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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: NHSparky on August 28, 2009, 12:58:34 PM
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Bill would give president emergency control of Internet
by Declan McCullagh
(c) CNET.com
August 28, 2009 12:34 AM PDT
LINK (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html)
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Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.
They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.
The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.
"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."
Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.
A spokesman for Rockefeller also declined to comment on the record Thursday, saying that many people were unavailable because of the summer recess. A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001. The source said that one primary concern was the electrical grid, and what would happen if it were attacked from a broadband connection.
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Oh, that's nice--compare it to 9/11 or the Patriot Act. Holy smokes. The hits just keep coming, don't they?
And for the record:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-773
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This issue is on fire today, all over the place. This would, of course, suspend the Constitution.
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What a ****ing wonderful idea.
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What a ****ing wonderful idea.
Almost as much fun as, say, requiring every firearm in the country to be listed on their owner's tax return? I sense that the 'Reich really doesn't think we're serious out here.
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Bill would give president emergency control of Internet
by Declan McCullagh
(c) CNET.com
August 28, 2009 12:34 AM PDT
LINK (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html)
<excerpt>
Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.
They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.
The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.
"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."
Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.
A spokesman for Rockefeller also declined to comment on the record Thursday, saying that many people were unavailable because of the summer recess. A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001. The source said that one primary concern was the electrical grid, and what would happen if it were attacked from a broadband connection.
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Oh, that's nice--compare it to 9/11 or the Patriot Act. Holy smokes. The hits just keep coming, don't they?
And for the record:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-773
Now is the time to learn Mores code and buy a cheap sender and receiver. These things have tanked in value and people are too lazy to learn code until now.
They can jump into our PC but Morris code can be sent from the back of ones car.
I did at one time know the code as both boys were in boyscouts and that was their project. We messed about after dark in the back yard sending messages with flash lights, and later sent messages at the dining room table by tapping on a glass of ice water.
We had so much fun with the code, we could hold hands and tap the palm of another and
like texting, no one else knew what we were saying.
I would buy the set up but not get a license as when if they come for my computer they cannot get my eye on the world.
Naturally no one will confiscate my PC but the content can be changed, Those with voice sent long wave may find the FCC at their door
We been using Short wave since WW1 and needs to be brought back.
Regards --.-
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They can jump into our PC but Morris code can be sent from the back of ones car.
People do a lot of things in the backs of their cars. It says a lot about you that you think of Morse code. :tongue:
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Imagine the moonbats' reaction if a Republican senator had introduced such a bill under President Bush.
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Now is the time to learn Mores code and buy a cheap sender and receiver. These things have tanked in value and people are too lazy to learn code until now.
They can jump into our PC but Morris code can be sent from the back of ones car.
I did at one time know the code as both boys were in boyscouts and that was their project. We messed about after dark in the back yard sending messages with flash lights, and later sent messages at the dining room table by tapping on a glass of ice water.
We had so much fun with the code, we could hold hands and tap the palm of another and
like texting, no one else knew what we were saying.
I would buy the set up but not get a license as when if they come for my computer they cannot get my eye on the world.
Naturally no one will confiscate my PC but the content can be changed, Those with voice sent long wave may find the FCC at their door
We been using Short wave since WW1 and needs to be brought back.
Regards --.-
It's MORSE Code. Developed by Samuel Morse. Furthermore, people are required to obtain an FCC License in order to operate & maintain their transmission equipment. Finally, there's plenty of Ham Radio Operators out there transmitting legally and all one really needs is to learn Morse code and obtain a receiver.
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Boy I hope the Republicans are warming up a Reagan...
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Boy I hope the Republicans are warming up a Reagan...
Nope. Just more McLame.
Palin seems to be gearing up in spite of the pantywaists in the Republican Party.
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Nope. Just more McLame.
Palin seems to be gearing up in spite of the pantywaists in the Republican Party.
I hope she watches her back - I know I will be.
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Almost as much fun as, say, requiring every firearm in the country to be listed on their owner's tax return? I sense that the 'Reich really doesn't think we're serious out here.
There'd be a few tens of millions of new 'criminals' created if that BS ever got out of committee.
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Yeah, I remember all the gossip when word got out that Morris Cody had done Becky in the backseat of his old '49 Ford coupe. Talk about spots and splashes.
