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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: djones520 on September 17, 2009, 04:32:51 AM
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WASHINGTON -- The White House will shelve Bush administration plans to build a missile-defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, according to people familiar with the matter, a move likely to cheer Moscow and roil the security debate in Europe.
The U.S. will base its decision on a determination that Iran's long-range missile program has not progressed as rapidly as previously estimated, reducing the threat to the continental U.S. and major European capitals, according to current and former U.S. officials.
The findings, expected to be completed as early as next week following a 60-day review ordered by President Barack Obama, would be a major reversal from the Bush administration, which pushed aggressively to begin construction of the Eastern European system before leaving office in January.
The Bush administration proposed the European-based system to counter the perceived threat of Iran developing a nuclear weapon that could be placed atop its increasingly sophisticated missiles. There is widespread disagreement over the progress of Iran's nuclear program toward developing such a weapon, but miniaturizing nuclear weapons for use on long-range missiles is one of the most difficult technological hurdles for an aspiring nuclear nation.
The Bush plan infuriated the Kremlin, which argued the system was a potential threat to its own intercontinental ballistic missiles. U.S. officials repeatedly insisted the location and limited scale of the system -- a radar site in the Czech Republic and 10 interceptor missiles in Poland -- posed no threat to Russian strategic arms.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/17/shelve-nuclear-missile-shield-europe/
Another story "released" in the middle of the night. :whatever:
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There's no reason to defend against the communists, when you basically agree with their theories.
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Why should the US continue to defend that bunch of ingrates.
If the euros want missile defenses I'm sure they can build them themself. :whatever:
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Why should the US continue to defend that bunch of ingrates.
If the euros want missile defenses I'm sure they can build them themself. :whatever:
In no way are the Poles ingrates.........not even close
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In no way are the Poles ingrates.........not even close
I did mean Europe as a whole entity - not Poland in specific case.
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This sellout has in the works for a while. Last month we made an offer to the Russians that we wouldn't put in the same GBI ABM system as we have in Alaska and California (the one they are screaming bloody murder about) and would instead put in a ground-based AEGIS ABM system which has far less range than the GBI system.
The Russians rejected that as well.
We just hung the Poles out to dry. We are backing off in hope that the Russians will help us contain the Iranian missile and nuclear programs--both of which the Iranians have said are "not for negotiating"...
Obama is making Carter look liek a foreign policy genius.
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If I compare Obama to Neville Chamberlain, is that racist?
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If I compare Obama to Neville Chamberlain, is that racist?
According to Newsweek (http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/09/newsweek_declar_1.html), just being born makes you a racist.
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I have to say, Obumbler is just AWESOME, he threw Europe under the bus.
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I have to say, Obumbler is just AWESOME, he threw Europe under the bus.
But, Europeans were some of his biggest cheerleaders. :tongue:
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Poland was fast becoming one of our better allies in Easter Europe. To the point that back about four years ago when there was grumbling of the Germans kicking us completely out of the country Poland was considered as a country to move our Eurpoean forces to.
Now in one fell swoop this administration has given a giant middle finger to two new and emerging allies and a big thumbs up to two countries that would love to bring us to our knees.
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And he announces this on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet Invasion. Real good timing, again, moronbama.
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Here is what the Stratfor report has to say. Let's see if BO was a good negotiatior or a wimp the the Russkies are laughing thier butts of about right now. I know where my money is....
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----- Original Message -----
Intelligence Guidance (Special Edition): Sept. 17, 2009 - U.S. Withdrawal on BMD
September 17, 2009 | 1339 GMT
DMITRY ASTAKHOV/AFP/Getty Images
U.S. President Barack Obama (L) and Russian President Dmitri Medvedev in Moscow on July 7Editor's Note: The following is an internal STRATFOR document produced to provide high-level guidance to our analysts. This document is not a forecast, but rather a series of guidelines for understanding and evaluating events, as well as suggestions on areas for focus.
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U.S.: Backing Down on BMD
U.S., Russia: The Wider Ramifications of Pulling BMD Plans
Ballistic missile defense (BMD) as a military system had no significance for either Poland or the Czech Republic. It was not designed to defend them. Rather, its presence was a symbol to both countries that the United States was prepared to defend them, because it has a vital strategic asset in their countries. The shock in Poland and Czech Republic is about a symbolic shift from their point of view.
What we need to analyze is whether this has any substantial meaning. The question at hand is the state of U.S.-Polish/Czech military cooperation in other areas. Beneath this is the commitment of the United States - outside the context of NATO - for a bilateral relationship, particularly with Poland. Will the United States substitute increased military cooperation for the loss of BMD?
As the news spins that the United States has decided to shelve their plans for BMD system in Poland and the Czech Republic, it seems as if the Americans have given a major concession to the Russians, who have been staunchly opposed to the system.
