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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on September 06, 2009, 12:57:38 AM
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No discuusion of:
A) did he reallt say/mean all that stuff?
B) does the fact he said it hurt Obama?
Just much wailing and gnashing of teeth:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4047398
and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4047377
enjoy
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jmodden (66 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Beck
resorted to McCarthyism in attacking Jones. He called him a "commie"...quaint.
Ummm... nope... Jones did that himself.
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Another thread, but 1 with suicide running goodness (not mine):
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:37 AM
Response to Original message
18. Who's up next week?
All the wheels on the bus
Go ROUND ROUND ROUND
ROUND ROUND ROUND
ROUND ROUND ROUND
Beck 1
Obama 0
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. Crap stirer?
Only 1 post.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Two posts now
So how's that boycott working out?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. If you worship Beck you're not very smart.
I mean a minor cabinet post whoopee!!!!!!!!
ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. Explain to us how Obama is a radical left socialist/communist?
Republicans can't have it both ways. If you choose to celebrate this you can't also claim the president is radical. According to your own logic, a true radical communist/socialist/marxist would never has asked for such a resignation, or accepted it.
Creena (425 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. I want to know how Obama is both fascist and communist.
Since it is such a big fan of Beck, maybe it can explain.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #29
35. I'm sure you do.
But trust me, it's way over your head. Go back to chanting empty slogans - it's a lot easier for you.
Creena (425 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #35
47. I'm hurt!
You mean, we're not going to stroll through the street of New York while you point out Becky-Poo's favorite Art Deco communist/fascist artwork commissioned by Satan himself?
I was going to give you my secret decoder ring too!
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. Huh?
"Republicans can't have it both ways. If you choose to celebrate this you can't also claim the president is radical. According to your own logic, a true radical communist/socialist/marxist would never has asked for such a resignation, or accepted it."
Wrong.I guess logic is not one of your strong points. You do grouse well, though. I never said he wouldn't ask for a resignation. He did it purely out of political expediency. He has very little political capital left, and far short of what is needed for what's left of his agenda.
TokenQueer (558 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. Golly, we're just getting to know one another...
... it's a shame you are going to have to leave so abruptly.
ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. So he's still secretly a communist/marxist?
Amazing how he's never been in favor of a Single Payer system. And how we never nationalized the banks and opted to continue the Bush bailouts. And how he's just barely going to raise top marginal tax rates to still incredibly low levels by historical standards. And how we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan and we still have rendition and wiretapping.
As a Republican you should be thrilled that the left is growing more and more disenchanted. So which is it? How is it possible for the administration to do all of these right wing (at best "centrist") things resulting in disgust from the left yet the right pretends Obama is a radical leftist?
That's some alternate reality you live in!
Dramarama (433 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #31
37. ,
wndycty (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #22
33. Last I saw Obama was still the president and Beck is still pond scum. . .
. . .who is losing advertisers. Not sure how you can say Beck won anything.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #33
38. I'll help you out with that.
1. After a week long expose, Obama was forced to throw Van the Quitter under the bus.
2. Beck continues to draw an ever-growing audience that already beats CNN and MSNBC combined in his slot.
3. He has more than enough advertising to sustain the show. Advertisers love big audiences.
I can't wait to see who Beck's next target is.
Dramarama (433 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:05 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. 1
ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:05 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. Britney Spears sold the most records at one point. Does that mean she was the best musician?
The ratings argument cracks me up. It does prove there are a lot of ignorant, misinformed and easily duped people though.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #40
42. LOL
When it comes to politics, numbers are everything. That's why in the end we always win - and you always lose.
Dramarama (433 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:08 AM
Original message
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. I agree. That's why the economy sucks and we're in two pointless wars, because you've won.
At least since Reagan. And as a result, the country lost.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:05 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. By the way, Obama is still President, but he can't get any of his agenda passed - even with a 60 vote majority in the Senate and a large majority in the house.
ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. Great, you know what that means, right?
Your party can't use the "Obama is too powerful, vote Republican in 2010 to help restore balance" argument. Keep digging, you can't have it both ways.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. Again,
Logic fails you. We use the argument that Obama's agenda is far to the left of the majority of Americans, not that he is too powerful. He's even more fragile than Carter at this point.
ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #45
50. Except in my previous comment I pointed out just how center-right his actions have been.
You ignored that comment, unsurprisingly.
-What's "far to the left" about opting to continue the Bush bailouts instead of temporarily nationalizing and regulating the banks and busting up "too big to fail" banks? Nothing.
-What's "far to the left" about just barely raising top marginal tax rates to levels that are incredibly low by historical standards? Nothing.
-What's "far to the left" about wanting to "look forward" with regard to investing Bush Administration crimes? Or continuing to wiretap and continuing rendition? Or escalating in Afghanistan? Nothing.
You have no ground to stand on. You keep generically saying "logic fails you" or some variation, but FYI, just using the word logic doesn't make your arguments any more substantive or factually correct.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #38
46. Wow
As Barney Frank said what planet are you living on?
Get a clue. Most people don't watch Beck. He's relatively easy to deconstruct, Read my post above as to why Van Jones is gone.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. Deconstruct?
Wow, is that empty concept still all the rage? Reminds of all when I was a graduate student.
Van Jones is gone because he was an unacceptable political liability. The MSM refused to report who he really is, so Beck did it.
Beck 1
Obama 0
donheld (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #19
30. 1000+ post can still be a shit stirer
Fuzz (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #30
49. Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
/stir
TokenQueer (558 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Awwww. That one lonely little post?
Surely you can do better than that.
NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. **** Off Troll. You will be gone by the time I check back on your pimpled ass.
asshole.
jswill21 (10 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #26
32. OH NO! Anything but the tombstone!!!!!
How rude! There is a decided lack of decorum here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6476660
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. So he's still secretly a communist/marxist?
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 02:02 AM by ihavenobias
Amazing how he's never been in favor of a Single Payer system. And how we never nationalized the banks and opted to continue the Bush bailouts. And how he's just barely going to raise top marginal tax rates to still incredibly low levels by historical standards. And how we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan and we still have rendition and wiretapping.
As a Republican you should be thrilled that the left is growing more and more disenchanted. So which is it? How is it possible for the administration to do all of these right wing (at best "centrist") things resulting in disgust from the left yet the right pretends Obama is a radical leftist?
Doesn't open his ears to often does he?
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Doesn't open his ears to often does he?
Probably because he is so "open minded" that his brains have fallen out of his skull....
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They have no memory what so ever when it comes to anything their side does. Dear Leaders been tossing people under the bus for as long as anyone can remember here even his own grandmother before she died.
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Obama is still President, but he can't get any of his agenda passed - even with a 60 vote majority in the Senate and a large majority in the house.
Not anymore...heh
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Posted by KillCapitalism on Sun Sep-06-09 03:27 AM
I'm sure Beck's ego is so pumped up now that he'll start screaming for Obama to be impeached everyday. He'll probably think that he will succeed at that too.
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BD, that DUmb**** forgets one thing . . . There has to be an actual crime comitted to properly do an impeachment.
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BD, that DUmb**** forgets one thing . . . There has to be an actual crime comitted to properly do an impeachment.
I'm beginning to think that unlike the calls for Bush's impeachment, there may actually be grounds for it, before long.
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I can't believe the responses at the DUmster. The primitives have sunk to a new low.
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Not anymore...heh
Sure............he still has Snowe annd Collins
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S_B_Jackson (138 posts) Sun Sep-06-09 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #8
83. Next targets are likely
Cass Sunstein and John Holdren.......That ****wad, Glenn Beck's been smearing them with the same slime that he was slinging at Van Jones. This is out-****ing-rageous!!!!!!!! And none of out elected leaders in the administration, the House, or the Senate lifted a damned finger in protest at this vile character assassination.... They just laid down for ****'s sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slime and character assassination is what they call the truth?
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I just love it! The resignation of an avowed Communist from the federal payroll and the Obama bashing on The Island. Very sweet.
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-06-09 06:40 AM
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6. Remember Jimmy Carter?