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We as Americans cannot depend upon another Ronald Reagan. If Reagan in his prime were around today, He'd be pissed. Reagan would also say that it is up to us
to stand up and be active as Americans in expressing and defending our God given rights. Like Reagan in New Hampshire when running for his first term as President in 1980. "I paid for this microphone!" We have paid for this country, and I , for one, am not going quietly into that good night. I want the USA for my kids and grand kids to have better opportunities than I did in growing up, not to be enslaved financially or spiritually to the State.
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Now is the time to learn Mores code and buy a cheap sender and receiver. These things have tanked in value and people are too lazy to learn code until now.
They can jump into our PC but Morris code can be sent from the back of ones car.
Is that the code we have to use during "Marshall Law"? :-)
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Did somebody say ham? :yum:
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Lord Zero clearly has legions of moonbats that sit around thinking of stupid shit like this. :censored:
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Lord Zero clearly has legions of moonbats that sit around thinking of stupid shit like this. :censored:
Or alternately, it could be the one efficiently run government run operation in all of the Federal Gummint, and just have two or three on a PC scanning the DUmp for brilliant ideas.
Nah. Government is completely incapable of being efficient. :evillaugh:
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Why go through the legislative process? If the Zero is up to no good, he doesn't need a law--he would just "do it" anyway and say "screw the legal pretense"...
Who is going to argue with a bunch of heavily armed people dressed in US Military uniforms when they invade and take over the AT&T communications node?
Anyone remember the movie "Seven Days in May" from the early 60's?
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I know AT&T already had cooperated with DHS under President Bush, and it wouldn't take much to get the major ISPs to fall in line. Then there are all the people who have land lines that use VOIP technology. Their phones would go dead.
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Is that the code we have to use during "Marshall Law"? :-)
I'm gonna use a system I learned from watching a TV show in the 70s.
There's no way those damn democrats will know what I'm saying in Mork's Code.
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Imagine the moonbats' reaction if a Republican senator had introduced such a bill under President Bush.
My first thought too. Does it pass the "....if Bush did it" sniff test ? :uhsure:
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This issue is on fire today, all over the place. This would, of course, suspend the Constitution.
Everywhere except the DUmp apparently. I could not any mention of it over there.
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Everywhere except the DUmp apparently. I could not any mention of it over there.
Oh, I did find a thread, it's in the Editorials forum. The DUmmies don't seem to like this idea much either.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x475618
Plus a fresh one just flared up in GD
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6415431
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I have three thoughts on this nonsense...
1. I'd like to see him try.
2. Law of Unintended Consequences (next Republican president just may shoot down DU...but then I'll lose a good source of comedy relief.
3. It's just a bad idea.
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Did somebody say ham? :yum:
:rofl: I luv you!
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Hi Guys,
Something is coming down the pike and I am not sure what it is. Beck is saying the same thing and when it happens the government is going to snap the door shut and before you know it the Constitution and our freedom is gone. Following is a blurb from a news service I subscribe to that comes from Switzerland.
From (I deleted mans name):"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £´s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something´ is about to happen, unknown re a date-just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."
The following day I got one that is written by another person outside of the country with connections in Argentiana and it said something about "Bank holiday" or "exchange controls" rumors. At this point one can only speculate what it might be.
Now, tying this idea of being able to shut down the internet means we would all be isolated with only the state controlled Pravda media to listen to. It would seem to me that the democrat senators better wise up quickly and realize their party has been hijacked by a bunch of radical communists who want to destroy our society...and yes one of the czars even mentioned aparthaid...which means they just come in and take your stuff cause they deserve it an you don't cause you are evil.....
Minute I read that about the internet I queried Ham Radio and learned you can get a license without having to learn the Morse code which makes it a whole lot easier. If it does hit the fan the Ham Radio operators will really get a workout trying to figure out what is really going on. Don't know what one of those gadgets cost, but even having the ability to listen in would help.
God, I hope the CIA pulls an end run on BO like they did Bush and start leaking some of the stuff the public needs to know.
In the meantime I guess all we can do is continue to hammer away at our representatives.
regards,
5412
PS: We will prevail because I still believe in my heart that most Americans respect the constitution and their freedom. Push them too hard and they damn sure will push back.
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This is really starting to go badly.
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Imagine the moonbats' reaction if a Republican senator had introduced such a bill under President Bush.
According to the DUmbasses, we did....
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Hi Guys,
Something is coming down the pike and I am not sure what it is. Beck is saying the same thing and when it happens the government is going to snap the door shut and before you know it the Constitution and our freedom is gone. Following is a blurb from a news service I subscribe to that comes from Switzerland.
From (I deleted mans name):"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £´s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something´ is about to happen, unknown re a date-just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."
