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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 17, 2009, 07:36:52 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9035538
Oh my.
Usually I ignore the militant gigolo primitive because he's such a twerp, but as we're all aware of what happened down there at Arizona State last week, this is the update.
armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 12:31 PM
Original message
Final update on underage drinking charge...
I went to my meeting this morning to discuss the whole party mishap. While the lady was very nice, she spent way too much time explaining why beer pong is "binge" drinking.
I am now on academic probation for 12 months and I have to take a $120 alcohol awareness class.
Because clearly I am not already aware of alcohol or it's effects.
rug (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. When you go ask what's the best grape for claret.
taterguy (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 12:40 PM
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2. Obviously anyone caught drinking Coors needs more education about alcohol
armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I drink what they give me. It's hard to be picky with you can't buy it yourself.
betch.
taterguy (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Man up
Tell me to **** off and that you'll drink whatever you damn well please.
But don't go around blaming others for your failings.
Keep doing that and it will bite you in the ass someday.
Sincerely
A Wiser Elder
MajorChode (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 01:49 PM
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7. I'm just trying to figure out where most of your wisdom lies
In failings or alcohol?
From experience I can opine that they are two pees in the same pisser, but I thought I would defer to your expertise.
armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-17-09 04:50 PM
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8. It's not my fault that it's your fault that I failed.
Maybe next time you'll have the courtesy to bring some shiner bock.
Geezuz.
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I am now on academic probation for 12 months and I have to take a $120 alcohol awareness class.
I haven't been in college for over 15 years, but the penalties for a first time offense were nothing that harsh.
I'm suspecting the militant gigolo primitive isn't telling the whole story. Which would not be surprising.
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I must have missed the original thread that gives the back story of this...anyone got a link?
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I haven't been in college for over 15 years, but the penalties for a first time offense were nothing that harsh.
I'm suspecting the militant gigolo primitive isn't telling the whole story. Which would not be surprising.
It's probably not the first time the budding alcoholic primitive's been in trouble with the joy juice, and so hence maybe perhaps the severity of the penalty.
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I must have missed the original thread that gives the back story of this...anyone got a link?
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,33517.0/
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It's probably not the first time the budding alcoholic primitive's been in trouble with the joy juice, and so hence maybe perhaps the severity of the penalty.
And we know how DUmmies like to lie.
I was never caught with alcohol on campus while underage. I did get a couple of "Minor in Possession" tickets from the local police. Those were something like $50 fines and that was it.
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And we know how DUmmies like to lie.
I was never caught with alcohol on campus while underage.
I used to get caught with alcohol on campus while underage and of age, a lot.
But God was always kind; I was never caught by official law-enforcement.
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I haven't been in college for over 15 years, but the penalties for a first time offense were nothing that harsh.
I'm suspecting the militant gigolo primitive isn't telling the whole story. Which would not be surprising.
I suspect that there is probably more to this story too. Alcohol Education for a first offense I can totally see, but academic probation for 12 months? Was he belligerent, or was it not really his first offense?
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I used to get caught with alcohol on campus while underage and of age, a lot.
But God was always kind; I was never caught by official law-enforcement.
Both of mine were kind of b.s. The first time I was driving with alcohol in the car, unopened, inaccessible to me, which I had purchased with my fake ID. The cop gave me the ticket, and a field sobriety test (which was fine because I was sober). Then he took my beer. :censored:
The second time I was a passenger in a car where two people were 21, and two of us weren't. There was beer in the car, and they asked us all for ID's, and since I wasn't of age, I got another MIP. :banghead:
But no classes to attend or $120 fines.
Back to the militant gigolo primitive...I know someone who works at Arizona State. Perhaps I'll check to see if they know the rules for such offenses. Or perhaps someone could just try and find it via google, if one was so inclined.
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Being on probation for 12 months is for his own good, maybe he'll get his act together and work on his grades. As stupid as he is, if he had followed down the path he was going it was just a matter of time before some frat used him as a urinal.
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Being on probation for 12 months is for his own good, maybe he'll get his act together and work on his grades. As stupid as he is, if he had followed down the path he was going it was just going to be a matter of time before some frat used him as a urinal.
Well, what confuses me is why academic probation for an alcohol offense?
It's too early in the semester to have any grades yet, warranting academic trouble.
Probably every college and university has rules unique to each one, but at the University of Nebraska, academic and civil offenses were considered differently--for example, one could get kicked out of a dormitory for alcohol offenses, but not put on any sort of academic punishment.
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Well, what confuses me is why academic probation for an alcohol offense?
It's too early in the semester to have any grades yet, warranting academic trouble.
Probably every college and university has rules unique to each one, but at the University of Nebraska, academic and civil offenses were considered differently--for example, one could get kicked out of a dormitory for alcohol offenses, but not put on any sort of academic punishment.
frank, I think I've got it. Look at what he says.
armyowalgreens
I am now on academic probation for 12 months and I have to take a $120 alcohol awareness class.
I think when he was admitted, he came in on academic probation. Now after this incident he's not only on academic probation for a year, but on top of that he's also having to take an alcoholic awareness class.
This guy enrolled as a marginal flunky.
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You know, USA4ME, sir, I'm really disappointed.
I utterly overlooked that "and" thing, which is Freudianly significant.
Like you, I'll bet the budding alcoholic primitive was admitted on probation as, speculatively, not a promising student (disclaimer: I was too) likely to be serious about academics and to finish a degree.
So there's probably two things going on here; the alcohol offense and the shaky academic status.
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So there's probably two things going on here; the alcohol offense and the shaky academic status.
Not to mention the doobie they found in his sock.
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Not to mention the doobie they found in his sock.
