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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 04, 2009, 04:14:50 AM
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Oh my.
The thieving coyote primitive apparently is all mixed up:
Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-31-09 11:14 PM
Original message
Cross Dominance
Being left eyed and right handed or vice versa.
Where can I find out if this is considered a disability?
I'm interested in learning whether an adult with this condition (and partially sighted in the non dominant eye) in a technical/trade school in a program focusing on the development of fine motor skills has legal basis to obtain additional time (or suspension of time limitations) for completion of assigned tasks.
Thanks in advance for any resources you might be able to point me toward.
The Gloria Swanson primitive:
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-31-09 11:18 PM
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1. Call your Congressman, find out what Department - probably HHS, but maybe Education - handles matters like this. The social workers are usually very good with this sort of thing.
Good luck.
Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-01-09 07:54 AM
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4. Ummmm......
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I live in red state hell and the general attitude here is that the real world should not and for the most part does not make accomodations for the disabled. I actually know of tutors here who have told kids with documented learning disabilities to buckle down and try harder and not to ask for or expect any accomodations in the classroom because nobody will cut them any slack in the real working world.
Somehow I don't think my CongressCritters (which include Inhoff and Coburn) will be of much assistance.
spin (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-31-09 11:59 PM
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2. I do know that it can interfere with shooting a rife...but not a handgun.
Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-01-09 07:47 AM
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3. That depends on how one sights the handgun
A competitive shooter that shoots with a dominant hand and uses a non-dominant partially sighted eye to sight is going to be lucky to hit the broad side of a barn as they say. They can learn to shoot with their non-dominant hand however.
In any event, I'm concerned about a technical/trade educational program - not with sighting and shooting a gun. Lots of those programs require the ability to accurately sight and coordinate motor skills (sawing for instance). Also, cross dominance with a weaker partially sighted eye means the person has poor depth perception. These are the kinds of things that people can learn to compensate for but doing do generally requires additional time as compared to non-disabled students.
Finally, the jovial bug insect answers the real question:
happyslug (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-03-09 04:35 PM
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6. Anything can be a "Disability", the key is for what and how.
For example, for Social Security purposes anything that affects your day to day living activities is a "Severe Disability" to get by Step 2 of the Five Step Sequential evaluation process that SSA puts everyone through when they apply for Social Security Disability or SSI.
Does the cross dominance affect your day to day living activities? Your handwriting will be poor and your ability to do fine work would be restricted, but that does NOT prevent you from doing other day to day activities i.e. walk, eat, drink and even use tools. Thus I doubt a cross eye dominance will get pass step two of the Five Step Social Security Evaluation process (Unless it is more severe then my own cross dominance).
Now, if you can get pass Step Two of the Five Step Evaluation process, you get to step 3, "does the claimant have a disability in the "listings"?". The only thing doing with eyes in the listing of impairments is blindness and unless you are 20/200 in your better eye you can NOT win at Step 3 of the Five Step evaluation process.
Step 4 is "Can you return to the TYPE of work you have done in the last 15 years?" If yes, then you are NOT disabled, if you you go to Step 5.
Step Five is simple, are there jobs that exists in the National Economy a person with your disability can perform? Generally a Vocational Expert testifies what jobs a person with the restrictions of the Claimant can and can not do. Remember the issue is NOT if you have a disability, but do jobs exist that a person with that disability can perform? Typical Light and Sedentary jobs include the following:
1. Guard (i.e. an unarmed security guard)
2. Surveillance System Monitor (a person that watch the Videos from all the Camera at a sight with video surveillance).
3. Small parts tester, generally in the electronic industry where you put a testing device on a part and see if the light indicate it is good or not. If good back on the assembly line, if bad thrown out.
4. Small parts bagger, someone who puts all those nuts and bolts and other parts in a bag to be used later by someone else to assemble something.
5. Small Parts Assembler, Someone who assembles parts together.
6. Day time Janitor (The person you see in Malls pushing a dust mop around during hours the mall is open, such light janitorial jobs is in other areas but it is just to keep dirt and dust down and as such is a "light job". The heavy duty cleaning with mops, buffers etc is referred to a "Medium duty Janitor" a different classification then "Light Duty Janitor" and must be excluded if we are just looking at Sedentary and light work. Please note I do NOT see Cross dominance affecting your ability to do Medium and Heavy work but I am keeping this restricted to Light and Sedentary work.
Thus, for purposes of SS, cross dominance will NOT be a disability for purposes of SS disability.
On the other hand, Cross dominance IS a disability in a Education assistance in Grade School and High School. In such situation all that needs to be shown is that the Cross dominance will affect your ability to do school work. Cross Dominance will affect your ability to throw a ball, write, and do other activities requiring fine dexterity. I do not know what assistance can be provided (Exceptions would be training is using the non-dominate hand to better match up with the dominate eye, permitting the use of thinner pencils in drawing classes, providing more training when it comes to throwing balls etc).
