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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on August 25, 2009, 01:40:48 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6387043
Oh my.
But I looked, and no mountain man primitive at this bonfire.
Craftsman (427 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:24 PM
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Seniors Angry Over No Social Security Increase
For the lunchtime crowd at the White Plains Senior Center, it was very unappetizing news.
"We work all our lives, and now they want to cut back on the little bit they give us? I don't think that's right," said Mercedes Leis.
Every year since 1975, social security recipients have received a cost of living adjustment, known as a COLA.
"Each year that we get that little raise, that's a big help to us seniors, it really is," said Joan Narracci.
http://wcbstv.com/local/social.security.cut.2.1142197.h...
One's really suprised the mountain man primitive didn't light this bonfire.
rox63 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:25 PM
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1. This was known last year, when the Idiot Son was still in power
I hope they realize that Obama is not to blame for this.
YOY (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Oh you know they will.
THey'll totally try and blame O for this.
Well, who's been in the White House the past seven months?
Whose followers promised us instant miracles, beginning January 20, 2009?
Craftsman (427 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. This happened on O's watch therefore to many it is his
Meet the third rail of politics.
bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. Obama gave them a one time $250 payment as part of the stimulus
Any senior citizen who is bitching about the stimulus is welcome to send the money back.
Craftsman (427 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. So that money is long spent and forgotten by many
YOY (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:26 PM
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2. I wonder how many of them realize that it's a SOCIALIST program.
billyclem (8 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:27 PM
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27. Not really a socialist program...
Remember, each of us has 6.2% of our gross income deducted as our SS contribution and our employer must match that 6.2%. So for our working life 12.4% of our gross income is going into the SS fund. I am three years away from being able to collect SS and I doubt that I will live long enough to recoup my 6.2%. This is for the basic SS. When SSI, the other programs that are funded from the 12.4% contribution, and congressional borrowing are considered, then we can see how the entire fund is in trouble.
It's in trouble because of freeloaders like the subway cat, too.
SoCalNative (766 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:27 PM
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4. Hey I didn't get a raise this year either
it's the economy, stupid.
And at least THEY GET SS..it likely will not be around in another 20 years or so when I'm ready to collect.
A Fat Che in the punch bowl pops up:
closeupready (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:33 PM
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29. I have some good news for you: Not only will it be around in 20 years, it will be around in 100 years!
Romulox (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:30 PM
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6. Ummm, "Cost of Living Allowance". It's not a merit raise.
valerief (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:04 PM
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16. Congress ALWAYS gets theirs, though.
Craftsman (427 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. And Granny knows it
One issue with having as many seats at the democrats have is they are now responsible for all that happens. The good or the bad.
Yep, the Democrats are responsible. No disagreement here.
Romulox (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:21 PM
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21. We little worker bees (you know, the ones who pay for it all) don't. That's for sure.
Man, the Rolex watch primitive sounds like a sour ass, doesn't he?
DJ13 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:31 PM
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7. Its complete bullcrap
How can the government KNOW what the rate of inflation will be for the rest of 2009?
Then lets talk about the mind reading it takes to claim they will not see any inflation for all of 2010 as well.
Once again our government is willing to save some money off the misery of the old and the disabled, and it makes me sick.
Another Fat Che in the punch bowl plops up:
NEOhiodemocrat (367 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:33 PM
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10. My husband won't get the raise
And that is fine with me. With unemployment so high and economic problems I am just happy we will be getting it! But if a good health care progam passes I won't be happy, I'll be estatic! We are at that age where health care is the real problem for our finances.
KansDem (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:50 PM
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15. I'm not getting a raise this year, either....
But our CEO gave himself something like a 22% increase in his pay last summer. He must have saw this all coming and wanted to get it while the getting was good...
KansDem (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:33 PM
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11. Hey! Unnecessary wars based on lies and bailouts for the wealthiest are expensive!
Not to mention that many oligarchs have squirreled their ill-gotten swag in overseas accounts to avoid paying taxes.
You know, the very taxes that could go to...COLAs.
mediaman007 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:34 PM
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12. This is the way its going to be. The COLA doesn't include volatile items like gasoline and food. That's why our inflation rate is so low. I think that they look at things like automobile prices, refrigerators and televisions.
(The stuff you buy everyday! Sarcasm!)
A third Fat Che in the punch bowl plops up, stripping the chance for the other primitives to be angry:
Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:34 PM
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13. They are being ridiculous.
I'm on SSDI, and also the sole caregiver for my 90 year old dad. His total income is SS. Neither of us is upset.
It makes sense in a recession. No inflation = no COLA.
gratuitous (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. I think many are upset
But most realize the whys and wherefores; doesn't mean they can't still be upset. Of course, it doesn't make for good copy to have someone say, "It makes sense in a recession." Far more interesting as far as the popular media is concerned to have someone complaining about the injustice of it all and casting about for a scapegoat (read Democrats).