The following day I got one that is written by another person outside of the country with connections in Argentiana and it said something about "Bank holiday" or "exchange controls" rumors. At this point one can only speculate what it might be.
Now, tying this idea of being able to shut down the internet means we would all be isolated with only the state controlled Pravda media to listen to. It would seem to me that the democrat senators better wise up quickly and realize their party has been hijacked by a bunch of radical communists who want to destroy our society...and yes one of the czars even mentioned aparthaid...which means they just come in and take your stuff cause they deserve it an you don't cause you are evil.....
Minute I read that about the internet I queried Ham Radio and learned you can get a license without having to learn the Morse code which makes it a whole lot easier. If it does hit the fan the Ham Radio operators will really get a workout trying to figure out what is really going on. Don't know what one of those gadgets cost, but even having the ability to listen in would help.
God, I hope the CIA pulls an end run on BO like they did Bush and start leaking some of the stuff the public needs to know.
In the meantime I guess all we can do is continue to hammer away at our representatives.
regards,
5412
PS: We will prevail because I still believe in my heart that most Americans respect the constitution and their freedom. Push them too hard and they damn sure will push back.
My point got lost somewhere about the code. One can build their own set like people built CB radios back in the 1950 era. It is easier to triangulate and find a voice Ham Station then one that uses the code. The same principal applies to licensing the set as it does fire arms. Once registered police can come for them. I would not get a license for a ham set for that reason.
The History Chanel had a great story on how in times of need people communicated at long distances.-----Drums, smoke signals, flag bearers, semaphores etc. The one that caught my attention was about WW2 and how the enemy's were listening in to our radios and knew our language and the code.
Someone who was brilliant decided to train a whole tribe of American Indians who spoke their own language as radio men.
They were sent to the South Pacific and drove the Japanese nuts. These 50 or so men and boys helped us win that war and are real HEROS.
We all know that something just ain't right here, We are beginning to think odd thoughts on self preservation and ways to prepare for the worse scenario --funny what ever is to happen will be something we don't expect or have even thought of.
I believe this is intentional, we are led to believe a flood is coming piling up the sand bags when it fact it is an earthquake and we are totally unprepared for that.
That Son of a bitch G. Beck has me like a time traveler going to live in Berlin in 1932, Had the party in Germany had the techknowledge we have today, the ability to microchip humans and what not, I may well have a tattoo on my arm for having brown eyes.
American tribes men as radio operaters.
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From (I deleted mans name):"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £´s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something´ is about to happen, unknown re a date-just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."
As best as I can track it down - the source for this was originally a publication called the "Harry Schultz Letter".
It's a subscription only service but some of their examples are open.
Ron has received huge grassroot $- support. A vote for Ron is not a wasted vote because all the other candidates are useless, in reform terms. Whereas, a Paul vote is USEFUL to educate the public & broadcast to all that citizens want REAL reform, in every
area of govt. Everyone I know is sending a contribution to Ron. They “know†he can’t win (?), but they want to say they are “mad as hell†at the system & all the participants.
http://www.hsletter.com/NewsContent_RonPaul.htm
Just FWIW.
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My point got lost somewhere about the code. One can build their own set like people built CB radios back in the 1950 era. It is easier to triangulate and find a voice Ham Station then one that uses the code. The same principal applies to licensing the set as it does fire arms. Once registered police can come for them. I would not get a license for a ham set for that reason.
The History Chanel had a great story on how in times of need people communicated at long distances.-----Drums, smoke signals, flag bearers, semaphores etc. The one that caught my attention was about WW2 and how the enemy's were listening in to our radios and knew our language and the code.
Someone who was brilliant decided to train a whole tribe of American Indians who spoke their own language as radio men.
They were sent to the South Pacific and drove the Japanese nuts. These 50 or so men and boys helped us win that war and are real HEROS.
We all know that something just ain't right here, We are beginning to think odd thoughts on self preservation and ways to prepare for the worse scenario --funny what ever is to happen will be something we don't expect or have even thought of.
I believe this is intentional, we are led to believe a flood is coming piling up the sand bags when it fact it is an earthquake and we are totally unprepared for that.
That Son of a bitch G. Beck has me like a time traveler going to live in Berlin in 1932, Had the party in Germany had the techknowledge we have today, the ability to microchip humans and what not, I may well have a tattoo on my arm for having brown eyes.
American tribes men as radio operaters.