The timing of the decision is clearly intended to induce Russian cooperation with the United States over Iran. The question is whether there was any prior understanding with Russia regarding this matter. Does the United States have some understanding of a quid pro quo with Russia? The Russian-U.S. tussle over the issue of BMD in Central Europe was never really about BMD. The system never gave Poland anything. It was about the future of U.S.-Polish military cooperation. This is what defines Russia's view of its relationship with the United States.
It is expected that a lot of noise will come out of Poland on the BMD issue, but this by itself has no influence on that unless it is a general redefinition of the U.S. relationship with Poland.
The key here is to focus on U.S.-Russian relations in the aftermath of this deal and focus on it in terms of, first, Russia's next actions on Iran and, second, whether the United States is making substantial shifts on Poland.
STRATFOR will be concentrating on gathering information on this now in Moscow and Washington. That's where this is being played out.
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I just heard on either Rush's or Hannity's show that the Poles are SO pissed off at Zero that they are refusing to accept calls from Sec. of State Hitlery Klintoon.... :rotf:
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I just heard on either Rush's or Hannity's show that the Poles are SO pissed off at Zero that they are refusing to accept calls from Sec. of State Hitlery Klintoon.... :rotf:
I think they were very unhappy with Dear Leader when he snubbed Poland during the commemoration ceremony of the start of WWII. No high level officials from the US attended.
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The timing of the decision is clearly intended to induce Russian cooperation with the United States over Iran. The question is whether there was any prior understanding with Russia regarding this matter. Does the United States have some understanding of a quid pro quo with Russia?
Exactly. Reason number 123,453,789 that STRATFOR is required reading.
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If I didn't know better - Id start to think that Lord Zero is a holocaust denier with the way he has been thumbing his nose at Warsaw.
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If I didn't know better - Id start to think that Lord Zero is a holocaust denier with the way he has been thumbing his nose at Warsaw.
Who else is big on denying the Holocaust ? Mostly Arab states, I believe . What do they have in common? Islam? Now why would 0Bama be like them? :-)
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Just plain FUBAR. In one stroke, we give the Russians everything they wanted, for nothing in return; stabbed Poland and the Czechs in the back; told the Ukranians and Georgians they can't rely on us for jack against the Russians; locked our focus on a single avenue of threat from Iran; and hinted to the Iranians they better launch their solid fuel rockets at Israel because we're not even looking for them in that direction. Jesus F. Christ.
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What's the reaction at the DUmp? I thought Obumbler was going to make the Europeons love us again?
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I'm sure we all remember all the Polish/Pollock jokes we've heard as kids (I never understood the meaning behind the Polish being the butt of these jokes anyway). Now, I wouldn't be surprised if the Polish are making these same kind of jokes about Obama.
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I'm sure we all remember all the Polish/Pollock jokes we've heard as kids (I never understood the meaning behind the Polish being the butt of these jokes anyway). Now, I wouldn't be surprised if the Polish are making these same kind of jokes about Obama.
It would be racist. :whatever:
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It would be racist. :whatever:
Is it still racist if they're true?
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It would be racist. :whatever:
So is the sun for being yellow and not brown.
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Is it still racist if they're true?
The only thing you ever HAVE to apologize for is the truth. Check out Joe Wilson, the latest example.
So, according to the lib morons, yes.
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Just plain FUBAR. In one stroke, we give the Russians everything they wanted, for nothing in return; stabbed Poland and the Czechs in the back; told the Ukranians and Georgians they can't rely on us for jack against the Russians; locked our focus on a single avenue of threat from Iran; and hinted to the Iranians they better launch their solid fuel rockets at Israel because we're not even looking for them in that direction. Jesus F. Christ.
Just heard on the top of the hour radio news here in KC that our esteemed Secretary of State, Ms. Clinton attempted to call the Polish president this morning to discuss the issue, and he refused to accept her call.........
What a statesman we have in the WH.........one would have thought that a matter of this import would have been discussed in advance with the involved parties.........honestly, this jug-eared clown will make us the laughing stock of the free world before its over........
doc
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Good for him. F*** me once, shame on you; f*** me twice...
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Good for him. F*** me once, shame on you; f*** me twice...
I can almost certainly predict that the next we hear from the Poles and Czechs will be the announcement that they will withdraw their troops from both theaters in the middle east......which will indirectly result in more American casualties there.......great job asshole!!
doc
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Good for him. F*** me once, shame on you; f*** me twice...
Not the first time in history we've screwed over central Europe. You'd think that Obama, with all of his vast intelligence (wheeze) and experience (ahem), and with the greatest of statesmen, Joe Biden (cough) as VP, he'd avoid these serious, devastating blunders.
And he campaigned on regaining our world stature? Which stature? The one during the Carter years? I only hope we have another Reagan in the works to undo some of this damage.