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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on August 21, 2009, 09:09:30 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6360967
Oh my.
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dtotire (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:00 AM
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PAPER: Canadians visit U.S. to get care; Many go to Michigan hospitals... Hospitals in border citie
This has been known for some time; Canadians who live near American cities can get obtain treatment in an American hospital. It saves the Canadians from duplicating facilities which are available nearby across the border. The American hospitals are compensated by the Provincial Ministry of Health and cost the recipient nothing. Both benefit. This has been distorted by wingnuts as a failure of the single-payer system.
PAPER: Canadians visit U.S. to get care; Many go to Michigan hospitals...
Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.
Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care for heart, imaging tests, bariatric and other services provide access to some services not immediately available in the province, said ministry spokesman David Jensen.
The agreements show how a country with a national care system -- a proposal not part of the health care changes under discussion in Congress -- copes with demand for care with U.S. partnerships, rather than building new facilities.
http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/... /
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:09 AM
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1. Duplicating services? The article seems to suggest the services are provided HERE because they aren't available there, or aren't available in a timely manner.
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:19 AM
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6. I think you have to understand how fluid the Michigan / Canadian border is. I know because I grew up there and, while growing up, we really didn't think of each other as "Canadians" or "Americans". It appears to me that the Canadians of made a totally pragmatic (and NAFTA-ish) decision to not spend 10s of millions of dollars to build facilities and infrastructures that are a mere hop, skip, and jump away.
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:22 AM
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7. A direct quote from the OP..
""It saves the Canadians from duplicating facilities which are available nearby across the border. ""
In other words the services are not wastefully duplicated in Canada. If Canadians were not to come across the border for these services then there would have to be more Canadian facilities.
I suspect that the Canadian government has negotiated very good terms for its citizens to use US facilities, something the US government will not do for its citizens.
SidDithers (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:26 AM
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9. Those services are available in Canada...but in some Canadian border citites, it makes more sense to get them at the closest facility, rather than the closest Canadian facility.
From Windsor, Detroit is much more convenient than getting the same specialized treatment at the nearest Canadian major medical research facilities in London (~1½ hours away), Hamilton (2½ hours) or Toronto (3½ hours).
L0oniX (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:10 AM
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2. freep ???? Hmmmmm
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marmar (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:12 AM
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3. Freep is the website of the Detroit Free Press.
A typically MSM paper.
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:14 AM
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4. So their country takes care of their health no matter where they are, even in another country.
I say Lucky Canadians, who have a country that actually cares about it's citizens.
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:15 AM
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5. how many thousands of people in detroit have no health insurance...if we had a national health service the hospitals in detroit would not have the room for canadians.......
pretty dam sick..the Canadian government "pays" it`s citizens to go to the usa...while our government allows over 50 million to fend for themselves
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texasleo (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:24 AM
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8. But Canada is a communist country. Why are they paying for this care in America?
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newfie11 (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:56 AM
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10. As someone that worked in Petosky MI I can tell you what I saw.
This was in the late 80's and the Canadian government worked out a deal with the hospital (one of many) to do their excess open heart patients. These patients paid nothing, they liked their health care and everyone I asked said they would never trade it for what we had/have.
Yeah, yeah.
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Tell you what DUmmies pretend its the 60s and you are dodging the draft pack your things and move to the great white north.
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I do believe a DUmmie could run thru a minefield and not step on a single one.
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newfie11 (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:56 AM
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10. As someone that worked in Petosky MI I can tell you what I saw.
This was in the late 80's and the Canadian government worked out a deal with the hospital (one of many) to do their excess open heart patients. These patients paid nothing, they liked their health care and everyone I asked said they would never trade it for what we had/have.
yeah, I don't want to trade away the US healthcare that Canada couldn't provide for its own people, either.
I can see why these idiots was free medicine. Their brains are obviously hypoxic.
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So I'm guessing, being there's such a close relationship, Americans just hop on over to Canada for treatment too? Especially those without insurance, since the Canadians are so much more compassionate and all?
Cindie
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So Canada is outsourcing part of their health care to the USA. To me that is a good indication that we not only have better health care but less expensive otherwise they would be doing it at home. And if the left gets their way our system will be drug down to the level of countries like Canada plus our taxes will increase to match them.
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The fact is that a city the size of Buffalo has more healthcare available than a very large Canadian city. Its hard to imagine but its true.
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So Canada is outsourcing part of their health care to the USA. To me that is a good indication that we not only have better health care but less expensive otherwise they would be doing it at home. And if the left gets their way our system will be drug down to the level of countries like Canada plus our taxes will increase to match them.
And we'll be even worse off, because unlike the Canadians at present, we won't have a US on the border with a good healthcare system to go to to make up the shortfall. Neither will the Canadians, which will then bring home to them the deficiencies of their system.
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So I'm guessing, being there's such a close relationship, Americans just hop on over to Canada for treatment too? Especially those without insurance, since the Canadians are so much more compassionate and all?
Cindie
37 years ago or so, my cousin was born in Canada because the Canadian OB-GYN was cheaper than the US one. Somehow, I don't think that terribly common now.
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Almost ALL the DUmmies focus on this line from their fellow DUmmy:
dtotire (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-21-09 09:00 AM
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It saves the Canadians from duplicating facilities which are available nearby across the border.
Rather than this line FROM THE ARTICLE:
Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.
http://freep.com/article/...820/BUSINESS06/908200420/... /
It's the visual equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and screeching away teh truth.