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Hi,
You might find this interesting. It would seem the indian tribes are ahead of us in many ways. I am sure you have heard all about the lousy health care system in Canada and how it is illegal to buy good healthcare in Canada outside of the government system. The indian tribes in Canada are looking in to building heallth care facilities on sovereign tribal land. I called a friend of mine in FL who is a member of the Seminole tribe and learned they too are discussing it.
I do know one thing, should it all hit the fan, the indians will survive, they still know how.
This particular person I know is a former sheriff, has the largest weapons collection I have ever seen, is one of the best hunters and fishermen I know. They will never come for his guns, he will just move them back to the tribal land which is in close proximity.
regards,
5412
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As best as I can track it down - the source for this was originally a publication called the "Harry Schultz Letter".
It's a subscription only service but some of their examples are open.
Just FWIW.
Hi,
I deleted the name but you are correct.
Nice bit of research,
5412
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(http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/082909.jpg)
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2009/08/29/#005336
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I don't know much about communications but I wouldn't want to be listen into by an EA-6B.EA-18 or an EC-135 and have them announce their precence by sending something my way just because I used a Ham radio set.
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This issue is on fire today, all over the place. This would, of course, suspend the Constitution.
Hit the nail on the head. Its the foot in the door. Emergency powers to silence speech means Radio and Fox as well.
What ever emergency Lord O is planning, the freedoms he suspends will never be given back.
eternal martial law. The liberal police state.
We know what he wants. The only question is what pseudo emergency will O use to make his dreams come true?
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It is easier to triangulate and find a voice Ham Station then one that uses the code.
Completely untrue.
You obviously don't know jack shit about how easy it is to DF (directionally find) any radio transmitter.
Please try to refrain from speaking about stuff that you are so damn ignorant of.
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Completely untrue.
You obviously don't know jack shit about how easy it is to DF (directionally find) any radio transmitter.
Please try to refrain from speaking about stuff that you are so damn ignorant of.
Well excuse me as YOU get all huffy. darn give a gal a break here. Back in the 1970's I received my first and only CB license. The government form I had to fill out was 4 or 5 pages long. One year after I received that license the rules changed and q-cards were not needed and slowly but surely people stopped sending them out---Except for the Hams.
So we went to all the radio shows, I became fascinated with the expensive set ups the Hams had. I watched their games and told myself that one day I would have a radio station.
My Scanner picks up code but is run so fast it all sounds the same.
Every thing I know about Ham information is 30+ years old, young man. I did know the code when my boys were young but once they got their badge in Boy Scouts we went on to other things and if you don't use it you loose it.
I appreach your correcting me I am here to learn, not to get kicked because times have changed behind my back
Respectfully, Vesta.
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Vesta, just because you have a CB radio license doesn't mean jack shit. I, too, had one of those in the 70s. I was also a radio tech at the time. Communications/Navigation/ Identification/ Radar. A CB radio license doesn't require a person to know ANYTHING about radio, theory, repair, radio transmissions or reception. All it did was give permission to operate a CB radio. One STILL had to take their CB radio set to a licensed tech to get it worked on. My FCC Tech License # is : PG-GB-014810 which allows me to operate and repair any radio transmitter. (Receivers don't require a license to own/ operate.) And, in today's world, one doesn't even NEED a license to operate a CB radio.
Furthermore, rich t is correct. It's quite apparent that you know little or nothing about radio signal detection. If one is so inclined, all they actually need is a carrier wave (that's a transmission with out voice or data. Basically an unmodulated transmission) to triangulate on. It doesn't even need to be a constant carrier wave transmission. So, unless one is transmitting encrypted and in burst transmissions, they can be easily found. Hell, many of the Government equipment CAN track down who has a home computer network , wireless or not. By the way, it IS illegal to transmit in an encrypted code for the civilian population. The governmental agencies are exempted from this requirement to transmit in plain Morse code or plain language. One civilian exemption is a home network. Those can be encrypted, but the transmitted RF power isn't high enough to be received more than a 1/10th mile away under normal circumstances. There are TONS of rules and it wouldn't be prudent to get into THAT discussion here due to time constraints and the fact that I don't care to play teacher for a couple of years.
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^ Actually the public is allowed to own and operate one communication device that can be encripted, and those are satphones such as the "Iridium System", encryption in these systems is allowed as their use is typically international, and subject to monitoring by hostile governments.
doc
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We were discussing the typical HAM radio operators rules, Doc.
