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The Bar => Sports => Topic started by: franksolich on August 25, 2009, 08:36:22 AM
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/collegesports/2009716125_grid23.html
It's an Associated Press story, so I'll just itemize the top five:
01 Florida
02 Texas
03 Oklahoma
04 Southern California
05 Alabama
It doesn't look to be an exciting season this year, with all these nouveau teams dominating the top twenty-five.
Oregon? Boise State?
It'll probably be another generation before the traditional football powers dominate again, and one hopes to live long enough to see it, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Southern California, and UCLA ruling the gridiron, as is the natural order of things.
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I love/hate the pre-season poll. It stirs the football passions and gets people talking. :cheersmate:
However, I think I've come around to the view that no rankings (that matter) should come out until everyone has played at least 3 games.
Go Buckeye's
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Pre-season polls are meaningless. I am glad to see Texas as number 2 though.
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I love/hate the pre-season poll. It stirs the football passions and gets people talking. :cheersmate:
However, I think I've come around to the view that no rankings (that matter) should come out until everyone has played at least 3 games.
Go Buckeyes
Days since Michigan’s last victory over Ohio State in football: 2103
This season there are 11 meaningless pre-season exhibitions, and then after the Michigan game, a meaningless post-season contest.
It's the same every year.
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Frank, being the fan of history that he is, should know Ole Miss's history with Johnny Vaught. We're ranked #8. First time since Archie.
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Pre-season polls are meaningless. I am glad to see Texas as number 2 though.
I guess meaningless is the right word there. However, it's a nice jumping point to good fight (civil conversaton? nah) about the best game in the land. For example, "how far will USC fall when they lose in Columbus?" Or, "Texas seems high to me". (j/k) I would not put anyone ahead of Florida right now but the Longhorns are pretty close and have a better QB.
Darn fine time of year on the way. I better start working out my drinking arm! :cheersmate:
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Pre-season polls are meaningless. I am glad to see Texas as number 2 though.
They better pray they don't make it to the NC and play an SEC team. The reason their QBs are so great is because the Big 12's defenses suck ass.
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Days since Michigan’s last victory over Ohio State in football: 2103
This season there are 11 meaningless pre-season exhibitions, and then after the Michigan game, a meaningless post-season contest.
It's the same every year.
There is something to be said for that feeling for sure, LOL. Have to say though, I had to stand in front of my $400 second row seat (friend bought the tickets actually but still) and watch Vince Young beat us in the last minute at home while Tressel flip flopped QB's all game (ahhg!) and watch again as nearly the same thing happened (Colt this time) again in Arizona last year in a place I used to call ColumbusWest. (Home of tOSU's national champs and a bowl win over ND under Tressel)
sigh
I'm starting to resent Texas a bit, lol.
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GO GATORS!!!!!
OTOH, Miss State doesn't stand a dog's chance (pun intended).
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So, since Frank never ANSWERED, .....do you think Ole Miss is considered "nouveau" Frank?
Enquiring Minds wanna know. :uhsure:
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So, since Frank never ANSWERED, .....do you think Ole Miss is considered "nouveau" Frank?
Enquiring Minds wanna know. :uhsure:
Sorry, sir; I've been considerably distracted, in case no one's noticed.
Anyway.
Yeah, I would consider Mississippi and Mississippi State nouveau.
Alabama set the standard for southern teams a long time ago, and thus far, only Alabama has ever come close to that standard, although in recent decades, due to the unfortunate demise of Paul "Bear" Bryant, Alabama's slipped.
Remember, I'm judging in terms of history and tradition.
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Sorry, sir; I've been considerably distracted, in case no one's noticed.
Anyway.
Yeah, I would consider Mississippi and Mississippi State nouveau.
Alabama set the standard for southern teams a long time ago, and thus far, only Alabama has ever come close to that standard, although in recent decades, due to the unfortunate demise of Paul "Bear" Bryant, Alabama's slipped.
Remember, I'm judging in terms of history and tradition.
You honestly have no recollection of Mississippi's success in the 50's and 60's with Johnny Vaught (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Vaught)?
Vaught is currently the only coach in Rebels history to win an SEC football championship. Three of his teams, in 1959, 1960, and 1962, won shares of the national championship. His 1960 team received the Grantland Rice trophy from the FWAA. He took Ole Miss to 18 bowl games, winning 10 times including five victories in the Sugar Bowl. Only two coaches held a winning record against Vaught, one being Paul "Bear" Bryant, with a record of 4 wins, 3 losses, and 1 tie against Vaught, and the other being General Robert Neyland holding a 3 win to two loss advantage.
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frank, Johnny Vaught and Bear Bryant were neck-in-neck every year when both were coaching. The top teams in the SEC in the 50's and 60's were Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. In fact, my parents lived in Grenada, MS after WW2 and knew Jake Gibbs and his parents very well, Gibbs being the star QB at Ole Miss during the late 50's who went on to play catcher for the NY Yankees for many years.
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frank, Johnny Vaught and Bear Bryant were neck-in-neck every year when both were coaching. The top teams in the SEC in the 50's and 60's were Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. In fact, my parents lived in Grenada, MS after WW2 and knew Jake Gibbs and his parents very well, Gibbs being the star QB at Ole Miss during the late 50's who went on to play catcher for the NY Yankees for many years.
It's a regional and cultural thing, much like people in the northeast tend to be provincial; if one asks people in the Great Plains states to name the greatest football program in the south, invariably they will say "Alabama," despite that Alabama hasn't been lately, what it used to be.
Of course, much of this is due to the elite media, for whom football programs in the eastern states, and on the west coast, are the only football programs in America. No rational person would deny that the south has been treated tawdrily by the elite media, and consistently underrated, if not utterly ignored.
And we are all influenced by the elite media, voluntarily or involuntarily.
One tries to recognize that bias and work around it, but consistently Alabama comes up as the greatest in the south. Louisiana State, and in older times Georgia, have always been too erratic to be considered "great," if "consistency" is figured into the equation (and I myself do consider consistency).
Florida State is way too new in college football, and Miami, despite having once fielded the greatest team in the history of college football (the team of the 2001 season), in the long term seems just a flash in the pan. (Remember, I am thinking in terms of decades, generations, not just the recent television season.)
Some years ago, I was surprised to learn that Tennessee has a long and rich history in college football; one learns.
Part of the problem with perceiving the greatest college football programs is that for much of the 20th century (and there was much more to the twentieth century than after 1970 or after 1990), it appears southern teams tended to play each other, while teams from the east, midwest, and west, played all over the map, thus their greater exposure in the news media at the time, and in subsequent history books.
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It's a regional and cultural thing, much like people in the northeast tend to be provincial; if one asks people in the Great Plains states to name the greatest football program in the south, invariably they will say "Alabama," despite that Alabama hasn't been lately, what it used to be.
I would agree that to my age group (40-60) that Alabama is still remembered as the team from the South.
As far as the teams you named earlier (Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Southern California, and UCLA), half of them are doing just fine. Michigan, ND, Nebraska, and UCLA are fielding pretty good teams, and at least 3 of those 4 will be back soon (ND is the question mark; they need to decide what they wanna do, either hold to academic standards or lower them and get the big, dumb, talented football players like they used to get). But I kinda like the more schools having good teams, so the desire to only have a handful of good college teams again won't ever get my vote.
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