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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 04, 2009, 07:14:09 AM
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Oh my.
Sedition is brewing on Skins's island.
texasleo (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:11 PM
Original message
Keith just hinted at the possibility of a primary opponent in 2012
Uzybone (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:12 PM
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1. will he vote this time?
NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:12 PM
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2. Lately I've been watching Keith with the sound off
And the TV tuned to another channel. It's easier on my nerves.
lbrtbell (210 posts) Fri Sep-04-09 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #2
40. Can't handle the truth, can you?
Obama needs a kick in the pants to remind him of who elected him--THE LEFT--and if it takes someone running against him in the 2012 primary, so be it.
I, for one, am glad Keith has the cojones to be honest about what's happening. Bury your head in the sand all you like, but Keith's been telling the truth since 2003, and I'm glad he continues to do so...no matter who is in power.
The mike_c primitive:
mike_c (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:13 PM
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3. recommending just to undo the unrec that some knucklehead...
...laid on the OP within seconds of its post. I mean, come on. How can one sentence reporting a real event be a bad post?
WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:13 PM
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4. IF Obama fails, we have no choice.
Pangolin2 (243 posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:14 PM
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5. It would be very odd if there were not one...
xchrom (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:15 PM
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6. it would be a legitimate challenge.
The Zbigniew primitive:
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:16 PM
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7. Well the doormats have had it
PFunk (592 posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:16 PM
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8. I say expect to see some democractic congressional/senate opponets running against Obama in 2010
As progressives begin to ditch him big time over this (his turning his back on the torture thing, and afganistan).
DJ13 (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:16 PM
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9. I will vote for Obama again, but I think a challenger is a great idea
Politicians only do whats right when they're pushed into trying to win votes.
A challenger would keep Obama on the right path, though its way too early to be talking of 2012.
WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:19 PM
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11. No, it's EXACTLY THE RIGHT TIME to speak of 2012
any potential primary opponenet will have to start exploration next January if they are to mount a real campaign.
DJ13 (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:23 PM
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13. I was thinking that doesnt need to happen until mid 2010, but okay
As I said, Im for a challenger to keep him on course.
knixphan (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. True.
Even if I plan to vote Obama, Dennis K gets $ from me - on principle alone.
Becky72 (347 posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:17 PM
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10. That's what Democracy is about
Let the chips fall where they may. I believe Obama would defeat any opponent but again, it's ok to have several choices.
d_b (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:21 PM
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12. **** that noise
the party itself is a cancer.
no, if they sell us out on the public option then Libs, progressives, etc. should bail.
Progressive party '12.
bvar22 (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:28 PM
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15. That option appeals to me.
I can no longer be a part of the sham.
I will no longer hold my nose to vote.
dmallind (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-04-09 06:46 AM
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44. Progressive Party '12 = Palin 13-21. Lemme guess: "no difference"?
Sounds okay to me.
texasleo (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:25 PM
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14. He said it again!
ruggerson (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:30 PM
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16. seemed to be more than a hint
malletgirl02 (623 posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:32 PM
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17. A one Sentnace post has 14 Recs?
It is really about who you are around here.
Of course. Why does one think Doug's really stupid ex-wife is untouchable?
quiet.american (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:41 PM
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18. Yes, he also said some progressives might seek to do it even it meant tearing apart the party.
Or something very much to that effect.
UTUSN (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. And, of course, "tearing apart the party" is what we always want.
quiet.american (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Sometimes it certainly seems like it.
DevonRex (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Yet DU is celebrating the thought of a primary challenger.
I'm so ****ing sick of this I could spit.
quiet.american (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:57 PM
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23. You are not alone.
TheWebHead (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:50 PM
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19. well gee, if KO thinks Obama should have a primary challenger
I guess Barack should just pack his bags... lol. Keith is a clown who had his ego bruised by the Michael Smerconish interview and the realization that for poliitical reasons, you'll never see Barack do an interview with Keith again. Quite frankly, the administration likely welcomes this fuming by Keith because it makes those in between the ideological fringes view Obama as someone willing to anger his own base to get things done.
Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 09:21 PM
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30. What the hell do you mean by that?
"Keith is a clown who had his ego bruised by the Michael Smerconish interview and the realization that for poliitical reasons, you'll never see Barack do an interview with Keith again."
What the...?????
lbrtbell (210 posts) Fri Sep-04-09 02:38 AM
Response to Reply #30
41. Move along, nothing to see here
Somebody's just in need of a waa-mbulance because Keith has dared to criticize He Who Must Not Be Criticized, No Matter How He Throws The Left Under The Bus.
burning rain (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 09:00 PM
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25. He may know much more than we do.
He and Maddow are in cahoots with HoDo, you know.
One assumes "HoDo" is that Harold Dean or Dean Howard character, whatever the name is.
WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Ayup
And HoDo will be POed if there's no public option.
burning rain (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-04-09 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #26
32. HoDo could KO BO in NoHo.
The first in the nation primary! Levity aside, I hope Obama gets healthcare reform on track with his speech. I sure would hate to see us get to a place where there was serious support for a primary challenge to Obama, but it could happen if he triangulates against lefties too much. Expectations are legitimately high given our fat congressional majorities.
Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 09:02 PM
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28. It would be nice to have a progressive run against the centrist wing of the party.
TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-04-09 01:02 AM
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35. Stupid. Man's been Prez for all of seven months. How about we all give him a ****ing chance?
bonjourtristesse (21 posts) Fri Sep-04-09 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. Did you excuse Bush's 9/11 inaction? Did you say give Bush a ****ing chance, only been in 7 months!
Who is stupid?
lbrtbell (210 posts) Fri Sep-04-09 02:42 AM
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42. 7 months is MORE than enough of a chance
All Obama has done is worship at the altar of "bipartisanship", while not getting enough Republican votes on ANYTHING to take up the fingers of one hand.
It's time for him to use his 8th month in office to wake up to the fact that the Republicans are NOT going to cooperate, there's NO sense in offering them any compromises, and that the people want a public option--PERIOD.
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-04-09 07:33 AM
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46. You cannot defeat someone with no one
Who would have the stature to give a credible challenge to Obama?
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If Obama isn't "liberal enough" who in the Hell is for these Dummies?
Scrape some of Mao's DNA and let the Chicoms clone him-- that would make them happy.
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If Obama isn't "liberal enough" who in the Hell is for these Dummies?
Scrape some of Mao's DNA and let the Chicoms clone him-- that would make them happy.
She sits in an office in Foggy Bottom
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waitaminit, waitaminit... competition in the free market is bad, all it does is screw the workers, but now it will magically make 0bama work harder? How can that be? Or is it that competition for a limited resource makes one work harder to get it? Sounds kinda Darwinist, don't it? What do you believe now DUmmies?
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It's all talk, no action. Unless the challenger is Black (And I don't see anyone in position to challenge who is), Obama gets 95% plus of the Black Dem voter demo in a primary even if he gets caught eating live babies on national TV. Nobody's going to score the overwhelming landslide it would take with the rest of the Dumbocrat voters to overcome that advantage.
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It's all talk, no action. Unless the challenger is Black (And I don't see anyone in position to challenge who is), Obama gets 95% plus of the Black Dem voter demo in a primary even if he gets caught eating live babies on national TV. Nobody's going to score the overwhelming landslide it would take with the rest of the Dumbocrat voters to overcome that advantage.
Actually, I've heard his numbers are dropping something to only like 70% among Black Voters.
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Actually, I've heard his numbers are dropping something to only like 70% among Black Voters.
That won't be the case if it comes down to an actual election contest against a real White or Latino candidate, instead of just general discontent over the shortage of free ponies for the Black community so far.
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 08:12 PM
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2. Lately I've been watching Keith with the sound off
And the TV tuned to another channel. It's easier on my nerves.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this may be the most cogent thing I have ever seen posted at Teh DUmp.
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If Obama isn't "liberal enough" who in the Hell is for these Dummies?
Scrape some of Mao's DNA and let the Chicoms clone him-- that would make them happy.
(http://www.georgianbiography.com/images/stalin.jpg)
(http://www.ruslania.com/pictures/big/4605000010453.jpg)
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Well if Van Jones is forced under the bus, maybe he'll be out of the hospital in time to challenge 0bama.
Cindie
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OK we have had 8 years of 'Bush is teh debil!"!!11!' followed by the O-gasm of last November and now, only 7 months in, they are speculating on primary opponents? Truly who could have thought that watching DU could be this much fun. :-)
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OK we have had 8 years of 'Bush is teh debil!"!!11!' followed by the O-gasm of last November and now, only 7 months in, they are speculating on primary opponents? Truly who could have thought that watching DU could be this much fun. :-)
Indeed - :-)
As for the primary challenger thing - you Doormatocrats are going to take what Obama is dishing, and you are going to like it. You know the Oliver Twist quote "Please sir, may I have some more ?" ? -- Prepare to live that.
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A lot of them wanted Kucinich (some still do). He wouldn't be much different from Obama, except most of his cabinet will likely worship Xenu.