§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
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(4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification;
Satphones don't fall under the same regs as radio operators. Same with 802.11 encrypted transmissions over a wireless network. If I recall, there are also home cordless telephone systems that have some sort of encryption capability.
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We were discussing the typical HAM radio operators rules, Doc.
Satphones don't fall under the same regs as radio operators. Same with 802.11 encrypted transmissions over a wireless network. If I recall, there are also home cordless telephone systems that have some sort of encryption capability.
True....all ham transmissions must be "in the clear", however, some HF digital modes are not easily received without special equipment (typically computers and special software). Among my other usless creds, I have an "Extra" class ham license, as well as a "First Phone" commercial license......with a couple of endorsements......
doc
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True....all ham transmissions must be "in the clear", however, some HF digital modes are not easily received without special equipment (typically computers and special software). Among my other usless creds, I have an "Extra" class ham license, as well as a "First Phone" commercial license......with a couple of endorsements......
doc
LOL........ they DO seem to be "useless" creds any more. I can't find a job for the life of me in this area of the country and the soon to be ex has ruined any chance of a defense contractor type job for me.
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LOL........ they DO seem to be "useless" creds any more. I can't find a job for the life of me in this area of the country and the soon to be ex has ruined any chance of a defense contractor type job for me.
I thought the same thing fifteen years ago, with an obsolete PhD, and an engineering background in powerplants and aviation electronics, but soon discovered that there were always jobs for engineering types in the TV business, which is where I went, until I finally retired in April.
You might want to take a look at that.......their stuff is always breaking, and they are always looking for folks to fix it.......its the one area where "youth" has a negative value......the older and more experienced that you are, the more you can make.
Little known fact is that the Chief Engineer for a TV station is nearly always the highest paid employee in the place......in a top-ten market, it is not uncommon to see salaries in the $200,000 and up range with bonuses and perks.
doc
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Sounds like our backgrounds are similar, except for the PhD. I was an aviation electronics tech for quite a while. I'm also a motorhead and have helped with jet engines while I was active duty. Part of the "Team Concept" I experienced. Worked General Aviation post Navy, then on to Cable TV, where I ultimately became a head end tech.
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Vesta, just because you have a CB radio license doesn't mean jack shit. I, too, had one of those in the 70s. I was also a radio tech at the time. Communications/Navigation/ Identification/ Radar. A CB radio license doesn't require a person to know ANYTHING about radio, theory, repair, radio transmissions or reception. All it did was give permission to operate a CB radio. One STILL had to take their CB radio set to a licensed tech to get it worked on. My FCC Tech License # is : PG-GB-014810 which allows me to operate and repair any radio transmitter. (Receivers don't require a license to own/ operate.) And, in today's world, one doesn't even NEED a license to operate a CB radio.
Furthermore, rich t is correct. It's quite apparent that you know little or nothing about radio signal detection. If one is so inclined, all they actually need is a carrier wave (that's a transmission with out voice or data. Basically an unmodulated transmission) to triangulate on. It doesn't even need to be a constant carrier wave transmission. So, unless one is transmitting encrypted and in burst transmissions, they can be easily found. Hell, many of the Government equipment CAN track down who has a home computer network , wireless or not. By the way, it IS illegal to transmit in an encrypted code for the civilian population. The governmental agencies are exempted from this requirement to transmit in plain Morse code or plain language. One civilian exemption is a home network. Those can be encrypted, but the transmitted RF power isn't high enough to be received more than a 1/10th mile away under normal circumstances. There are TONS of rules and it wouldn't be prudent to get into THAT discussion here due to time constraints and the fact that I don't care to play teacher for a couple of years.
Well Thor, for me it was a huge deal in that time in my life.
It was akin to the toaster that my grandmother got for a wedding present back in 1918. There was even a write up we have today in the paoer telling of the Army base and divison had all chipped in to buy them a toaster as a wedding present. Fancy that Demming New Mexico and grand ma got an electric toaster before most people had flush toilets.
Much like the very first color TV that had to be degaussed, last one I had was 1969 or so.
Can't tell you what my feelings were getting my very first PC. The darn thing came with 100 pounds of books and instructions---1991. Everyone in the family had a go at setting it up and we crashed that machine 3 times a day for weeks.
The college kids that worked the customer service soon recognised our voices yelling for help and some did hang up on us a time or too.
The boys that spent their weekends raising hell and riding their hogs soon began to drive me nuts, they stopped going anywhere at night after work.
I told them finally after putting up with that crap to buy their own PC. I never got to use it, they fought over the time: as back then we only got about 20 hours a month free on AOL and had to pay for extra time.