Of course. Who's in the White House, and who runs Congress?
Craftsman (427 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Many people vote their wallets.
Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:13 PM
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17. If anyone cares for some facts
Here is the actual full deal. No COLA would be a difficulty anyway, as the way they judge inflation is not reality based, but the fact is some will see a decrease in their net, for the first time ever in history, because of George W Bush's Part D drug plan.
The other elements of Medicare are never allowed to raise premiums more than the COLA raises benefits, so no raise, no increase. GW Bush and his crowd insisted that part D be allowed to raise premiums no matter what the COLA does, so this year, because of GW Bush, some Medicare beneficiaries will see their Part D premiums rise, while their benefit remains flat, and they will have less to spend each month because of that.
That is 100% Bushco policy, one that could be changed and just might be. It is wrong, out of step with the rest of Medicare's alphabet of parts, and the fact that such increase are allowed will be a shock to lots of people. It is important to know why this is happening, and the why is GW Bush and Republican controlled Congress.
Craftsman (427 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:15 PM
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19. Many will not care
Democrats control, the House, the Senate, and the Whitehouse.
Uh-huh.
Man, there's a lot of Fat Ches in this punch bowl, plopping up to the top, to remind the angry primitives to be grateful, rather than angry:
southernyankeebelle (474 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:22 PM
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24. Let me tell you old people shut the **** up. I am going to apply to get early retirement in January. I will be 62 yrs old. They can't take that away from me. I know its hard out there but you aren't missing something you haven't gotten. We have to be willing to make scarifics too. There are young families out there struggling. You that are doing ok can stay home a day or two. Invite your friends and play cards or bingo or have sex, whatever. Am sick of hearing you complain. You get many advantages now that you are old. I no people in my rural town over 80 don't have to pay property tax. You get senior citizen discounts to alot of places. Don't crying it could be worse. You could lose it all. Than where will you be? If you are republicans forget your children, hell they don't even want people to have health care public option. So shut up. Get over it.
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29. I have some good news for you: Not only will it be around in 20 years, it will be around in 100 years!
Boy, I need some of that shit you're smokin'! They ONLY way SS will be around is if Bam Bam PRINTS the ****in' money!
Oh, I got a 5% raise just last month! Ya know why? Because of my PERFORMANCE! Something you DUmbasses are incapable of! You think as long as you "show up", the boss owes you a stinkin' raise!
And southernyankeebelle, ESAD! I have been paying into SS my whole frikkin' life! Don't tell me or anyone else my age to just shut up and take it in the ass like you imply. Assholes like you are what is wrong with this country! Believe it or not SS OWES the ****in' money to our seniors! Not the other way around! If your bretheren hadn't stole the money from the SS fund, we wouldn't have to worry about it, ya ****in' SKANK!
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Notice a common theme among them, coach? Again, not ONE of them a "donating member". Go figure.
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:25 PM
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1. This was known last year, when the Idiot Son was still in power
I hope they realize that Obama is not to blame for this.
1) Bush tried to reform SS and you idiots wouldn't let him
2) Congress writes the budget, not idiot sons, and your people have run the show since 2006 which pre-dates last year.
3) Yes, you are to blame for it because all you have to do is stop spending trillions on bogus stimulus plans so you can cut grandma in for an extra can of Alpo.
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Notice a common theme among them, coach? Again, not ONE of them a "donating member". Go figure.
Guess my mole won't look on this thread for a gold star donation. :-)
I must say dummies seem to drool out of both sides of the mouth don't they.
[In a related thread here> (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6383886) they take up a theme similar to Terri Schiavo, going on to excoriate Mediscare and Mediscam.
Just a quick sample of dummy think.
demodonkey (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 12:22 AM
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27. Nursing homes kick EVERYBODY out at some point, unless...
...you are a millionaire and can afford $7,000-10,000 per month for their mostly understaffed, for-profit "care"... OR you can "spend down" everything your family ever worked for and throw yourself as a pauper on the mercy of Medicaid which is a degrading and demeaning process not only for the patient but for his or her entire family.
WE DO NOT TAKE CARE OF THE DISABLED -- OF ANY AGE -- PROPERLY AND HUMANELY IN THIS COUNTRY.
This is a national disgrace. We are a nation of barbarians.
Um dick head, Medicaid is National Health Insurance, Single Payer. Got that? It sucks. GTF over yourself. I am not a barbarian!
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Guess my mole won't look on this thread for a gold star donation. :-)
I must say dummies seem to drool out of both sides of the mouth don't they.
[In a related thread here> (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6383886) they take up a theme similar to Terri Schiavo, going on to excoriate Mediscare and Mediscam.
Just a quick sample of dummy think.
Um dick head, Medicaid is National Health Insurance, Single Payer. Got that? It sucks. GTF over yourself. I am not a barbarian!
I am!!!!!! I'd like nothing better than to be on a "Death Panel" for DUmmies!