As far as the EEOC is concern, it is more in the middle between these two, if you are terminated because you can NOT do the work and no accommodations can be made so you can do the work then it is legal to terminate you. If on the other hand, reasonable accommodations is all that is needed to help you to do the job then such accommodations MUST be made. The issue becomes what is a "Reasonable" Accommodation? That is a Jury Decision. I like to cite the case of the Pro-Golfer who sure the PGA for NOT permitting him to use a Golf Cart (One of the requirements of the PGA is that each golfer MUST walk the course and Carry his clubs). This was the defense the PGA used in the court case, that is was a REQUIREMENT of being a Pro Golfer to walk the Course and carry the clubs. The Jury did NOT buy the argument. The Jury said such walking and carrying was NOT an essential part of the Job and awarded the disabled golfer Judgment and a ruling that the PGA must permit him to ride in a Golf Cart.
Notice the key is the above Three Situation, each is dependent on its definition of what the law is, thus a person may be disabled for Educational purposes, NOT for Social Security purposes and yet be discriminated against because of the disability (and thus under EEOC rules). A person my be disabled for Social Security but NOT disabled for EEOC if there are no jobs such a person could do (Through eligible for Educational assistance if still in Grade School or High School).
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Welcome to the world of socialized medicine as docs will be hounded with stupid crap like this from useless leeches trying to drop out of society.
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WTF....geez I have they same issue. It has never stopped me from working hard and making good money. Hell I am even qualified as a sharpshooter.
What a bunch of retards.
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That has to be the absolute lamest "disability" ever. :thatsright: I suggest coyotestupid go ask a blind person if he/she/it should be allowed disability money.
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Here's an idea...if you have a minor disability, choose a profession in which it won't matter, or matters very little. If you have problems with fine motor/eye-hand coordination, don't choose a profession that requires it. Duh.
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Here's someone who actually believes himself to be disabled and would happily take government money that might be used for someone/something else. He must not be a real liberal. Aren't they supposed to be concerned with their fellow man?
There are so many examples of the Left's hypocrisy on the Island that one could never list or find them all.
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DUmmie is disqualified for micro-brain surgery so he wants us to keep him up in a life style he would have liked to become accustom too.
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DUmmie is disqualified for micro-brain surgery so he wants us to keep him up in a life style he would have liked to become accustom too.
OMG you mean I've been going through my entire life with a disability and didn't know it?
Does the dominant eye play a part in anything other that aiming a handgun?
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Let him be a pirate for life. Eye patch over the non dominate eye. He can work as say the spokesman for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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If there is a fixed pie as all the DUmbasses think, this able bodied DUchebag is taking needed funds and resources from a person that is really disabled.
Color me surprised that a little goon is so selfish. However, being a hypocrite and selfish are the twin pillars of modern liberalism.
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WTF....geez I have they same issue. It has never stopped me from working hard and making good money. Hell I am even qualified as a sharpshooter.
What a bunch of retards.
Do ya shoot wrong handed? I'm only askin coz I'm right handed and left eyed...It only bothers me when I was tryin to trap shoot
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Do ya shoot wrong handed? I'm only askin coz I'm right handed and left eyed...It only bothers me when I was tryin to trap shoot
Had the same problem.....wore an eye-patch for practice, it went away.
doc
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Had the same problem.....wore an eye-patch for practice, it went away.
doc
It doesn't bother me that much...but I do look thru a scope with both eyes(works for me)
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Many DUmmies have a diagnosed disability known as exertion aversion.
Victims are extremely averse to any activity that results in exertion, either physical or mental.
Unless concessions are made to compensate for the condition, it can severely handicap victims in the workplace.
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It doesn't bother me that much...but I do look thru a scope with both eyes(works for me)
How the hell do you actually look through a scope with both eyes???????
doc
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How the hell do you actually look through a scope with both eyes???????
doc
FWIW, I keep both eyes open when I'm looking through a scope, but only one is actually looking through that scope. That allows me to keep an unaided view on the target.
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How the hell do you actually look through a scope with both eyes???????
doc
I'm really not sure how I do it...Cowboy has been tryin to figure it out for years...
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Hippyslug knows too much about the process. I bet he's been trying to get on SSI for decades. I guess its possible he worked there, but unlikely for a DUmmied to work.
I know a guy who faked crazy to get SSI in an attempt to avoid paying child support. They now take it directly from his SSI checks.
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FWIW, I keep both eyes open when I'm looking through a scope, but only one is actually looking through that scope. That allows me to keep an unaided view on the target.
That is what I do. Left hand-right-eyed. Played darts for a long time too, so I think I just got used to looking at targets that way.
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Only rifle sight I can use with both eyes is a red dot.
And I'm convinced that thing is some kind of voodoo magic.
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-01-09 07:54 AM
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4. Ummmm......
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I live in red state hell and the general attitude here is that the real world should not and for the most part does not make accomodations for the disabled. I actually know of tutors here who have told kids with documented learning disabilities to buckle down and try harder and not to ask for or expect any accomodations in the classroom because nobody will cut them any slack in the real working world.
Somehow I don't think my CongressCritters (which include Inhoff and Coburn) will be of much assistance.
Oh good grief the nerve of them trying to teach kids to overcome problems not, sit in the basement, make excuses and, wait for Obama to help them. :banghead: