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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: dutch508 on August 28, 2009, 03:39:56 PM
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The DUmp mentioned the Somme, which got me thinking.
JRR Tolkien
Military service: Lancashire Fusiliers (WWI, 1915-18)
Tolkien was at the Somme in 1916.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Tolkien_1916.jpg/120px-Tolkien_1916.jpg)
Guess who was also at the Somme in 1916.
(http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/hitler1.jpg)
He was wounded on 5 October 1916 and hospitalised for two months.
Military Service :16th Regiment of the 10th Bavarian Division.
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Fritz of Fritzmas fame..... :-) Give me a hint....was he one of the jooooos?
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Fritz of Fritzmas fame..... :-) Give me a hint....was he one of the jooooos?
Some have reported that he was partal JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...
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I wonder how different the world would be if he had been mortally wounded.......................
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I wonder how different the world would be if he had been mortally wounded.......................
According to the Obama liberal Czars, a terrible place with more maggots on it.
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I wonder how different the world would be if he had been mortally wounded.......................
It is possible that Germany would have ended up the same. There were others in the NSDAP who could have risen to power, of course. Different yet the same, I think, is how the world would have turned out.
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I don't doubt that Germany would have succumbed to a more socialist country with or without him, but I do wonder what would had happened without the Holocaust. Would the Jewish people still feel compelled to have their own place, and would everyone (that supports Israel) support Israel in the manner it does? What WOULD the ME look like, and would we even care what it did look like?
Of course too much wondering gives me a headache. I am more of a realistic sort than a daydreamer I suppose.
But, sometimes I do wonder.
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Germany might well have ended up as militarized and expansionist, at least to the extent of the Anschluss, obtaining the Sudetenland, and seizing the Danzig Corridor. The military leadership regarded the French Campaign as an insanely dangerous gamble, but it is not impossible that Battle of France might still have played out in a similar way if launched, given the shortcomings of the Allies at the time. Minus Hitler, though, it is entirely possible the pent-up hatred from the humiliation at Versailles and French occupation of the Saar and Rheinland would have been directed entirely at Communists and the French, rather than the German Jews. The Jewish Germans had fought with distinction equal to any in WW1, and made up a disproportionate percentage of Germany's scientific elite (Which was our equal if not better, prior to Nazification of the country), and with them on board instead of fleeing the country the entire affair could have ended with uneasy peace in the West and a crusade against Bolshevism in the East, possibly ending in either the Red Army fighting its way into Berlin or the last Soviet stronghold disappearing in the blast of an atomic bomb dropped by a Luftwaffe pilot named Goldstein or Rosenberg.
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You have to realize with the holocaust, that it wasn't one man who accomplished it. Hitler was a spark that caused all those deaths, but he wasn't the one who killed them all. The people of europe had all that hate inside them and when it started to burn...
The Ukrainians and the Russian were just as bad as the Germans. But the Poles were too...as were the French, the Dutch, Italians, etc etc etc.
That existed, and would have existed without hitler being around.
The Germans were just more effective at killing than everyone else.
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You have to realize with the holocaust, that it wasn't one man who accomplished it. Hitler was a spark that caused all those deaths, but he wasn't the one who killed them all. The people of europe had all that hate inside them and when it started to burn...
The Ukrainians and the Russian were just as bad as the Germans. But the Poles were too...as were the French, the Dutch, Italians, etc etc etc.
That existed, and would have existed without hitler being around.
The Germans were just more effective at killing than everyone else.
That was all there for hundreds of years, but it took one nut case with dictatorial powers and a special hatred to actually crystallize it and initiate a program of mass murder. But for that, in Central and Western Europe the Jews were simply a despised minority, mistreated but not as nearly as badly as Blacks were in the good ol' USA contemporaneously. Slavic-speaking countries were a lot more primitive and pogroms still frequent there.