Yupo Thor these new inventions are a big deal to some of us who never imagined they could learn how to use The Microwave, remote controlls and learning how to tape programs when you are not at home---WOW to run anything but a push mower, Amazing.
Most of us woman watched our dads put penny's behind the house fuses or slugs----Our dads were not that well educated in electronics and I don't believe my grandparents on either side had an electrical box with no fuses.
Got to remember that even today on a ship yard it is unusual to see a woman sand blasting
or lugging the heavy tanks of gas to do a welding job on the other side of the yard.
I don't just except new concepts in life as "Oh well" I am fascinated by the new ideas and want to jump right in over my head into buying toys I cannot afford, Cameras I forget how to work, cell phones that I seldom use so I forget my phone number and cannot top off after 6 months.
Big deal for a woman alone thousands of miles from family with kids to be able to call home base and talk with the babysitter, to call for help if the car breaks down or ask directions from the truckers when lost in a strange place.
This was a god send to us wives alone 6-10 months of the year, it inpowered us, gave us a sence of securiety and made life so much more secure then Our mothers lifes when our fathers left for war.
I still have one in my car, I should check it to see if it even works. Cell phones are freat for calling a friend when problems arise, but the CB has dozens of people listening in ready to help.
I ran into trouble right after leaving Californa with 4 kids 2 in diapers and a Saint Bernard riding shot gun. Into Az. on Rt 10 I got hung up 5 times with road work and detours for miles.
I was freaking lost no cell phone to call for help and I was running out of gas and patientce.
Dog was droowling 2 gallons of slime an hour, I had no chance to change diapers so the car stunk so bad our eyes ran. Some where in the heat of 120 degrees and no air conditioning I managed to enlist the 10 year old to look for trucks with Maine plates.
She found one headed east and i managed to contact him on the truckers channel. The trucker had brought out a load of Lobster to Long Beach and was carrying aratchokes back to boston. What the hell are aratichokes, I had never seen one before.
We had 3 or 4 truckers tracking us, leading us to truck stops and cheap motels.
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Of course "The One" wants to control the internet and other forms of commincation. ...when the revolution comes, he don't want you freepers bragging to each other about how well it's going.
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Of course "The One" wants to control the internet and other forms of communications. ...when the revolution comes, he don't want you freepers bragging to each other about how well it's going.
Trying to understand why the government allowed this to be publicized in the first place.
Naturally there will be sponsored sites on government owned company's that most people never hear of.
I have AOL and comcast, those can be shut down and I am without the ability to reach out.
will be forced to rely on some radio and news papers.
Those in strategic positions will be able to communicate on the govern Com.
Oh yes one Com. that anyone can access will be left open, the site of mis-comunication and propaganda.
Forget learning Spanish, I am back to attempting to re learn Morris code and You know how the kids text on their phones, that may be a good way to learn code. See you later is cul that's a start just 3 letters.
Down to the hobby shop and a cheap kit on how to build your own radio. I saw one at radio Shack years ago, it was under $90.00.
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Vesta, just because you have a CB radio license doesn't mean jack shit. I, too, had one of those in the 70s. I was also a radio tech at the time. Communications/Navigation/ Identification/ Radar. A CB radio license doesn't require a person to know ANYTHING about radio, theory, repair, radio transmissions or reception. All it did was give permission to operate a CB radio. One STILL had to take their CB radio set to a licensed tech to get it worked on. My FCC Tech License # is : PG-GB-014810 which allows me to operate and repair any radio transmitter. (Receivers don't require a license to own/ operate.) And, in today's world, one doesn't even NEED a license to operate a CB radio.
Furthermore, rich t is correct. It's quite apparent that you know little or nothing about radio signal detection. If one is so inclined, all they actually need is a carrier wave (that's a transmission with out voice or data. Basically an unmodulated transmission) to triangulate on. It doesn't even need to be a constant carrier wave transmission. So, unless one is transmitting encrypted and in burst transmissions, they can be easily found. Hell, many of the Government equipment CAN track down who has a home computer network , wireless or not. By the way, it IS illegal to transmit in an encrypted code for the civilian population. The governmental agencies are exempted from this requirement to transmit in plain Morse code or plain language. One civilian exemption is a home network. Those can be encrypted, but the transmitted RF power isn't high enough to be received more than a 1/10th mile away under normal circumstances. There are TONS of rules and it wouldn't be prudent to get into THAT discussion here due to time constraints and the fact that I don't care to play teacher for a couple of years.