I'm starting to think we've got a re-run of that administration, a bunch of out-of-town amateurs in the White House, without the slightest understanding of how the Presidency works, how this town works.
Bert Lance, Ham Jordan - those two come to mind immediately, mostly because they were thoroughly unequipped to deal with the power politics of Washington. Jordan's mishaps were mostly social, and the press corps loved him, but he was an embarrassment.
Remember Carter having his whole cabinet resign? No one ever understood what that was about.
And, of course, in an act of compassion for a man who had ruled like a monster for so long, with our backing, he let the Shah of Iran into the US for medical treatment. We all know how THAT worked out.
That's what Obama's White House is reminding me of more and more. A one-term Presidency doesn't seem impossible now.
January 20, 2009 seems like a very long time ago, and the feelings of that day more like a dream than any kind of reality.
I'm very disillusioned so far, and I hate to admit that..................................
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6476974#6477014
:-)
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I love how a "9/11 Troofer" is to be respected and given the benefit of the doubt, but a "Birth Certificate Troofer" is just a raging self-concerned delusional nutcase out to harm this "president".
I love it because we saw planes flying into the World Trade Center on live television. We know the confessions of and boasting by the muslim cult members responsible. We know the names of the Americans who died.
On the other hand, we don't even have a ghost of a public showing of that Obamo character's legitimate birth certificate. All we REALLY know is he has spent millions of dollars trying to hide it.
Funny how up is down and down is up in the Little Goon World.
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The czar's like Van Jones and that Joseph Mengle wannabe that is the Science czar are EXACTLY the kind of people the Little Goons want to run this country.
They don't want the wannabe's like Pelosi and REid that talk a good game about socialism but eventually cave when the people express outrage.
They wanted Obama to do exactly what he did...appoint people outside the purview of Congress,,,that would have direct influence and authority over policy and law...so they could implement an extremely agenda virtually under the radar.
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The czar's like Van Jones and that Joseph Mengle wannabe that is the Science czar are EXACTLY the kind of people the Little Goons want to run this country.
They don't want the wannabe's like Pelosi and REid that talk a good game about socialism but eventually cave when the people express outrage.
They wanted Obama to do exactly what he did...appoint people outside the purview of Congress,,,that would have direct influence and authority over policy and law...so they could implement an extremely agenda virtually under the radar.
Which is what I find so amazing. Why are they claiming it is a smear when Jones is everything they aspire towards?
It's not like their repeating a meme for the independent middlers b/c obviously DU allows only hardcore libs. So why all the lies about lies?
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Which is what I find so amazing. Why are they claiming it is a smear when Jones is everything they aspire towards?
It's not like their repeating a meme for the independent middlers b/c obviously DU allows only hardcore libs. So why all the lies about lies?
Snugs....when you hear a Liberal accuse someone of a smear....it means someone is telling the truth about one of their heroes.
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Snugs....when you hear a Liberal accuse someone of a smear....it means someone is telling the truth about one of their heroes.
But this is what I don't understand.
If someone accused one of our guys of being a suppply-side economists who wanted a strong military but minimal government social policy we'd cheer them on. Hell, I wish we could get one of our candidates accused of such things.
But these idiots can't even be proud of what they are even though they are rabid about it every other second of the day. 5 #$%^ing seconds of introspection would make it plain to them. I under stand lying to the masses in order to gain power and hold it but the masses don't/aren't allowed to frequent DU.
Why lie to yourself? What general in a war would assess his own situation as outnumbered and then--with no one else to answer to--tell himself he had the enemy surrounded just to assuage his own psyche?
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The watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside) had control of over $60,000,000,000. I wonder how much he managed to stea.....repatriate to himself?
My guess is $7,000,000,000+/-.
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jswill21 for the win!!!! That was brilliant! :bow:
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Well, he didn't exactly nationalize the banking industry...but he came close with those bailouts. And he did--pretty much--nationalize the auto industry.
Not exactly "center-right."
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I'm beginning to think that unlike the calls for Bush's impeachment, there may actually be grounds for it, before long.
Wow.
Considering that you're AD at the moment, that's got to be a hard place for your mind to be.