Well, that's one experience franksolich never shared with the budding alcoholic primitive.
The fascination with the budding alcoholic primitive, for me, is that he very much resembles franksolich at the age of 19 years, his attitude especially, although no one, even someone hostile, would ever have thought of franksolich as a twerp.
And the similarities are the same reason I find the budding alcoholic primitive boring; I've seen it all before, nothing new here, blah blah blah yeah yeah yeah.
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If the school has a strict no alcohol policy....I can see academic probation for a 1st offense(gives them an easy out to boot his ass)...Some schools are gettin to be a real bitch about drinkin on campus......
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If the school has a strict no alcohol policy....I can see academic probation for a 1st offense(gives them an easy out to boot his ass)...Some schools are gettin to be a real bitch about drinkin on campus......
This is Arizona State. Kind of known as a party school. I'm sure they have rules, but this seems a touch excessive for a first offense.
I could be completely wrong, however.
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I bet he is giving them attitude about it
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I think the probation was handed down, not just from the underage drinking but also the purported theft (see earlier thread). He was busted for not one, but TWO code of conduct violations (http://www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap5/chapter_v.htm#5-308) (under "Prohibited Conduct").
If it was just the underage drinking, I don't think ASU hands out anything other than a warning. Even the Tempe Police, who are responsible for busting most of these underage drinkers, acknowledge that first-time offenders don't need to be hauled off to prison.
From a recent AZ Central article on the busts (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/09/03/20090903partyarrest0903.html):
Those arrested were released after being handed citations requiring them to appear in court on misdemeanor charges. First-time offenders are eligible for a diversion program that sends them to a $90 alcohol-education class.
"This isn't the crime of the century," Click said. "We're not trying to turn individual charges into something they're not, but given the magnitude of it, if we don't do something, something bad is going to be the result and we don't want that to happen."
During the past two weeks, two police squads made the rounds at several complexes, including the Vue, on the corner of Apache Boulevard and Rural Road. There, patrol officers were overwhelmed with the underage drinking.
If ASU put every underage student who was caught drinking on probation, the campus would probably cease to exist.
First-time offenders who get busted for underage drinking by Tempe Police are eligible to take a $90 alcohol-education class. I don't know where this guy gets the $120 figure...unless it's something separate that ASU is requiring him to do or this is not his first offense.
As others have stated, he is a DUmmy and so it's safe to assume that we're getting about 1/10 of the truth here.
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I bet he is giving them attitude about it
I bet you are spot on.
He was summoned before the Board of Regents to state his case and discuss what happened. If he had shown even a modicum of regret and humility, I bet it wouldn't have been so harsh.
But he sounds like a punk so I don't expect that he cleaned up his act for the meeting. Gotta fight "the man". :whatever:
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I haven't been in college for over 15 years, but the penalties for a first time offense were nothing that harsh.
I'm suspecting the militant gigolo primitive isn't telling the whole story. Which would not be surprising.
Oh, not necessarily, the "Zero tolerance" disease that imposes Draconian consequences regardless of the scale of offense has only grown in the collecitve mentality of the educational system since then. It is a way for so-called 'Professionals' to avoid having to actually exercise judgment or endure any actual accountability for their decisions.
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Oh, not necessarily, the "Zero tolerance" disease that imposes Draconian consequences regardless of the scale of offense has only grown in the collecitve mentality of the educational system since then. It is a way for so-called 'Professionals' to avoid having to actually exercise judgment or endure any actual accountability for their decisions.
It's the only way those lacking commonsense can operate. Everything must be spelled out to the letter or else they are lost. ....and it is their most highly held belief that they are the intelligent elite and are entitled to lead when in actuality they aren't qualified to lead a donkey cart..
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I suspect that there is probably more to this story too. Alcohol Education for a first offense I can totally see, but academic probation for 12 months? Was he belligerent, or was it not really his first offense?
Colleges these days are pretty hard-core on underage drinking. My cousin attended ASU. I'll find out what the policies are.
However, it sounds to me like someone tore up their dorm room in the process. Couple property damage with underage drinking, and that sounds about right.
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I'm thinking that only was he belligerent, he probably pissed the RA off at some point earlier because most RAs are inclined to overlook a first offense if the person isn't a troublemaker. I was caught multiple times with booze as an undergrad, but my RA never wrote me up because I was a good kid who didn't cause trouble.
So yeah, there's a LOT missing to this story.
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My college didn't turn hard-core about drinking until I was a senior and off living in my own apartment. In fact they weren't even soft-core. I lived in a co-ed dorm, and we would have a great time playing quarters. Those were the days.
I don't much like A of W, as he went on a recent tirade, passionately yearning for socialism for this country.
Speaking of these useless "awareness" courses, a woman I work with was required to attend a "How to be Pregnant" class over the weekend. Her doctor required it from all patients before he would take any case. She was deeply insulted by this, as it suggests she's too stupid to independently read books, etc. about it. She's not some dingbat teenager, either. She's a married woman in her late 20's. The dumbing down of America.
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Oh, not necessarily, the "Zero tolerance" disease that imposes Draconian consequences regardless of the scale of offense has only grown in the collecitve mentality of the educational system since then. It is a way for so-called 'Professionals' to avoid having to actually exercise judgment or endure any actual accountability for their decisions.
"Zero tolerance" is an awful disease. But it's a predictable, not altogether unreasonable response to the real disease in our society, which is the cancerous influence of trial lawyers. Any exercise of judgment in the educational system is an open invitation to litigation. And once litigation starts, it does not matter if the judgment was impeccable. The legal expense makes the defendant a loser, regardless the merits of the case.
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University of Pheonix has no such rules that I am aware of :evillaugh:
But then again I don't drink,