Wether you like it or not Thor, you are a teacher of a multitude of subjects for me. Now for everyone else here they may not need to learn anything as they have it, but I am sure that there are more then just me that learns from all of you.
I cannot just retire, tend the roses and read romance novels----\
So I went on a 6 hour journey via internet to see what ham is all about in today's world.
No 1# There are thousands of sites devoted to ham radio, selling, buying and free information on how to pass all tests.
2# One site for $18,00 will send one a CD of code put to music---like the Alphabet song for kids.
What is this that I out of no where become interested in code ----why are others also wanting to learn the craft-language of code. I don't even want to get into why fads take off and the people that decide to do something that they never thought of before now, they march with glazed eyes to know or be part of the fad.
I would love to hear code on the drums as a back up to music---I remember when a popular song was recorded with the drum beat of a healthy heart as it approached sexual climax.
As I mentioned before the code the kids and adults use to text on cell phones is a darn good way to start.
Going to practice with 2 drum sticks I caught, one at a Rush Concert and one from Molly Hatchet Riot. most fun----I am not your usual grand mother, no cookies in the oven but I have the Doors blasting in the family room.
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Trying to understand why the government allowed this to be publicized in the first place.
They don't have a choice. It's a matter of record. Then again, they don't have to make it easy to find, either, and that's a lot of what happened in this case.
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So I went on a 6 hour journey via internet to see what ham is all about in today's world.
No 1# There are thousands of sites devoted to ham radio, selling, buying and free information on how to pass all tests.
2# One site for $18,00 will send one a CD of code put to music---like the Alphabet song for kids.
What is this that I out of no where become interested in code ----why are others also wanting to learn the craft-language of code. I don't even want to get into why fads take off and the people that decide to do something that they never thought of before now, they march with glazed eyes to know or be part of the fad.
Vesta, using morse code for amateur radio is no longer a requirement for getting a license.
Hams still use morse for a variety of reasons, mostly having to do with tradition .......morse transmissions date to the very first radio transmissions by Marconi and other pioneers in "wireless", and for a number of decades it was the ONLY method of communication via radio..........up until the first transatlantic cable was installed, virtually all communications between the US and Europe was accomplished via "radiogram" in morse, and it continued in use by both the military and merchant marine up until about ten years ago, primarily as a "back-up" to voice radio communications.
The other reason morse (CW) is used in the ham community today is that is the mode that uses the smallest amount of "bandwidth", and therefore on crowded ham bands it is useful over long distances, as it can, many times, be heard and understood when interference (atmospheric and otherwise) renders voice communications nearly useless.
And finally, transmitters for morse communications tend to be very simple devices that are easy for someone that is new to radio comminucations to build, or manage........it is unlikely that you will gain a useful proficiency in morse using drums or any other form of musical instrument........
doc
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Vesta, using morse code for amateur radio is no longer a requirement for getting a license.
Hams still use morse for a variety of reasons, mostly having to do with tradition .......morse transmissions date to the very first radio transmissions by Marconi and other pioneers in "wireless", and for a number of decades it was the ONLY method of communication via radio..........up until the first transatlantic cable was installed, virtually all communications between the US and Europe was accomplished via "radiogram" in morse, and it continued in use by both the military and merchant marine up until about ten years ago, primarily as a "back-up" to voice radio communications.
The other reason morse (CW) is used in the ham community today is that is the mode that uses the smallest amount of "bandwidth", and therefore on crowded ham bands it is useful over long distances, as it can, many times, be heard and understood when interference (atmospheric and otherwise) renders voice communications nearly useless.
And finally, transmitters for morse communications tend to be very simple devices that are easy for someone that is new to radio comminucations to build, or manage........it is unlikely that you will gain a useful proficiency in morse using drums or any other form of musical instrument........
doc
Doc, what about cost, once licenced I imagine the voice transmission senders are a bit Pricey.
I have seen in Museums the gear needed to send and receive code in the military in the first world war. Then I have run across the sets used in the second world war at freeken flee markets.
Then there are the photos of Hams with voice transmission with a wall full of some sort of expensive stuff lining their radio pit.
You have been great help to me Doc, lots to consider here. price, time and a need to meet up with other people like me that can keep the enthusiasm going. People with a goal to learn something new.
Thanks Doc.
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Move over, McGruff. The trench-coated canine mascot of the National Crime Prevention Council has some youthful competition in the battle for the hearts and minds of America's children. Now in virtual training on the website of the National Security Agency are the CryptoKids, the code-makers and code-breakers of America's future.