Keep your head low, my friend. :cheersmate:
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BD, that DUmb**** forgets one thing . . . There has to be an actual crime comitted to properly do an impeachment.
How about the forced removal of a sitting CEO of a major corporation that had done nothing illeagle and the government had not right to remove? If nothing else a lawsuit should have been filed.
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How about the forced removal of a sitting CEO of a major corporation that had done nothing illeagle and the government had not right to remove? If nothing else a lawsuit should have been filed.
Give them a little more time...especially when we retake Congress in 2010...he'll hang himself on something illegal with the rope we've been selling him.
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Give them a little more time...especially when we retake Congress in 2010...he'll hang himself on something illegal with the rope we've been selling him.
I agree. It will be interesting to see what happenes.
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How about the forced removal of a sitting CEO of a major corporation that had done nothing illeagle and the government had not right to remove? If nothing else a lawsuit should have been filed.
That comment was focused as much on President Bush as the current occupant of the White House. President Bush did nothing illegal. And, Tx is right--there will be something that the Republicans can get him on once we retake the House and Senate in 2010. Thing is, even if every Dem Senate seat up for grabs flips with zero losses from our side, we'd have 59 votes--one short of getting a conviction. And, then "Slow Joe" Biden would be the President. Do we really want that?
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That comment was focused as much on President Bush as the current occupant of the White House. President Bush did nothing illegal. And, Tx is right--there will be something that the Republicans can get him on once we retake the House and Senate in 2010. Thing is, even if every Dem Senate seat up for grabs flips with zero losses from our side, we'd have 59 votes--one short of getting a conviction. And, then "Slow Joe" Biden would be the President. Do we really want that?
I'd rather deal with lame duck Biden, then a desperate Obama trying to ram something through that'll get him reelected.
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That comment was focused as much on President Bush as the current occupant of the White House. President Bush did nothing illegal. And, Tx is right--there will be something that the Republicans can get him on once we retake the House and Senate in 2010. Thing is, even if every Dem Senate seat up for grabs flips with zero losses from our side, we'd have 59 votes--one short of getting a conviction. And, then "Slow Joe" Biden would be the President. Do we really want that?
First, your scenario will never happen. Burris isn't running, but IL will pull the D lever regardless. Ditto with Mikulski, Bayh, Schumer, Dorgan, Wyden, Babs Boxhead and Blanche Lincoln Second, it takes 67 votes, not 60, to remove the President and convict the impeachment.
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Even if we couldn't get a conviction, it could slow his agenda up. I wasn't to politically aware during the Clinton years, but how affective was he during the Lewinski affair? I'm almost to the point that I'd take anything to keep him from doing more damage.
God... I sound like a DUmmie...
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I'd rather deal with lame duck Biden, then a desperate Obama trying to ram something through that'll get him reelected.
We take care of that by letting the Federal investigators looking into the corruption charges against his son and brother have full access to "Plugs" as well.
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We take care of that by letting the Federal investigators looking into the corruption charges against his son and brother have full access to "Plugs" as well.
Question is, do you do that before anything else?
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Question is, do you do that before anything else?
May as well. He's low hanging fruit.
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May as well. He's low hanging fruit.
Yeah, it'll give the prosecutors something to hone their approaches on . . .
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Another thread, but 1 with suicide running goodness (not mine):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6476660
Good thing you captured it because it's been scrubbed now. Everything's gone even the replies.
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Even if we couldn't get a conviction, it could slow his agenda up. I wasn't to politically aware during the Clinton years, but how affective was he during the Lewinski affair? I'm almost to the point that I'd take anything to keep him from doing more damage.
God... I sound like a DUmmie...
Oh man.
It was during the Lewinski affair that the Impeached One unleashed the biggest bombardment of Baghdad, dropping more firepower on that city than had been used all during the War for the Liberation of Kuwait 1990-1991, or during the whole war for the Liberation of Vietnam, or more than the explosive power used on both fronts during the second world war, or something like that.
I remember the statistic--the amount of firepower--was vastly enormous.
And all in less than 48 hours, too.
That's how the Impeached One reacted.
Imagine Bo leveling Afghanistan.