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I am!!!!!! I'd like nothing better than to be on a "Death Panel" for DUmmies!
I'd bribe the XO for that duty assignment, too.
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I am!!!!!! I'd like nothing better than to be on a "Death Panel" for DUmmies!
I think that D6 and you, AR, and I, and BadCat, Coach (maybe), Lord Undies, Cindie, Schade, jen, etc., would probably come close to fratricide for the opportunity to be on one of those for DUmb****s. (If I missed anyone, I'm operating at PC--Pre-Caffiene levels.)
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I think that D6 and you, AR, and I, and BadCat, Coach (maybe), Lord Undies, Cindie, Schade, jen, etc., would probably come close to fratricide for the opportunity to be on one of those for DUmb****s. (If I missed anyone, I'm operating at PC--Pre-Caffiene levels.)
You got that right! Only good could come from the diminished numbers of moonbats in this country!
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The report sad no COLA for 2009-2012. With MediCare premiums going up many oldsters will see benefits reduced.
I am sure they will all be as grateful as the DUmmies. NOT.
Oh BTW, last year there was a 5.8% increase
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The report sad no COLA for 2009-2012. With MediCare premiums going up many oldsters will see benefits reduced.
I am sure they will all be as grateful as the DUmmies. NOT.
Oh BTW, last year there was a 5.8% increase
It doesn't matter. Under 0BamaCare, none of them will live long enough to vote next time.
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2) Congress writes the budget, not idiot sons, and your people have run the show since 2006 which pre-dates last year.
Beat me to it.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1, of the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."
The primitives should know their Constitution before they go spewing garbage.
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Oh the DUmmies "think" they are following what the Constitution says by this one sentence.
to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."
The key word here is welfare! That opens the door for FREE stuff of which none of them would turn down and now expect on a regular basis.
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I think that D6 and you, AR, and I, and BadCat, Coach (maybe), Lord Undies, Cindie, Schade, jen, etc., would probably come close to fratricide for the opportunity to be on one of those for DUmb****s. (If I missed anyone, I'm operating at PC--Pre-Caffiene levels.)
I'd like to be on one of those "death panels"....
My basic premise would be, if you didn't pay any taxes during your miserable life, then you get no healthcare during your miserable death....
Pretty simple, really....
BTW, BSS, you are forgiven for operating at less than optimal levels.... :II:
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Bluenorthwest
The other elements of Medicare are never allowed to raise premiums more than the COLA raises benefits, so no raise, no increase. GW Bush and his crowd insisted that part D be allowed to raise premiums no matter what the COLA does, so this year, because of GW Bush, some Medicare beneficiaries will see their Part D premiums rise, while their benefit remains flat, and they will have less to spend each month because of that.
Then their gripe is with their State Insurance Commissioner, not the Fed and certainly not Bush. The Insurance Commissioner in each State approves which Prescription Drug Plan's (PCP) can be offered in their State. If they don't want a PCP company to participate because they don't tie their rate increases to COLA's, then they don't have to let them in.
zeitgeist
Um dick head, Medicaid is National Health Insurance, Single Payer.
Medicare is run by the Fed. Medicaid is an individual State administered program. Slight difference, but same principle.
What the demodonkey primitive is talking about is the Medicaid program that is set up for those so poor they can't pay the deductables and premiums required by Medicare Parts A & B. To say that it is a "degrading and demeaning process" is completely stupid, though. If you're going to say that it's "degrading and demeaning," then to remain consistent one must say the whole social safety net in this country is "degrading and demeaning."
What this idiot demodonkey primitive wants is for everyone to be covered but there not to be any deductables or premiums or co-pays, which means people will flood the doctors' offices for any stupid reason because it'll costs them just as much to go as it does not to go.
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southernyankeebelle (474 posts) Tue Aug-25-09 01:22 PM
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24. Let me tell you old people shut the **** up.
What a sweet and lady-like thing to say!
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What a sweet and lady-like thing to say!
Well, it is for southernyankeebelle's....and then they look around and say, "Why the F*** is everyone staring at me?"... :rotf:
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Can we do what the Dems do and call this a cut in SS? After all every time the GOP didn't increase Medicare or whatever by as much as they wanted they said it was being cut.
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Can we do what the Dems do and call this a cut in SS? After all every time the GOP didn't increase Medicare or whatever by as much as they wanted they said it was being cut.
Sure. I don't think it's a tactic they've ever considered a defense for. They just do it reflexively, without ever thinking. Just like everything else they do.
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Can we do what the Dems do and call this a cut in SS? After all every time the GOP didn't increase Medicare or whatever by as much as they wanted they said it was being cut.
But in reality it is a cut in their monthly spending dollars. No raise in SS + an increase in Medicare costs = a cut.
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But in reality it is a cut in their monthly spending dollars. No raise in SS + an increase in Medicare costs = a cut.
Seniors will pay more for medicare and Presc. drug plan next year. So, their medicare check will be cut.