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The NSA, based at Fort Meade, Maryland, has seven CryptoKids in its trademarked menagerie, including Crypto Cat, versed in Navajo, the language of the storied code talkers of World War II; Decipher Dog, a cryptanalyst who learned the fine points of broadband networking from his stepmother, an NSA network engineer; T. Top, a turtle who knows how to design and build computers; and a language analyst named Rosetta Stone.
This Toys 'R' Us approach to spying is nothing new for the fifteen agencies that comprise the "intelligence community" of the US government, including the CIA, the NSA and the National Reconnaissance Office. In 1997 President Bill Clinton mandated that all government agencies set aside virtual space on their websites for child-friendly material. Today, these sites serve as recruiting portals for America's youth.
The CryptoKids were born in February 2004 within the bowels of Fort Meade and, according to Kwanza Gipson of the NSA public affairs office, were designed "strictly" to reflect only the official information contained within the main website. Of course, since the official stance of the agency concerning the recent warrantless wiretapping scandal has been to deny the program's illegality and to treat domestic spying as business as usual, this strict adherence to the office line conveniently recuses the CryptoKids from having to discuss the issue with children. After all, if General Michael Hayden insists that the program is not "domestic spying," as he did at the National Press Club recently, then what more could Sergeant Sam possibly add to the debate?
Moreover, as Gipson points out, "The site offers parents a safe, online environment in which their children can learn and play." Parents can be sure that, of all the voices on the Internet, at least the CryptoKids won't offer underage visitors any controversial information that could lead to a warrantless wiretap. A similar mentality prevails at other kid-friendly government sites.
At the National Reconnaissance Office's NRO Junior site, for example, an animated extra-terrestrial named Whirly Lizard shares stories--first-person accounts ostensibly written by anonymous children but eerily recited by adult voices. With all the sophistication of a Saturday-morning cartoon, these simplistic anecdotes are designed to boost patriotism and an interest in outer space. In a cyber-chapter titled "Proud to Be an American," an unidentified young author explains, "I have my teachers, my friends, my pet, my toys, my home, and my family. I have God to watch me. I love America. I love being me." Corey Corona, an NRO character named for the Eisenhower-era spy satellite, hosts a series of games including Catch, in which the player pilots a cargo plane and tries to intercept various robotic figures falling from outer space.
Cathy Bowers, a spokeswoman for the NRO, based just south of Washington-Dulles International Airport in Chantilly, Virginia, hearkens back to the educational push of the Sputnik era to explain the purpose of the NRO kids' site. "We need to have children understand the importance of space," she says, "to get them interested in careers in space, intelligence and government. We call space the 'Ultimate Vantage Point.'"
Sparking an interest in the cosmos for a target audience of kindergarteners, first- and second graders shouldn't be difficult. As Bowers points out, kids are already excited by outer space, especially by aliens. The twist here is translating that purely exploratory interest into a desire to spy on friends and neighbors. And ultimately, Bowers says, the website is about security. "It's all about protection," she says.
When asked about the warrantless surveillance that NRO-designed and -operated satellites enable, Bowers toes the intelligence community's line. "We stand behind the President," she says. "Everyone's trying to protect everyone else. Some degree of secrecy is required."
Back at CryptoKids virtual HQ, with a toothy, sugar-cube smile and a nineteenth-century electro-transmitter, an eagle named CSS Sam presides over Operation: Dit-Dah, one of the NSA's games for aspiring young snoops and narcs. Sam teaches Morse code and challenges players to decrypt various words and phrases. For those skeptical about the applicability of 160-year-old Morse code in the Internet age, Sam reminds them in a "fun fact" that "in the movie Independence Day, when all other ways of communicating had been destroyed, the survivors of the alien attack used Morse code to collaborate a counter-attack plan."
It's not just government snoop organizations that blur fiction and fact, imagination and reality on their child-friendly sites. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms website, for example, features the essay "I'm a Bomb Dog Now!"--a first-canine account by Truman, an explosives-sniffing Labrador retriever who works with ATF Special Agent Joe Harrington in New England. Truman's job is essential to national security, he says, because "sometimes people do bad things to try to hurt others. I can help stop that from happening, or, if it has already happened, I can find evidence to help law enforcement officers find out who did it so that the person can never do it again."
With cartoons, games and anthropomorphic animals, America's intelligence community is ensuring security for the next generation. How safe do you feel?
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