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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: ScubaGuy on September 03, 2009, 10:16:53 AM
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DUmmie Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8622894)
CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-03-09 07:24 AM
Original message
Corporations are SOCIALIST!
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 07:27 AM by CTLawGuy
A fun way to make your slow-witted Republican friends' heads explode.
The corporation is a total creation of government and has nothing to do with the "free market." Without government intervention in the economy (eeek!) the corporation would not exist. Each state has statutes allowing people the ability to create corporations by registering them with the state and complying with certain regulations (more socialism!)
How is the government interfering in the "free market" with the corporation? Well, imagine if corporations did not exist and two people each contriubted $50,000 to start a business (A general partnership). Let's say then, the business (really the two owners as individuals working together) borrowed $10 million to help itself start up. In the "free market" (ignoring for a sec the government interventions that make lending possible) if the business were to fail, the creditor could not only take the assets put toward the business, but ALSO the PERSONAL assets of the owners, NOT put toward the business, in order to recover the unpaid debt. So if one of the people had wealth of $20 mil and the other had nothing, the creditor could take up to $10 mil of that owner's personal assets. (that's the REAL definition of personal responsibility!)
With the "corporation" the government said "Ok, we don't think that when you put $50,000 in a business that you should be risking $10 mil of your personal assets. (Always trying to dodge responsibility) So we will interfere in the 'free market' to stop the creditor (and that guy who fell on your front steps, and those employees to whom you owe back wages) from taking your personal assets if you fail in your business. We will let you create a separate 'person' called a 'corporation' that will have its own assets and the power to do business, including to lend and borrow money. That way the only risk you take as an owner is the money you put in the corporation. We call this the concept of 'limited liability.'"
So really, the corporation is a socialist plot to screw over all the hard working people with whom businessmen and women interact, oh and to kill granny.
So much stupid in one post I don't know where to start.
CT Law guy's only experience with law is probably watching TV or from his public defender.
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Without government intervention in the economy (eeek!) the corporation would not exist.
So by this same "rationale" Bush could never have illegally tapped wires because:
A) the phone companies are corporations which only exist by government fiat.
B) the assets of the phone companies, i.e. wires and servers and exchanges etc are protected by cops and courts
C) "your" phone is yours only because the bill of sale, monthly billings and property rights are objects of government fiat
So when Karl Rove and George Bush were tapping phones all they were ever doing was listening in on assets that could not exist except by their exertions.
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So by this same "rationale" Bush could never have illegally tapped wires because:
A) the phone companies are corporations which only exist by government fiat.
B) the assets of the phone companies, i.e. wires and servers and exchanges etc are protected by cops and courts
C) "your" phone is yours only because the bill of sale, monthly billings and property rights are objects of government fiat
So when Karl Rove and George Bush were tapping phones all they were ever doing was listening in on assets that could not exist except by their exertions.
:lmao:
I'm impressed. How long did you have to smack your head against the wall in order to be able to think like them? :banghead:
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:thatsright:
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DUmmie Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8622894)
So much stupid in one post I don't know where to start.
CT Law guy's only experience with law is probably watching TV or from his public defender.
How about with the fact that there's secured and unsecured debt. That 10 million he mentions was probably spent on, oh let's say, factory production assets. In the event of bankruptcy, guess what, those assets are sold to pay of the owners of secured debt first. It's not like that 10 million just *poofs* into thin air. That's what the government is for.
And seriously, governmental involvment in the market place is socialism, DUmmie? NO SHIT! WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'RE BITCHING ABOUT?! :banghead:
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And while we're talking about it, I'll tell you another thing that actually is socialist. When Chrysler went under, the Obama administration ****ed over the secured debt-holders in favor of union pension plans. Essentially, he voided contractual obligations that gave the secured debt-holders the rights to the companies assets first. Ok, so that's more fascist than anything, but the point stands. Of course, Chrysler had already accepted government money, so they had little say in the matter, which is just one more reason to keep the government firmly out of the marketplace.
Basically, the DUmmies are saying that if we socialize corporations, then corporations are socialist. Way to be experts in tautology, morons.
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And seriously, governmental involvment in the market place is socialism, DUmmie? NO SHIT! WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'RE BITCHING ABOUT?! :banghead:
I think what the turd-chewer is driving at is: if conservatives were "true to their beliefs" they would disavow using government to allow the forming and protecting of corporations because any mention of government and business is--according to their strawman--socialism.
Thom Hartmann makes the same argument: the govenrment owns whatever its laws protect. So in theory the government owns his home, his car...his children. We believe our rights exist transcendant of our selves and we create government to protect them. Libs believe the government creates rights ergo it is above all things.
That is the fundamental--and irreconciliable difference--that is dragging us towards...
...I don't even want to use the term.
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...Stuff that makes sense...
Spot on, and well said.
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DUmmie Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8622894)
So much stupid in one post I don't know where to start.
CT Law guy's only experience with law is probably watching TV or from his public defender.
My bet is on the later. :mental:
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Sorry, incrediby stupid shit that doesn't make any sense at all only makes my head hurt, not explode.
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The concept that there are legitimate functions of gov't, but that providing healthcare isn't one of them, just flies right over their little empty heads.
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Well Mr. ****LawGay, if corporations are socialist then DUmpster divers like you and you marxist-leninist-socialist pals must get a hard on every time you see a corporate logo.
Schwiiinng!!
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Well Mr. ****LawGay, if corporations are socialist then DUmpster divers like you and you marxist-leninist-socialist pals must get a hard on every time you see a corporate logo.
Schwiiinng!!
Not bad...for a jarhead.
BTW - you might want to lose the semi-obscene icon.
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Done.
:-)