better cars became just a small part of the actual cost of building a car) is the same as a Chevrolet. The difference between a Cadillac and a Chevrolet over the last 40 or so years is rarely a difference in ride or engine but image and extras on the cars (And most of the Extras you could get standard on a Cadillac were available as options in Chevrolets starting in the 1960s).
My point is simple, make sure you are getting what you need, NOT something you have been told you need by marketers. I rode a 250 in the 1970s and except for interstate highways was fast enough(and on interstates other cars could get around me as I rode on my 250 EXCEPT where traffic was to heavy and then most of the cars had to slow down to my speed even as their barely passed me).
Side note: Over the last four years I have been driving a 80cc motor scooter. It gets up to 40 mph on interstates. On the interstates I do travel on, almost all are inner city so traffic is already going around 40 mph just do to the traffic volume. I also take it on a four lane NON-limited access highway (which is being converted from a two lane highway). On the two lane parts people get upset that I can not go over 45 mph, but on the four lane sections they just pass me by and leave me alone.
A 80 cc is to small for most highway use but I mention it to show you that speed is NOT necessary, and is only really needed on roads where faster traffic can NOT get around you. Such roads are also to be used by Pedestrians, bicyclist and horse drawn wagons so such high speed driver should be going no faster then 55 mph on such roads and a 250 can clearly get up to that speed, I have had my 80cc get up to 50 mph (yes it was downhill but it did hit 50 mph). When I had a 250 it was more then powerful enough to stay at 50 mph even up hills and unless you are on a high speed, low volume highway a 250 is more then enough engine.
The primitive whose favorite tool is the plumber's snake, for his commode:
Robb (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-12-09 12:11 PM
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6. All motorcycles are fun.
Bigger bikes are a different kind of fun for most, but can be intimidating.
I loved my big rallye bike, the power was fantastic and fun, but for day-to-day it was more than was necessary. We still have a 250 dual sport that's an absolute blast to ride, dirt or paved, and lives at around 78 mpg. Used it would probably run about $1500 right now.
Take the MSF course. There are usually several different styles of 250s used, and you can ask to try them out. Dealers donate them for the day for just that purpose -- to get you into different seats.
Bigger is not always better. Sometimes it is.
guitar man (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-14-09 12:58 PM
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7. It depends
First off, how big/tall are you? A 250 might be fine for smaller to medium sized folk but if you're a big guy you may want a bigger bike. There's no rule that says a starter bike has to be small, if you're big you may want something in the 500-650cc range.
Secondly, what type of riding do you anticipate doing most. City/surface streets and two lanes rarely exceeding 60mph or do you want to take to the interstates too?
armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-16-09 06:53 PM
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10. I'm 5'9'' 130 pounds.
Not a big person.
I would be doing mostly city riding with the occasional trip out to the windy highways about 30 miles east. But most of my trips will be less than 15 miles one way. On occasion, I would have to hit the highway to get to my parents house 30 miles away. The freeway speed limit is 65. I'm assuming a 250 could do that.
guitar man (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 09:42 AM
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14. Oh yeah
A 250 would do it fine, a 400-500cc bike would be real nice
Haole Girl (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-14-09 05:21 PM
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8. Get what you want
Keep in mind you might cry when you drop it if it's a nice bike. I know this from experience.
david13 (670 posts) Mon Sep-14-09 06:39 PM
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9. No, girl, no crying. What you do when you get a new bike, is you get a stick or something, and bang it. Wham. Then you get that out of the way, and after that, when you drop it, or somebody bangs it, it doesn't bother you.
Robb (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-21-09 09:28 PM
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15. LOL. When I started riding
...an old timer told me the first thing you do, you push your bike right the hell over. Then walk around and pick it back up.
If you have any problem doing either thing, you've got the wrong bike.
ceveritt (41 posts) Wed Sep-16-09 07:46 PM
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11. Ninja 250
There's way, way, way too much over-thinking going on in these replies.
I've ridden a 250 Ninja. I've ridden for 40 years. I've worked at magazines and done road testing off and on for 27 years.
The answer is, yes, a 250 Ninja would be a splendid first motorcycle. And it is fast enough to keep you entertained for some time.
If you can, purchase one. If you can, take the MSF course. And have a wonderful time. Congratulations, and welcome.
JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 01:54 AM
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13. A 250 should have enough power for most commuting unless you live in the mountains, then you might need more.
Since you mention commuting, you might want to consider the cost of luggage and whether the bike can accommodate it. A couple of side bags, maybe a top bag, they make a bike a lot more useful for commuting and errands. Or just for carrying some tools and parts. I commute to work a lot, and need the bags to hold the computer, lunch, books, raingear.
Well, there goes the student loan money--not for tuition or books or booze or legal fees.
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Used
Ninja Honda Rebel 250s are cheap as dirt because nobody who really wants a motorcycle buys a little girly 250. It's a great way to get your ass killed when a crosswind or a large truck decides to pay you a visit.
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Ha, my first bike was a Honda CB 750, straight outta Purple Rain. Ah...memories.
A 250 would be good if you were considering a 4-wheeler or something. You gotta have some more oomph on a street bike, imo. You're only a true beginner for what, a couple hundred miles maybe? Get something you can kinda grow into.
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I'm pretty sure my son bought my grandson a 250 and he just turned 13. I've never ridden anything smaller than a 450 since I was 16. Only rode that one year before I bought a 1200 Super Sport Harley. Turned out to be a bad decision in the long run as it was when AMF ****ed them up! Ended up with a 1384 Full Dresser. An old cop bike from the 60's. It was a basket case. I don't think 2 parts were connected together! It was the apple of my eye, though! "Toots" didn't like it much. All it had was a ***** pad on the back fender for a passenger. lol!!
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For pure thrills get an old HD ARMY 45 with the suicide clutch, 3-speed hand shift and knee action front suspension... :rotf:...add a side car and you're Barney Fife.
Skip the training wheels, DUmmie, you wanna look like a complete doofus or sumthin?
Or an old Indian 84 with a reverse gear.....try backing that up sometime.
Damn, I'm getting old.
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For pure thrills get an old HD ARMY 45 with the suicide clutch, 3-speed hand shift and knee action front suspension... :rotf:...add a side car and you're Barney Fife.
Skip the training wheels, DUmmie, you wanna look like a complete doofus or sumthin?
Or an old Indian 84 with a reverse gear.....try backing that up sometime.
Damn, I'm getting old.
Wow, I'm surprised you made it.
Those two bikes would go for a mint today in running condition.
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Wow, I'm surprised you made it.
Yeah, me too.
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That's it, that's it, that's it.
"Indian," not "Mohawk" brand of motorcycles.
I saw a 1916 model once, and was impressed. It wasn't, of course, but seemed to be fifty feet long. Really remarkable.
After seeing that, I've never been impressed by other motorcycles, because once one's seen an Indian motorcycle, no point in looking at any others.
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This is the one I'm looking at, but then I've always been a bit different. :-) CJ750 w/sidecar (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CJ750-24HP-Parts-Kit-for-Self-Assemble-Desert-Tan_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem53d7fec1cdQQitemZ360106082765QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
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For pure thrills get an old HD ARMY 45 with the suicide clutch, 3-speed hand shift and knee action front suspension... :rotf:...add a side car and you're Barney Fife.
Skip the training wheels, DUmmie, you wanna look like a complete doofus or sumthin?
Or an old Indian 84 with a reverse gear.....try backing that up sometime.
Damn, I'm getting old.
All else, they could try one of these (http://www.imz-ural.com/).
(http://www.imz-ural.com/patrol/pics/PATROL_White_quarterview_520.jpg)
Not only is it made in Russia (Which the DUmmies will love) it's a 750 with a recommended top speed of 62 mph.
To tell ya the truth, I'm kinda partial to the Sahara model.
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All else, they could try one of these (http://www.imz-ural.com/).
(http://www.imz-ural.com/patrol/pics/PATROL_White_quarterview_520.jpg)
Not only is it made in Russia (Which the DUmmies will love) it's a 750 with a recommended top speed of 62 mph.
To tell ya the truth, I'm kinda partial to the Sahara model.
750 and only 62mph ??????????? I guess that's par for communist engineering.
I had a hot rod Triumph 650 and a BSA that would do almost 3 times that........well 2 1/2 actually.
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I know a guy who's an EMT, or paramedic, or whatever they call the guys who come when you call 911.
He says in their business they refer to motorcycle riders as organ donors.
When I think of acquaintances over the years who have had motorcycles, I cannot remember even one
who rode for any time who was not injured.
Some only contusions and abrasions, but every single one had some kind of injury.
To a non-rider, it seems like a really stupid thing to do. Bullriders get paid.
Even if you have a snake tattooed on your face, you aren't risking your life.
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DUmmy should get himself a bicycle, or maybe a moped, if he wants a practical ride the half mile to school. Personally, I wouldn't take to the highway on anything less than 450 cc's
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750 and only 62mph ??????????? I guess that's par for communist engineering.
I had a hot rod Triumph 650 and a BSA that would do almost 3 times that........well 2 1/2 actually.
There has got tot be a way to tweak it so it will go faster. Not sure if it's the tranny or carbs that needs to be worked.
I seen a Ural at a bike rally in southern Indiana. Around the rally property it was great, but I also seen it out on the highway and it was really dogging it.
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750 and only 62mph ??????????? I guess that's par for communist engineering.
Pretty much. The Volga had a 5.5 liter engine and a top speed of 99 mph.
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That's it, that's it, that's it.
"Indian," not "Mohawk" brand of motorcycles.
I saw a 1916 model once, and was impressed. It wasn't, of course, but seemed to be fifty feet long. Really remarkable.
After seeing that, I've never been impressed by other motorcycles, because once one's seen an Indian motorcycle, no point in looking at any others.
I agree, and I have never ridden one, but they sure are a sight.
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I agree, and I have never ridden one, but they sure are a sight.
(http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00LenaPoRlHQcNM/Petrol-Powered-Skate-PP-RD34A-.jpg)
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(http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00LenaPoRlHQcNM/Petrol-Powered-Skate-PP-RD34A-.jpg)
OH WOW! The new super dooper air polluting, CO2 producing, gas guzzling Obama Peoples Personal Transportation Device.....another giant leap forward thanks to the collective efforts of the engineers of The Peoples Republic of Obamaland. ...sometimes called RePo-land.
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DUmmie should just get a scooter and be done with it....
No shifting, no clutch, just twist the wrist and go....
Don't want to overtax his little "CPU" with all the coordination required to clutch, shift, pull away from lights, brake, etc....
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OH WOW! The new super dooper air polluting, CO2 producing, gas guzzling Obama Peoples Personal Transportation Device.....another giant leap forward thanks to the collective efforts of the engineers of The Peoples Republic of Obamaland. ...sometimes called RePo-land.
20 bucks says it needs premix to run, and it smokes like Zero himself....
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All else, they could try one of these (http://www.imz-ural.com/).
Not only is it made in Russia (Which the DUmmies will love) it's a 750 with a recommended top speed of 62 mph.
To tell ya the truth, I'm kinda partial to the Sahara model.
I think I'll still go with the CJ750, same basic bike without 2WD, but it's less than half the cost @ 4500.00 Oh and it's a flat head too +++++ :-)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/tuolumnejim/90f4_12.jpg)
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I think I'll still go with the CJ750, same basic bike without 2WD, but it's less than half the cost @ 4500.00 Oh and it's a flat head too +++++ :-)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/tuolumnejim/90f4_12.jpg)
Flathead, eh....
Man, you gotta love that 1950's technology.... :rotf:
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I think I'll still go with the CJ750, same basic bike without 2WD, but it's less than half the cost @ 4500.00 Oh and it's a flat head too +++++ :-)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/tuolumnejim/90f4_12.jpg)
Paint that sucker Olive Drab Green and it would look so much like the old Army 45 it ain't funny.
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I think this guy is going to end up painting the town red.
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I think this guy is going to end up painting the town red.
I think the militant gigolo primitive is going to flunk out of college, leaving an unpaid student loan spent on a toy.
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I think the militant gigolo primitive is going to flunk out of college, leaving an unpaid student loan spent on a toy.
If this DUmmy is determined to do someting stupid, I still think he'd be much better advised to
have a snake tattooed on his face. It would ruin his life, but he would at least be alive.
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I think the militant gigolo primitive is going to flunk out of college, leaving an unpaid student loan spent on a toy.
He'll flunk out. But maybe he'll have a knack for the motorcycle. You never know I guess. No school, no responsibility just him and the highway baby! A Rebel with no balls.
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I think that all DUmmies with no riding experience should start with a 'Busa. :evillaugh:
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A Yamaha RD60 would be more the DUmmies' speed.
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A Yamaha RD60 would be more the DUmmies' speed.
A tiny motor powered by gas from a water bottle on a bicycle would work.
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A Yamaha RD60 would be more the DUmmies' speed.
I was thinking of a Honda Dream, but I doubt you could find them anymore....
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Or one of those mopeds from way back . . .
And I actually saw someone on one of those battery-operated scooters yesterday, in Albany. I think he was in the production crew for the movie they're shooting in Albany--gonna be called The Other Guys. Both the opening and closing sequences are being shot in Albany. Screws up the entire downtown for two weeks.