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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: MrsSmith on September 09, 2009, 07:48:42 AM
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-09-09 08:39 AM
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Poll question: Should The Health Care Crisis be considered a State of Emergenecy?(sic)
More than 18,000 Americans are dying each year because they can't afford healthcare (study from 2002, the numbers are projected to be worse today). 3017 people died in 9/11 and more than 1800 people died in Katrina.
Should the Health Care Crisis be considered a State of Emergency?
Don't even ask me why the numbers from 9/11 and Katrina are significant to a healthcare study...maybe if we'd had HillaryCare back then, the terrorists and hurricanes would have missed? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
It's a brand new bonfire, no replies yet (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6497599)
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Where do they come up with this number? I keep hearing it, but haven't seen evidence that would support the claim.
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Didn't some idiot DUmmy propose that a State of Emergency be declared, sometime circa late 2006, early 2007? This coincided with the Democrat party re-taking control of Congress, and the "grounds" were that President Bush was mentally unstable/an illegal occupant of the office, or some such nonsense.
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Where do they come up with this number? I keep hearing it, but haven't seen evidence that would support the claim.
How DUmmies and the left come up with the misleading numbers about healthcare:
(http://brotherpeacemaker.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/head_up_your_ass.jpg)
"Hey I found those numbers on Obamacare you wanted!'
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Healthcare "crisis"? Talk about delusional.
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Healthcare "crisis"? Talk about delusional.
Yeah but remember this is a group that considers it a national emergency if they run out of Cheetos before their weed runs out.
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Okay, but once those 18,000 are gone do we have a crisis anymore?
Cindie
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Okay, but once those 18,000 are gone do we have a crisis anymore?
Cindie
Nope! According to DUmmies, when those 18,000 kick the bucket, there are 18,000 more waiting in the wings. It's an infinite progression, doncha know!
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Odd that I don't see that 18,000 number listed on the CDC web page.
Number of deaths for leading causes of death
* Heart disease: 631,636
* Cancer: 559,888
* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
* Diabetes: 72,449
* Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
* Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
* Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
* Septicemia: 34,234
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Odd that I don't see that 18,000 number listed on the CDC web page.
The top four can all be caused by lifestyle choices. Not saying anything, just sayin'. :uhsure:
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Obama seems to see it as an emergency - why else would he call an ultra-rare joint session of Congress ? Joint sessions are for SOTU speeches, Declaration of war and declaration of victory.
The only war I see Obama declaring is a war against his sagging poll numbers. The opening salvo was the back to school speech yesterday.
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Where do they come up with this number? I keep hearing it, but haven't seen evidence that would support the claim.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/2002-05-22-insurance-deaths.htm
18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance
By Steve Sternberg, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.
The 193-page report, "Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late," (http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/4/160/Uninsured2FINAL.pdf) examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don't provide insurance and who don't qualify for government medical care...
One problem...I can't find the "18,000" anywhere in the report.
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Wonder how many people die from wrecks each year due to poor maintenance of tires? Die of heart attacks because of poor maintenance of diet? I mean, damn, isn't there a time when personal responsibility should be taken into account?
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It is the same argument that says "free" healthcare will save money because it will provide preventative care for children so they will be healthier.
I have asked people saying this how many doctors visits growing up will prevent a person from starting smoking,drinking too much,having a stroke,having an accident of some kind and so on.
It is based on nothing but it sounds good.
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Shagbark Hickory (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:55 AM
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1. Abso****ing lutley!!!!
And for that matter, so should the number of unemployed and under-employed. We need emergency aide.... FEMA checks... to those who are suffering from medical expenses due to lack of coverage or denied claims as well as those who are not able to find employment.
heh :-)
57_TomCat (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:17 PM
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8. I keep wondering who...
is going to pay for all this health care?
How dare you!! :evillaugh:
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DUmmies just want a state of emergency declared so they can be shipped off to the FEMA camps and have all their needs taken care of there. :evillaugh:
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57_TomCat (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:17 PM
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8. I keep wondering who...
is going to pay for all this health care?
The evil rich of course. :whatever: